60s and 70s if ...

Sort of like "The Bookshelf" but for... you get the idea.
User avatar
Poodle
Has More Than 8K Posts
Posts: 8245
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:12 pm
Custom Title: Regular sleeper
Location: NE corner of my living room

60s and 70s if ...

Postby Poodle » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:56 am

... you were there.

A collection of YouTubes of 60s and 70s music. You had to be there - or, at least, it helps. There's seven of them, automatically linked. One or two lines of stuff you'd forgotten all about (or wished you'd forgotten). Thoroughly enjoyable. I've laughed and sworn at regular intervals. I mean, who remembers Zager and Evans? Apart from you?

Edit: It would have helped had I actually included the sodding link (note to self - get some control here, dork).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anAuxXnJ56o
Last edited by Poodle on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:07 am, edited 1 time in total.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has No Life
Posts: 11138
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:57 am

Zager and Evans--are still right.... as far as I can remember. Who says otherwise?...in the year 2929 if we all survive? (Hint: I very much doubt it.) So........enjoy the music while you can.
Real Name: bobbo the existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:33 am

It's one thing I have learned. Other people have a totally different memory of the 70's than I do. At least as an Englishman, and me being Aussie, we have something in common regarding music, but I if see American clips from the 70's and I have no idea who I'm looking at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWMNnVI8Wcg

Strangely, Jerry Hall's new boyfriend ( from this clip) is......Rupert Murdoch, a long term Roxy Music fan.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has No Life
Posts: 11138
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:37 am

Most of the American music in the 1970's was from England, later from the UK generally.

Only a few American bands of note.
Real Name: bobbo the existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:44 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Most of the American music in the 1970's was from England, later from the UK generally.
Only a few American bands of note.


Actually the big import was Australian bands to the USA in the 70's. That was because the USA first introduced FM radio and could play pop songs with dynamic ranges. As Aussies signed "half royalty rate" deals in the 70's the USA multi-nationals flogged them onto the US market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWdZEumNRmI

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has No Life
Posts: 11138
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:57 am

Well.....I have to accede to your superior knowledge...... and probably my thinking most Australian Bands were from England??? But I'm still thinking the Ozzy Onslaught came later?

Who was the first big Ozzy Group? I'm thinking Duran, Duran later INXS. Not the 70s. You know more, but can you do the maths?
Real Name: bobbo the existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

User avatar
supervitor
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1892
Joined: Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:52 pm

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby supervitor » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:36 am


User avatar
scrmbldggs
Has No Life
Posts: 19810
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: sees Maria Frigoris from its house!

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:47 am

.

Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Has No Life
Posts: 19810
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: sees Maria Frigoris from its house!

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:54 am

...almost forgot the earworm. :bag:
.

Lard, save me from your followers.

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:20 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Well.....I have to accede to your superior knowledge...... and probably my thinking most Australian Bands were from England?
Yes and No. Most Aussie bands are actually from New Zealand.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Who was the first big Ozzy Group?
The Easybeats on Alberts Records and The Seekers on EMI . I was business manager for The Seekers for a couple years, but business managed other Albert's artists, like the Angels, Choirboys, Rose Tattoo and so on. I never touched AC/DC who were also on Alberts.

The fun thing about the Easybeats is the guitarist who got his brother to play in a "fun band" with a road crew singer, which was and still is called "AC/DC" ( an Australian joke expression)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBJLoYd8xak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIbfYEizLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDCs7ijNUVM

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:34 am

Australia had it's own "70's Glam period" which wasn't very good. This band Supernaught, was a one hit wonder. The blokes in the band were normal nice blokes, who I met, as they got their tax returns done by my old accounting firm.

Despite the 70's Aussie reputation of being "poofta bashers" the 70's & 80's music industry was full of puns on being gay. AC/DC simply means "I like it both ways" which is also the name of this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDMmz_ITyw

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has No Life
Posts: 11138
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:48 am

The Easy Beats? That was the band from my High School...... in California. They actually went regional if not National with a one Hit Wonder--I want to say "Gloria" but that might be only their best cover? By "from England" I meant they were actually English Bands....based in england....like AC/DC. I bet I've read 20 times that they were from Oz, but it never stuck.

Google: formed in 1973........I could quibble and say not well known in USA until very late 70's.

But I do take your point: lots of Oz in the Hard Rock scene.

A/C D/C==same in the USA. All that high tech of male prongs and female receptacles. Not that hip to know of the back door.

Do they lose the accent when singing?
Real Name: bobbo the existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:50 am

Poor Roxy Music. Roxy Music started off as a comedy glam band. Almost every song was lifted from the Oxford Book of Familiar Quotations. Bryan Ferry used to dress up in bizarre fun outfits, then dressed as a 60's French sleazy cocktail bar hanger and, my favourite, a BOAC pilot in full uniform and clipboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEalg62F8Zg
(The bloke playing synth is Brian Eno. Eno produced albums for Devo, Talking Heads, U2, David Bowie and is extremely talented).

They broke up and then came back together again. However the American market picks up on "Avalon" and bingo, Americans think Bryan Ferry is a smooth well spoken English gentleman. I once heard him chatting and say "you know I really sound like this" and he had a Midlands accent and talked about cows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwT_SbBtX8U

User avatar
TJrandom
Has More Than 7K Posts
Posts: 7642
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:55 am
Location: Pacific coast outside of Tokyo bay.
Contact:

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby TJrandom » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:53 am

That was nice – good memories, and I have many, if not most on CDs and in my truck NAVI player. I missed Chubby Checkers`s The Twist and a couple of war songs – Bobby Vinton`s Mr. Lonely and Edwin Starr`s WAR, What is it Good For …

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:57 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:....based in england....like AC/DC.
The AC/DC "compound" is five suburbs suburbs away in 70's groovy Glebe. The drummer got busted in New Zealand, where he lives.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:But I do take your point: lots of Oz in the Hard Rock scene.
I managed this band, which took off in Germany. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PpzveeXLO8

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:05 am

TJrandom wrote: in my truck NAVI player.........


"Ghzzzz" : "Hey there TJ. It's Little Mat, coming up behind you on my sixteen wheeler, OVER"
"Ghzzzz" : "Hey there Little Mat. It's Rubber Gord here. I'm-a-swinging down that highway myself!, OVER"
"Ghzzzz" : ""Well that's a 10-4, I'm Gorgeous and also comin your way honey, OVER"
"Ghzzzz" : ""Well no shittin cheese, it be me, Gawdzilla the road hog, in my truck on that same lane, OVER"
"Ghzzzz" : "It Shakin Shaka here and I'm dreaming I'm on that road too. OVER"
"Ghzzzz" : "Slap me with a tyre lever, It's Screachin Scrmbggs in her road love machine, as well. OVER"
"Ghzzzz" : "I see your number plates Little Mat, It Bobbo bangin up your rear" OVER"

"Ghzzzzzzz" : "Pyrrho here. Any person even suggesting we have a convoy will immediately be banned"
CB RADIO LOCKED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5ZLJWQmss

User avatar
Gord
Real Skeptic
Posts: 29477
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Gord » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:17 am

Harlequin - I did it for love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaLSeIA0kJw
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE

User avatar
Gord
Real Skeptic
Posts: 29477
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Gord » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:25 am

The Guess Who - American Woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8z1EzDouNs
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE

User avatar
Gord
Real Skeptic
Posts: 29477
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Gord » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:35 am

Bachman-Turner Overdrive - You Aint Seen Nothing Yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s / Publishing / Why 70's covers?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:05 am

Music royalties are basically separated into

"Artist Royalties" : Those who play the actual music and receive royalties.
"Composition (Publishing) royalties : Those who wrote the song and receive royalties.

In the 40's through to the 70's most composers signed 50/50 publishing contracts with Music Publishers. This means the publisher keeps 50% of the gross publishing royalty revenue collected (ie Lennon/McCartney). By the late 70's singer/songwriters ( bands who write their own songs) were putting out music on independent labels and having hits. Therefore publisher had to offer 80/20 publishing contracts, where the publisher only keeps 20%. Today, most publishing contracts are signed at 80/20 or 70/30 with a big advance.

Therefore, today, if I'm the A&R manager at Universal Records and I need to chose a song for my new current band, I will always be tempted to get them to record a 60's & 70's composition already owned by Universal Music Publishing. That way Universal keeps an additional 30% of the gross publishing royalties.

Recording Costs come out of Artist Royalties
If Universal Records sign me to record an album and my recording & promotion budget is $200,000, then the first $200,000 in "my share" of royalties is kept by Universal to pay for costs. Therefore I won't see a cent until I sell 100,000 albums. However if I write a song, I get my publishing royalties from the first record sold. For this reason, you should always respect people like Carole King and Neil Sedaka, who wrote songs for other artists to keep a royalty inflow, without seeking fame themselves.

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s / Publishing / Why 70's covers?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:11 am

Fine Young Cannibals (1986) / Ever Fallen in Love cover
High volume sales / No publishing share to band/ Artist royalties only

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMERPNrprkk

Buzzcocks / Ever Fallen in Love (1976) / Original composition
Low volume sales / low artist royalties / low publishing royalties
Extremely high publishing royalties, ten years later from cover by Fine Young Cannibals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bif2q_Zo3-4

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Copyright infringement. / He's so fine / My sweet Lord

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:26 am

As a general rule, like books, when you sign a publishing contract, you assign the copyright to the publisher. This means, when there are copyright infringement cases, it is between publishers rather and the actual composers.

There is a famous music copyright case. On February 10, 1971, Bright Tunes Music Corporation ( A publisher) filed suit alleging that the current George Harrison hit "My Sweet Lord" was a plagiarism of "He's So Fine" (The copyright). The case did not go to trial until February 1976 when the judge ruled on the liability portion of the suit in favor of Bright Tunes, determining that Harrison had committed "subconscious" plagiarism

What was interesting is that George Harrison bought the publishing company that owned the copyright of the original composition. That would allow him to be the owner of the original and potentially end the case. However, the man had morals and didn't use this option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vQEy3J_DOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kNGnIKUdMI

User avatar
Austin Harper
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4858
Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:22 pm
Custom Title: Rock Chalk Astrohawk
Location: Detroit
Contact:

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Austin Harper » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:46 pm

I don't know. The songs are similar but I wouldn't say they're close enough for copyright infringement.
Dum ratio nos ducet, valebimus et multa bene geremus.

User avatar
Poodle
Has More Than 8K Posts
Posts: 8245
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:12 pm
Custom Title: Regular sleeper
Location: NE corner of my living room

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Poodle » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:13 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:They broke up and then came back together again. However the American market picks up on "Avalon" and bingo, Americans think Bryan Ferry is a smooth well spoken English gentleman. I once heard him chatting and say "you know I really sound like this" and he had a Midlands accent and talked about cows.


Bryan Ferry has a North-East accent, young Mr. Ellard. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:15 am

Poodle wrote:Bryan Ferry has a North-East accent, young Mr. Ellard. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

I admit. I do not know my English dialects, other than from television.

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26776
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:22 am

Austin Harper wrote:I don't know. The songs are similar but I wouldn't say they're close enough for copyright infringement.
Well obviously the lyrics are different. The main criticism about this ruling was that the judge was an amateur musician who asked to read the sheet music and concluded there was an infringement from the chord progressions and key change.

Pop songs are generally made up of 3 to 4 chords. Mathematically, I wonder how many combinations are 3 chords X 12 notes X (Maj, minor, 7ths and so on) can exist and how many songs exist in the world. I thought, that when "music identification software" became accurate that there would be heaps of infringement court cases. I was wrong. :D

User avatar
Poodle
Has More Than 8K Posts
Posts: 8245
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:12 pm
Custom Title: Regular sleeper
Location: NE corner of my living room

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Poodle » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:03 am

Hard Day's Night opening chord ...

Q: Mr Harrison, what is the opening chord you used for A Hard Day's Night?
A: It is F with a G on top (on the 12-string), but you'll have to ask Paul about the bass note to get the proper story.

The annoying thing is that it isn't anything like an F with an augmented G and Paul wasn't there to ask.

User avatar
Jeff_36
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4527
Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:45 pm
Location: At the hundredth meridian, where the great plains begin

Re: 60s and 70s if ...

Postby Jeff_36 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:13 am

Gord wrote:Bachman-Turner Overdrive - You Aint Seen Nothing Yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo


Let it Ride was way better


Return to “Film/Theater/TV/Video/Radio/Podcasts”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests