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Postby zeuzzz » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:14 pm

Hillary has no idea what shes doing, she's horrible. I don't want to blow more wind into Trumps sails but honestly she's just awful. I swear most of the people that voted for her against Bernie in the primaries were republicans; because they knew Hillary was more likely to lose against Trump than Sanders. She has such a long record of corruption and general malfeasance that it was impossible from the start that she could win. As all this history was inevitably going to be dredged up by the opposition when the more polite and courteous Sanders was down and out.

The USA is now {!#%@}. Good luck to my various compatriots that live there, but the momentum of things now in place as I have gauged from social media and the genral interwebz make me very wary that this will end well.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:36 pm


Nice link. Opens with: "Many Americans think Clinton is a congenital liar—that's because of the right and the media, not her."

Well.........it seems to me E-Mail Gate is a good example of Clintons ENDLESS stupidly guilty and obvious LYING to avoid taking any responsibility for CLEAR VIOLATIONS OF LAW. EVERYTHING SHE HAS SAID about her private server and National Security is wrong===a lie=== stupidly and obviously so. She thinks she is being clever by "not remembering" or parsing what is means.

Its more a flat out admission she has been caught violating the law for her own personal desires: like covering up the quid pro quos going on with the Foundation.

Lausten: how else does someone leave the Whitehouse "in debt" and then 8 years later be worth 100 Million Dollars and controlling various slush funds worth so much more? Hint: don't say "hard work in the people's interest."
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Postby TJrandom » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:42 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:

Nice link. Opens with: "Many Americans think Clinton is a congenital liar—that's because of the right and the media, not her."

Well.........it seems to me E-Mail Gate is a good example of Clintons ENDLESS stupidly guilty and obvious LYING to avoid taking any responsibility for CLEAR VIOLATIONS OF LAW. EVERYTHING SHE HAS SAID about her private server and National Security is wrong===a lie=== stupidly and obviously so. She thinks she is being clever by "not remembering" or parsing what is means.

Its more a flat out admission she has been caught violating the law for her own personal desires: like covering up the quid pro quos going on with the Foundation.

Lausten: how else does someone leave the Whitehouse "in debt" and then 8 years later be worth 100 Million Dollars and controlling various slush funds worth so much more? Hint: don't say "hard work in the people's interest."


IMO - pure BS.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:09 pm

TJ--I respect you, so I wonder what part is BS?

I certainly agree there is a vast right wing conspiracy denigrating EVERYTHING Clinton or Obama even tries to do....but that does not mean that email gate is not valid on its own. Are you allowing the general hostility to Clinton to blind you to her obvious faults on this issue?
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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Venerable Kwan Tam Woo » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:01 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:You seriously think that Vietnam and Iraq were legitimate military ventures??
The American and Australian governments, thought so.


So what??


[color=#000080]You are also probably totally unaware that Australia was simultaneously fighting together with the UK in Malaya and on our own in Indonesia, (which we won) at the same time. Considering that Australia won in Malaya and Indonesia using its own anti-communist insurgency techniques and intelligence, the USA military still has a lot to learn from us more experienced smaller nations. :D


Well good for you. What do you want, a(nother) pat on the head?

Now, are you still standing with your peer, Trump, demanding that Australia contributes to the USA's nuclear deterrence cost, yet denied any say in how these things are used? Has it occurred to you that Australia has done very well without nuclear weapons and is actually friendly with your enemies, China and Russia?


>SIGH< We've already been over this. You sure as {!#%@} weren't friendly with them during the Cold War, and it strains credulity to say that you are too friendly with them even today when a) you slavishly fall in line with their chief rival (US) time and time again, and b) a leader of your country threatens to "shirtfront" Putin.

Just out of interest, when is your beloved Trump going to cancel military aid to Israel and start charging them, like he will for Australia? He hasn't been exactly clear on that, has he? Can you think of a reason for that? :lol:


I don't know, why don't you ask him. I can think of several reasons for it, none of which render the notion getting other allies to pull their military weight invalid.

When President Trump asks for a contribution, I think Australia will pass on that request. You can keep your nukes.


Fine, pass on it, whatever. We'll just "pass" on your next request for military aid.
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Postby TJrandom » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:08 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:TJ--I respect you, so I wonder what part is BS?

I certainly agree there is a vast right wing conspiracy denigrating EVERYTHING Clinton or Obama even tries to do....but that does not mean that email gate is not valid on its own. Are you allowing the general hostility to Clinton to blind you to her obvious faults on this issue?


E-mail gate? Really - FOX all the way.

Hillary obviously made a big mistake in deciding to use a private email server – just as had Bush, and now it seems even Powel. But where does the `gate` come from? The FBI did not find a lie - since they would have arrested her, or at least pointed it out if they had.

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Postby Venerable Kwan Tam Woo » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:10 am

ElectricMonk wrote:my source: all news outlets that are not Breitbart.

VKTW, all my points have sources, but I seriously doubt it would make any difference to you.
If anyone else wants me to source my points, I will - but you haven't demonstrated the ability to absorb facts you don't like even once.


I want you to cite your sources precisely because I want to read and scrutinise what they have to say. But whatever, if you insist on copping out at the expense of your own credibility, then who am I to stop you?
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Re: Trump's supporters

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Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:You seriously think that Vietnam and Iraq were legitimate military ventures??
Matthew Ellard wrote:The American and Australian governments, thought so.
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:So what??
Well it means the governments voted in, were at war and your personal right wing opinions on an internet forum remain worthless. No one voted you in, did they? :lol:


Matthew Ellard wrote:You are also probably totally unaware that Australia was simultaneously fighting together with the UK in Malaya and on our own in Indonesia, (which we won) at the same time. Considering that Australia won in Malaya and Indonesia using its own anti-communist insurgency techniques and intelligence, the USA military still has a lot to learn from us more experienced smaller nations. :D
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Well good for you. What do you want, a(nother) pat on the head?
No, That the USA still requires our intelligence due to its own intelligence incompetence, is reward enough. We like helping our clumsy friends.



Matthew Ellard wrote: Now, are you still standing with your peer, Trump, demanding that Australia contributes to the USA's nuclear deterrence cost, yet denied any say in how these things are used? Has it occurred to you that Australia has done very well without nuclear weapons and is actually friendly with your enemies, China and Russia?
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: We've already been over this. You sure as {!#%@} weren't friendly with them during the Cold War, and it strains credulity to say that you are too friendly with them even today when a) you slavishly fall in line with their chief rival (US) time and time again, and b) a leader of your country threatens to "shirtfront" Putin.
Firstly we were always friendly with Russia during the cold war, as we are a socialist unionised country. You have never been at war with Russia. Secondly The "shirt fronter" was ousted in less than a year in office, for offending Russia and being a right wing idiot. Thirdly China is our biggest trading partner. You seem to be very out of date.


Matthew Ellard wrote: Just out of interest, when is your beloved Trump going to cancel military aid to Israel and start charging them, like he will for Australia? He hasn't been exactly clear on that, has he? Can you think of a reason for that? :lol:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:I don't know, why don't you ask him.
Good for you. Vote for a bloke without a clue what his policies are! You're a conservative American right? :lol:


Matthew Ellard wrote:When President Trump asks for a contribution, I think Australia will pass on that request. You can keep your nukes.
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Fine, pass on it, whatever. We'll just "pass" on your next request for military aid.
You don't give Australia military aid. :lol:

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Re: Trump's supporters

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Matthew Ellard wrote:Just out of interest, when is your beloved Trump going to cancel military aid to Israel and start charging them, like he will for Australia? :lol:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: I don't know, why don't you ask him.
I'm starting to realise that you don't actually know anything. :lol:

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Trump was pretty upset that his daughter converted to Judaism when she married - not much love lost between him and Israel.
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Brick for prezident!

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Campane slogan : Better Than Trump, not Hillary.

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In a hastily convened press conference the candidate sat mostly silent, trusting Jon Stark, his campaign manager, to answer all questions. Although I arrived dead last behind AP, Reuters, all the major news media, I was still able to work my way up to the front row. My recorder died, so the following is condensed from memory and barely legible notes scribbled on my arm. My apologies to the questioners for not naming you personally.

Q: Did you enter this race simply to mock Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton? NBC

A: “It wishes to stay above the petty bickering and name calling that has characterized this election cycle from the start. The American people should expect a civil and meaningful debate on the issues. Democracy relies on voters being well informed on the positions, ideology and motivations of the candidates. ”

Q: Why do you think you are better than Trump? Reuters

A: “It has never been so much as accused of any crimes, shady deals or con games, let alone indicted and sued. It’s involvement in construction is not marred by a long record of lawsuits by unpaid contractors and investors left holding the bag when projects went sour. It humbly and diligently supported every structure it was ever a part of. When contrasted against the virtually nonstop credit grabbing boasts Mr. Trump is famous for, there’s no room for doubt about who is better suited to run this great nation.”

Q: How would you handle the Middle East crisis, Putin, illegal immigration? Chicago Tribune

A: ”A brick to the head has always worked well for the candidate. It has sometimes been called into action, dilivering clear, unequivicated messages thru windows. And if the American People do actually decide they want a wall on the southern border, this candidate can offer far more than vague pie-in-the-sky promises.”

Q: Your campaign slogan says ‘not Hillary’ but referes to Donald Trump by his surname. That could be construed as a slight against Mrs. Clinton and women in general. What is your position on gender equality, equal pay legislation, abortion, etc.? ABC

A: ”The candidate has always been gender nuetral, 100% equal rights...” (Mr. Stark leans over to consult in whispers with The Brick. I’m not sure, but I think I may have heard something from the candidate.) “Even in this age of complex gender identity, All residents of this country should not have to consider this at all when persuing their employment and any interactions with the government. This is one of the cornerstones of America. However imperfectly enacted in it’s history, we should all work to make it so. The candidate will consider this in all decisions, no matter how big or small.

Q: Hillary Clinton has secretly been against bricks for her entire public career. Her anti-brick stance is well documented. Why dont you align yourself with the Trump campaign since Trump has created more jobs for bricks than probably anybody else on Earth? Fox (pretty sure it was Bill O’Rielly)

A: (another lean-in with The Brick) ”The Brick says you made all that up. You should slink out of here quickly and rethink your position in this world. That goes for you personally as well as the entire Fox ‘news’ organization. “

Q: I like what I’m hearing so far. You have clearly established that you ar better than Trump, but why do you believe you’d be a better president than Hillary Clinton? CBS

A: “The candidate will not enter office with a 1,000 ft. wall of Republican opposition blocking his agenda. Its initiatives will not carry the philosophical and historical baggage of party labels that always drag the best ideas down to oblivion. Republicans, Democrats and independents will be free to consider them for their merits, thus leading the country to a new age of prosperity and happiness.”

Q: Its mid September already. Why did you wait so long? AP

A: “The Brick entered this race specificly due to the fact that things had degenerated so far that its own existence was imperilled by the rise of stupidity as a political force. Yes, even a common brick feels the situation has gotten so bad that its near zero personal requirements as a resident of this country were not being met. With Trump having a credible path to the Whitehouse, the chances of being broken in half or completely crushed was unacceptable.”

— I ran out of arm space soon after that, but it was nearly over anyway. A few questions about The Bricks eligibility and history came up (over 35 years old, made in Texas, resident of Williams Park Illinois, served in the army in engineering, saw action as a hurled projectile in Desert Storm).

All things considered, I am impressed. The campaign slogan is 100% accurate. The Brick comes across as an earnest, concerned citizen who is stepping up for all the right reasons. If elected, I believe it will do its level best for our country.
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Yeah, sure, made in Texas -- by illegal immigrants!

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I'm eagerly awaiting the presidental debates between Clinton, Trump and Mr. M.
I think he can bring a lot of gravitas to the debate very quickly.
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Lausten: how else does someone leave the Whitehouse "in debt" and then 8 years later be worth 100 Million Dollars and controlling various slush funds worth so much more? Hint: don't say "hard work in the people's interest."

I'd love to have one of those, "you don't know what you're talking about" "no, you can't read", "where did you make that up?" "it's obvious", kind of back and forth non-discussions, but I'm kinda busy these days.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:32 pm

Lausten wrote:.........but I'm kinda busy these days.


Not to busy to post: nothing. by direct implication... an admission of defeat. Which through lack of character, you cannot admit to.

So like .... a silly person. You should have higher standards for yourself.

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Lausten wrote:.........but I'm kinda busy these days.


Not to busy to post: nothing. by direct implication... an admission of defeat. Which through lack of character, you cannot admit to.

So like .... a silly person. You should have higher standards for yourself.

Be direct, be honest: learn and grow.

Okay, I'm done clipping my fingernails and playing with the cat now, so I have some time to respond to you. Sez you. Nana nana boo boo.

When Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, friends of her high-powered husband sought favors–and nothing much happened. She met with some of them. Aides sent follow-up emails. Later, as a private citizen, she earned a lot of money giving paid speeches.
These are the main takeaways from years of digging by Clinton’s worst enemies, armed with subpoenas, court orders and the investigative power of the FBI.


But, internet guy says he knows it's worse than that.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:18 pm

Lausten wrote:]When Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, friends of her high-powered husband sought favors–and nothing much happened. She met with some of them. Aides sent follow-up emails. Later, as a private citizen, she earned a lot of money giving paid speeches.
These are the main takeaways from years of digging by Clinton’s worst enemies, armed with subpoenas, court orders and the investigative power of the FBI.[/url]

But, internet guy says he knows it's worse than that.


I think this "is" very powerful evidence ... I fear mostly of the incompetent vast right wing conspiracy.... but its good evidence of lack of evidence that common sense says is probative. The vast incompetent Right Wing conspiracy to Get the Clintons: good cover for the skillful manipulation of political patronage, greed, and corruption, lost in the ebb and flow of so called: "politics as usual."

Still so many things are obvious. Currently: the email gate. Setting up the server and moving documents from the secure gubment system to her private system was and is illegal and many people have gone to jail for much less. Comy presents a detailed bill of indictment even with the flimsy investigation that was done.... but no prosecution.

See how it works? Politics is a nest of self dealing vipers..... and they pass no rules to stop it.... all part of the corruption if you base your personal view of morality on what is legal.

Just .... look. Then vote for Hillary. She's the least worst one there is.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:See how it works?

I see how your mind works, which is to say it doesn't work. It takes in information but does nothing to process it. Evidence for your incompetence because it lacks evidence that you are doing anything but responding however you would have responded regardless of what is put in front of you. "Bobbo as usual". Flagrant overuse of the word "many". Millions spent, hours of work, but it's "flimsy". It didn't prove what you wanted it to, so it's wrong. Other than proving to you what you already knew anyway.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:12 pm

L: so why aren't you making $100 Million in 8years?
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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:23 pm

wow - never realized something so obvious - why pay an ex politician absurd money to give a lecture / speech ?

because if they tried to hide it ; it would be obvious payment for favors .

do the ridiculous , in everyone's face - pay ridiculous money for a worthless speech ; and nobody can say anything .

brilliant :burn:
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:37 pm

Its not the ex politicians that are the issue as much as CURRENT politicians. There's the rub. But yeah....thank you.... FINALLY: common sense. The reason Hillary won't provide a transcript is: it would show just how empty the speech was. Better to demonstrate balloon animals or origami. Something with practical application.
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Postby Lausten » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:48 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:L: so why aren't you making $100 Million in 8years?

Law school involved too much reading.
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Postby TJrandom » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:36 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Its not the ex politicians that are the issue as much as CURRENT politicians. There's the rub. But yeah....thank you.... FINALLY: common sense. The reason Hillary won't provide a transcript is: it would show just how empty the speech was. Better to demonstrate balloon animals or origami. Something with practical application.


I bet you could get her to give you a copy of that speach if you paid her speach fee - same rate as The Dark Side.

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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:10 pm

trump supporters are deplorable people
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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby ElectricMonk » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:37 pm

What you can tell is that most Trump supporters haven't done any due diligence on their candidate.
Most Clinton supporters are well aware of her shortcomings, but all that many trumpers know is what he told them.
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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Gord » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:47 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:trump supporters are deplorable people

Hillary supporters are deportable people. :heh:
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Gord wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:trump supporters are deplorable people

Hillary supporters are deportable people. :heh:


Hillary supporters can be found in every country around the world; Trump supporters in just a few.

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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Nat47 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:45 pm

Mark Cuban's argument is honestly the most compelling thing I've heard. Especially because I really respect him.

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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Venerable Kwan Tam Woo » Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:31 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:You seriously think that Vietnam and Iraq were legitimate military ventures??
Matthew Ellard wrote:The American and Australian governments, thought so.
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:So what??
Well it means the governments voted in, were at war and your personal right wing opinions on an internet forum remain worthless. No one voted you in, did they? :lol:


No, it means that the US Government was in the wrong, and that your Government was both cowardly and in the wrong for following the US in like a little lapdog.


Matthew Ellard wrote:You are also probably totally unaware that Australia was simultaneously fighting together with the UK in Malaya and on our own in Indonesia, (which we won) at the same time. Considering that Australia won in Malaya and Indonesia using its own anti-communist insurgency techniques and intelligence, the USA military still has a lot to learn from us more experienced smaller nations. :D
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Well good for you. What do you want, a(nother) pat on the head?
No, That the USA still requires our intelligence due to its own intelligence incompetence, is reward enough. We like helping our clumsy friends.


Require your intelligence for what?? To violently suppress popular uprisings in other countries or in our own country?



Matthew Ellard wrote: Now, are you still standing with your peer, Trump, demanding that Australia contributes to the USA's nuclear deterrence cost, yet denied any say in how these things are used? Has it occurred to you that Australia has done very well without nuclear weapons and is actually friendly with your enemies, China and Russia?
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: We've already been over this. You sure as {!#%@} weren't friendly with them during the Cold War, and it strains credulity to say that you are too friendly with them even today when a) you slavishly fall in line with their chief rival (US) time and time again, and b) a leader of your country threatens to "shirtfront" Putin.
Firstly we were always friendly with Russia during the cold war, as we are a socialist unionised country. You have never been at war with Russia. Secondly The "shirt fronter" was ousted in less than a year in office, for offending Russia and being a right wing idiot. Thirdly China is our biggest trading partner. You seem to be very out of date.


Always friendly with Russia during the Cold War?! :lol: Yeah, I'm sure they were real impressed by your involvement in the ANZUS treaty and the British nuclear tests! So what if China is (now) your biggest trading partner?? The major powers of Europe were all major trading partners with one and other at the outbreak of WW1, it didn't stop them from trying to tear each other to shreds and then going back for seconds a couple of decades later. China's values are profoundly alien to your own, and the only reason they bother trading with you is because it's a more cost-effective way to pillage your resources than military invasion. Tell me, has your current Prime Muppet offered a formal apology on behalf of the Australian people for the threat his predecessor made against Putin??


Matthew Ellard wrote: Just out of interest, when is your beloved Trump going to cancel military aid to Israel and start charging them, like he will for Australia? He hasn't been exactly clear on that, has he? Can you think of a reason for that? :lol:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:I don't know, why don't you ask him.
Good for you. Vote for a bloke without a clue what his policies are! You're a conservative American right? :lol:


Not knowing - or particularly caring - how a candidate will deal with one particular aspect of America's foreign policy does not mean that I have "no clue what his policies are". Get a grip.

Matthew Ellard wrote:When President Trump asks for a contribution, I think Australia will pass on that request. You can keep your nukes.
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Fine, pass on it, whatever. We'll just "pass" on your next request for military aid.
You don't give Australia military aid. :lol:


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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:00 am

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: No, it means that the US Government was in the wrong, and that your Government was both cowardly and in the wrong for following the US in like a little lapdog.
Your'e an idiot. Australia was fighting the communist insurgents in Indonesia and Malaysia before the Americans entered Vietnam. Australia left Vietnam three years before the Americans, because we had already won the Sth East Asian insurgency campaign. We are hardly "lapdogs'.

You really don't know anything do you?


Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Require your intelligence for what?? To violently suppress popular uprisings in other countries or in our own country?
No, to stop the communist insurgency in Sth East Asia.

The UN still uses our intelligence and experienced fighting skills, that's why they asked us to fight Indonesia and separate East Timor in 2002. No Yankees required. (They keep getting into messes, poor clumsy chaps) Please pay attention.



Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:China's values are profoundly alien to your own,
You idiot. Last week you didn't know Australia was socialist and unionised and friends with Russia and later China during the cold war. That the British tested nukes in Australia does not mean we are at war with Russia and China does it? Our prime enemy was, and still is, Indonesia.

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:...and the only reason they bother trading with you is because it's a more cost-effective way to pillage your resources than military invasion.
Remember the GFC? I don't. We didn't have one iin Australia, because we were trading with China. We have a trade surplus with China. The USA has a trade deficit with China. You really don't know much about the world do you?


Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Tell me, has your current Prime Muppet offered a formal apology on behalf of the Australian people for the threat his predecessor made against Putin??
Yes he did, through Julie Bishop, the foreign minister, after Abbott was ousted.


Matthew Ellard wrote: Just out of interest, when is your beloved Trump going to cancel military aid to Israel and start charging them, like he will for Australia?
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:I don't know, why don't you ask him.
Matthew Ellard wrote: Good for you. Vote for a bloke without a clue what his policies are! You're a conservative American right? :lol:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Not knowing - or particularly caring - how a candidate will deal with one particular aspect of America's foreign policy does not mean that I have "no clue what his policies are".
Just say it. "I didn't know that. Thank you for informing me Mr Ellard" .

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Did you really think I'd be impressed by your false equivocation?
No. I think you are some sort of conservative idiot from the USA, without a clue about the real world.

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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Venerable Kwan Tam Woo » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:03 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: No, it means that the US Government was in the wrong, and that your Government was both cowardly and in the wrong for following the US in like a little lapdog.
Your'e an idiot. Australia was fighting the communist insurgents in Indonesia and Malaysia before the Americans entered Vietnam. Australia left Vietnam three years before the Americans, because we had already won the Sth East Asian insurgency campaign. We are hardly "lapdogs'.

You really don't know anything do you?


What do Indonesia and Malaysia have to do with Vietnam? And how does it change the fact that you followed the US into Vietnam?

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Require your intelligence for what?? To violently suppress popular uprisings in other countries or in our own country?
No, to stop the communist insurgency in Sth East Asia.

The UN still uses our intelligence and experienced fighting skills, that's why they asked us to fight Indonesia and separate East Timor in 2002. No Yankees required. (They keep getting into messes, poor clumsy chaps) Please pay attention.


Who gives a {!#%@} what the UN asked you to do?? You completely missed the point of my response because you were too busy looking for yet another pat on the head.

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:China's values are profoundly alien to your own,
You idiot. Last week you didn't know Australia was socialist and unionised and friends with Russia and later China during the cold war. That the British tested nukes in Australia does not mean we are at war with Russia and China does it? Our prime enemy was, and still is, Indonesia.


It means you were allied with countries that were hostile to the Soviets and the Communist Chinese. Just because you are on speaking or trading terms with a country, it doesn't mean that they are your "friend".

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:...and the only reason they bother trading with you is because it's a more cost-effective way to pillage your resources than military invasion.
Remember the GFC? I don't. We didn't have one iin Australia, because we were trading with China. We have a trade surplus with China. The USA has a trade deficit with China. You really don't know much about the world do you?


You really don't know much about making relevant counterarguments, do you?


Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Tell me, has your current Prime Muppet offered a formal apology on behalf of the Australian people for the threat his predecessor made against Putin??
Yes he did, through Julie Bishop, the foreign minister, after Abbott was ousted.


Ah, well good for you. I guess that makes you bosom buddies with Russia again! 8-)


Matthew Ellard wrote: Just out of interest, when is your beloved Trump going to cancel military aid to Israel and start charging them, like he will for Australia?
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:I don't know, why don't you ask him.
Matthew Ellard wrote: Good for you. Vote for a bloke without a clue what his policies are! You're a conservative American right? :lol:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Not knowing - or particularly caring - how a candidate will deal with one particular aspect of America's foreign policy does not mean that I have "no clue what his policies are".
Just say it. "I didn't know that. Thank you for informing me Mr Ellard" .


Go {!#%@} yourself Mr Ellard.

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Did you really think I'd be impressed by your false equivocation?
No. I think you are some sort of conservative idiot from the USA, without a clue about the real world.


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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:24 am

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: What do Indonesia and Malaysia have to do with Vietnam?
Communist insurgents in South East Asia. Didn't you know? :lol:

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:And how does it change the fact that you followed the US into Vietnam?
You needed our help as we were experienced in fighting communist insurgents in South East Asia. We also left Vietnam before the USA despite its pleadings. Didn't you know? :lol:

Matthew Ellard wrote: The UN still uses our intelligence and experienced fighting skills, that's why they asked us to fight Indonesia and separate East Timor in 2002. No Yankees required. (They keep getting into messes, poor clumsy chaps)
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Who gives a {!#%@} what the UN asked you to do??
We do, as Australia is a member of the UN. Didn't you know? :lol:


Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:...and the only reason they bother trading with you is because it's a more cost-effective way to pillage your resources than military invasion.
Matthew Ellard wrote: Remember the GFC? I don't. We didn't have one in Australia, because we were trading with China. We have a trade surplus with China. The USA has a trade deficit with China. You really don't know much about the world do you?
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:You really don't know much about making relevant counterarguments, do you?
That's your counter argument? Poor boy. :D


Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:.Ah, well good for you. I guess that makes you bosom buddies with Russia again!
That why I go to Moscow for business. Have you ever been off the farm?


Matthew Ellard wrote: Just say it. "I didn't know that. Thank you for informing me Mr Ellard" .
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: Go {!#%@} yourself Mr Ellard.
Great counter argument. That's your best work so far. :D

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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Venerable Kwan Tam Woo » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:14 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: What do Indonesia and Malaysia have to do with Vietnam?
Communist insurgents in South East Asia. Didn't you know? :lol:


That's it??

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:And how does it change the fact that you followed the US into Vietnam?
You needed our help as we were experienced in fighting communist insurgents in South East Asia. We also left Vietnam before the USA despite its pleadings. Didn't you know? :lol:


So what?

Matthew Ellard wrote: The UN still uses our intelligence and experienced fighting skills, that's why they asked us to fight Indonesia and separate East Timor in 2002. No Yankees required. (They keep getting into messes, poor clumsy chaps)
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Who gives a {!#%@} what the UN asked you to do??
We do, as Australia is a member of the UN. Didn't you know? :lol:


So what?

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:...and the only reason they bother trading with you is because it's a more cost-effective way to pillage your resources than military invasion.
Matthew Ellard wrote: Remember the GFC? I don't. We didn't have one in Australia, because we were trading with China. We have a trade surplus with China. The USA has a trade deficit with China. You really don't know much about the world do you?
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:You really don't know much about making relevant counterarguments, do you?
That's your counter argument? Poor boy. :D


No, it's a commentary on your lousy attempt at a counterargument.

Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:.Ah, well good for you. I guess that makes you bosom buddies with Russia again!
That why I go to Moscow for business.


So what?

Have you ever been off the farm?


Have you ever considered taking your head out of your ass?

Matthew Ellard wrote: Just say it. "I didn't know that. Thank you for informing me Mr Ellard" .
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: Go {!#%@} yourself Mr Ellard.
Great counter argument. That's your best work so far. :D


No wonder you can't produce a relevant counterargument :roll:
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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:33 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote: What do Indonesia and Malaysia have to do with Vietnam?
Communist insurgents in South East Asia. Didn't you know? :lol:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:That's it??
Yes that's it. So you forgot what the Vietnam War was about again. Say "Thank you Mr Ellard for informing me." :lol:


Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:And how does it change the fact that you followed the US into Vietnam?
Matthew Ellard wrote:You needed our help as we were experienced in fighting communist insurgents in South East Asia. We also left Vietnam before the USA despite its pleadings. Didn't you know? :lol:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:So what?
It destroys your claim that we are USA lapdogs. Do you always have memory problems like this?


Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Who gives a {!#%@} what the UN asked you to do?
Matthew Ellard wrote:We do, as Australia is a member of the UN. Didn't you know? :lol:
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:So What?
The UN like the USA needs our experience in anti insurgency fighting. Did you forget you denied this? Tsk tsk tsk. :lol:


Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:.Ah, well good for you. I guess that makes you bosom buddies with Russia again!
Matthew Ellard wrote: That's why I go to Moscow for business.
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:So what?
That's what business buddies do, son. They trade in each other's countries.

Matthew Ellard wrote:Have you ever been off the farm?
Venerable Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Have you ever considered taking your head out of your ass? [
Never tried sticking it up there. How's that going for you? You obviously have a lot of practice. :lol:

Just say it. "I didn't know that. Thank you for informing me Mr Ellard" . :lol:

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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby Tom Palven » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:21 am

Has Trump already sold out to the neocons?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/09/kar ... way-comes/
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Re: Trump's supporters

Postby ElectricMonk » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:13 am

Tom Palven wrote:Has Trump already sold out to the neocons?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/09/kar ... way-comes/


While I am a bit skeptical about our source, it is fair to say that Trump would be very much like Bush when it comes to foreign policy: totally dependent on his advisers.
Since Pence is no Cheney it's going to be easy to get Trump to hand over pretty much all military control to his defense secretary, so whoever that is will tell you everything you need to know.

Trump will probably want to keep the State Department close to invite tons of foreign dignitaries for photo-ops and later park them at his hotels at taxpayer expense.
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