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Postby Frank Hoffman » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:06 pm

In the original movie "Alien", I was surprised and pleased to root for a strong woman. In most films I had seen, the frail woman always whimpered, stumbled and fell down, waiting for the male lead character to come back and pick her up. The whimpering female returns in "Prometheus", but then I found it hard to wish for the survival of any of the crew except, perhaps, the spaceship captain. I enjoy films with interesting, flawed humans, but these were just plain obnoxious. And I hope our scientists in 2094 are smarter than these, or we are clearly doomed. Understanding that removal of helmets on an alien world in a movie might be necessary to hear the actors speak and to see their expressions, in this film I could see and hear the actors just fine in their bubble-like helmets, so it made no sense to so quickly throw them off. The computer graphics were magnificent, but they did not make up for the shallowness of concept and incredibly poor dialog. One of my favorite films is "Lawrence of Arabia", so it was great to see the short video clip and the quote, which were worked into the story well. When I rent films from Amazon Instant Video, I like to watch them at least twice during the rental period, so I get my money's worth, but I could barely stomach this one once. The religious overtones were… well, there's that word again… obnoxious. The whole "It's what I choose to believe" answer replaces any need for logical thought. I truly enjoyed the "Alien" movies, which makes this one even more of a disappointment.

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Run left, run right, run blond! One of those will get you killed.


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this is a prometheus spoiler
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:20 pm

digress wrote:this is a prometheus spoiler


Thanks for that. That video pointed out something I missed before. Why would highly evolved aliens send maps of their weapon facilities to earth, to be discovered by us human idiots, in the first place? Aliens must be really stupid.
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Postby Lausten » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:01 pm

I think it's expectations. The Alien series has always been about very ignorant people in charge of the world. It is from the perspective of poor working stiffs, victims of that bad culture you might say. The main female in Prometheus is almost an anti-hero in my opinion, the hapless human in a world of powers she doesn't understand, more like a Greek tragedy. The crew saved her butt by sacrificing themselves, making them like a Hercules. I don't think you are supposed to accept her spirituality.
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Lausten wrote:I think it's expectations. The Alien series has always been about very ignorant people in charge of the world.

Eh? You get that one from the first movie?
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Postby JO 753 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:39 pm

I'm still thinking Vickers iz a droid.

I think this iz a great movie & can hardly wait for 2 (2017)
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Postby Lausten » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:34 am

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Lausten wrote:I think it's expectations. The Alien series has always been about very ignorant people in charge of the world.

Eh? You get that one from the first movie?

The first one, and it's been a while since I've seen it, didn't have much on who "the company" was. But later ones in the trilogy did. But there was something about them (the company) knowing that there was something out there, that they might come across some kind of powerful weapon.
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Postby Harte » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:26 pm

The portrayal of the crew appeared to me to be a clumsy attempt at symbolism.

I liked that the alien was out to kill us all. That was one thing in the movie that was thought-provoking. Another was that the alien base had been overrun by their own biotechnical creation - seemingly the precursors to the "Alien" species from the earlier movies - an allegory to the present human condition.
A similar event occurred to the same aliens found on the ship that had crashed on the planet in the second alien movie "Aliens."

The lesson - pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

The movie actually sucked, but it's possible, I suppose, that it sucked due to over editing.

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Lausten wrote:
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Lausten wrote:I think it's expectations. The Alien series has always been about very ignorant people in charge of the world.

Eh? You get that one from the first movie?

The first one, and it's been a while since I've seen it, didn't have much on who "the company" was. But later ones in the trilogy did. But there was something about them (the company) knowing that there was something out there, that they might come across some kind of powerful weapon.

I didn't get the "knowing" part from the first movie, it was just an order to return with proof of alien life, apparently something they considered to be profitable, not a "there are killer aliens out there we can militarize." Later movies, yeah they knew as a result of Ripley's report. This is more of a "profit at any cost" than incompetence IMNSHO.
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Postby JO 753 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:43 pm

I'd condem you all az dimwits for not paying attention, but realized it only seemz that way kuz I'v seen theze moviez 5, 10, 20 timez, depending wich wun.
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Our opinions about certain movies are different, JO. And I respect that. :P
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Postby JO 753 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:19 am

We like alot uv the same moviez.

Prometheus haz at least 4 topics here, plus a bunch uv posts in the Good/Bad movie topic. I believe thats more than any other movie. Seemz to me there must be sumthing to it that gets peepl motivated enuf to rite about it.
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JO 753 wrote: Seemz to me there must be sumthing to it that gets peepl motivated enuf to rite about it.


For me, the motivation was simple disappointment, as in socks-instead-of-bicycle on Christmas disappointment.

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Postby PennyDotson » Wed May 20, 2015 6:14 pm

I watched this again, still about the dumbest crew in all of sci fi history

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PennyDotson wrote:I watched this again, still about the dumbest crew in all of sci fi history

Except for Idris Alba, of course. He got some of Charlize with a single question. 8-)
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The sequel is called Alien: Covenant and let's hope it's better

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Jeff_36 wrote:The sequel is called Alien: Covenant and let's hope it's better
He's down here in Aussieland shooting it. It's a closed set, but he's apparently shooting three movies simultaneously.

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Postby Jeff_36 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:33 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:The sequel is called Alien: Covenant and let's hope it's better
He's down here in Aussieland shooting it. It's a closed set, but he's apparently shooting three movies simultaneously.


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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:58 am

I like all the Alien films. Prometheus too. I am put off a bit by how impossible the Alien is: blood that eats thru metal sort of BS...but I really like going up against mindless killing entities...like the Bugs in Starship Troopers, or the machines in Terminator. "No reasoning with them..." Hey, thats like zombies.

Could such creatures ever evolve?==>or as in Aliens were the biogenetically engineered so evolution had nothing to do with it?

Hmmmm..... I say if you like something, embrace it. But still, have I missed something inferior in Prometheus that is not present in the Alien films? Something making it not worth enjoying? I don't think so. HATE, HATE, HATE all the comic book heroes that are the current vogue. Only hate x2 shows based on Magic, Werewolves, and Vampires. Together that must be about 95% of what gets produced these days???

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:12 am

Alien and Aliens are two of my favorite movies so I was really excited to see this movie.
I became a little wary when I found out it really wasn't an Alien movie but a prequel. But, hey, Ridley Scott, right?

I wound up being disappointed. I think as a Sci-Fi movie it was OK, however, I wanted more.

Scott apparently learned something, from what I've been reading the sequel to Prometheus is a direct prequel to Alien. I think the new movie will be called "Alien: Paradise."

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:24 am

You wanted "more."========Like What?

sounds like you wanted Alien all over again, a word for word reshoot with just different actors and better special effects?

................Hey...............I'd watch that.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:You wanted "more."========Like What?

sounds like you wanted Alien all over again, a word for word reshoot with just different actors and better special effects?

................Hey...............I'd watch that.


Um, no.

What revved me up when I heard about this was I thought Scott was going to explore more of the origins of the aliens and their interaction with the Engineers.

I didn't want a "reshoot." What I wanted was expansion.

I've missed a good aliens movie, Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection were both disappointing.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:44 am

Jeff_36 wrote:The sequel is called Alien: Covenant and let's hope it's better


For some reason I thought it was called Alien: Paradise. I stand corrected.
I have high hopes for this one.

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:HATE, HATE, HATE all the comic book heroes that are the current vogue.


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JO 753 wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:HATE, HATE, HATE all the comic book heroes that are the current vogue.


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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:24 pm

The first 1-2-3 shows of any new series on tv are almost always interesting. I guess its the new characters, settings, issue...quest..whatever it is. Then, sadly, most die back to routine boy/girl issues, bad upbringing, uncontrollable urges and such claptrap. This season "Preacher" caught my attention. I do hate, hate, hate any show based on magic/spells/occult BECAUSE anything can happen at anytime BECAUSE: magic. Almost as bad as dream sequences.

Anyhoo...Preacher. Show started out with some occult biblical BS but covered it up fast with either a Vampire hero or a Vampire from outerspace. I think the show is clear....I just wasn't paying attention. Then some Coen Brothers type odd characters who look like they are going to be main show bad asses, but they get killed by the second advert. So, that is fun.

Ha, ha......I intended to go off track ....but even missed that. different thread for later.

"I thought Scott was going to explore more of the origins of the aliens and their interaction with the Engineers." /// Prometheus is all about the origin of the Engineers. Its all set up now for whats her face traveling back to the Engineers Planet and interfere with their progress in dealing with the Aliens. Were they found or created? We poor hoomans, even years hence, may not be up to the task of defeating the aliens....but the Engineers look like they could have if they had wanted to? So....something going on there. Worth a plausible set up anyway. Ha, ha....just as we are keeping Smallpox alive for future study......maybe the Engineers are STUPID in that way too.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:The first 1-2-3 shows of any new series on tv are almost always interesting. I guess its the new characters, settings, issue...quest..whatever it is. Then, sadly, most die back to routine boy/girl issues, bad upbringing, uncontrollable urges and such claptrap. This season "Preacher" caught my attention. I do hate, hate, hate any show based on magic/spells/occult BECAUSE anything can happen at anytime BECAUSE: magic. Almost as bad as dream sequences.

Anyhoo...Preacher. Show started out with some occult biblical BS but covered it up fast with either a Vampire hero or a Vampire from outerspace. I think the show is clear....I just wasn't paying attention. Then some Coen Brothers type odd characters who look like they are going to be main show bad asses, but they get killed by the second advert. So, that is fun.

Ha, ha......I intended to go off track ....but even missed that. different thread for later.

"I thought Scott was going to explore more of the origins of the aliens and their interaction with the Engineers." /// Prometheus is all about the origin of the Engineers. Its all set up now for whats her face traveling back to the Engineers Planet and interfere with their progress in dealing with the Aliens. Were they found or created? We poor hoomans, even years hence, may not be up to the task of defeating the aliens....but the Engineers look like they could have if they had wanted to? So....something going on there. Worth a plausible set up anyway. Ha, ha....just as we are keeping Smallpox alive for future study......maybe the Engineers are STUPID in that way too.


Keep up there, Bobo. Naomi isn't in the next movie.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:07 pm

jef: fair enough...but we knew nothing of the Engineers until Prometheus. We know know much more about who they are. Do we care about their origins...or about how they originated the Alien? The latter I think and that we were given as a foundation. Right now....we don't much like the Engineers as portrayed by the one guy we have met so far. Was he an aberration or the exemplar? I assume exemplar, the Engineers having engineered themselves to a uniform standard?

BUT...........back to the original gripe: the obnoxiousness of the crew? So far, the only issue mentioned supporting that is that some character believed what she/he wanted to believe? As in: " The whole "It's what I choose to believe" answer replaces any need for logical thought." I don't remember that line or line of thought or meme or idea or theme at all from my 2-3 views of the flick. I'll watch for it next time. To me the movie was very much like the rest of them: lone female hero fighting extraordinary odds with the help of an android. Very stock affair.
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The line is definitely in there, I gagged when I heard it the first time.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:42 pm

Thanks Gawd....makes me want to watch the flick again just for that line. Made you gag huh? Maybe put it on moot (sic) and read the line? Might go down better.

Can you remember what it was he/she wanted to believe in? Some wants are better than other wants.
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The first time was the flash back to their missionary days in India. "Why do they believe that?" "Because it's what they choose to believe." Logic goes out the window when you dumb it down that far. The second time was on the planet, when she goes just as dumb when challenged about her beliefs.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:16 pm

Ha, ha. Yep...gonna plan a movie night....popcorn and all.

"Because thats what they choose to believe" is about as deep and insightful an analysis as is possible when it comes to groups of people believing any given dogma. It is after all a human construct and what is that except what you choose to believe?

The second example is the key. Individuals should have a deeper more connected understanding of what and why they believe whatever they do. Room for interpretation there......................... you know................... pros and cons........... all depending.
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Postby Gord » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:24 am

Some of the best series started out with crap episodes. Off the top of my head: Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Supernatural.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:27 am

Never got into Buffy though I had friends that liked it.

I've watched Supernatural from the beginning.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:00 pm

Buffy?--people appearing and disappearing in puffs of smoke? Too sophisticated for me...and not enough bikinis.

Supernatural--I've caught about 4-5 of them when a favored guest star or theme is mentioned. They've all been acceptable as light fare.

Preacher...on tv right now, third episode is on the cusp. It could go either way right about now. I expect "advanced alien lifeforms" to make an appearance....which could work...layers of weird, all the way down.
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Re: Prometheus - A crew more obnoxious than the aliens.

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:14 pm

Supernatural's best seasons were 1-5. They've been a little uneven since then.

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Re: Prometheus - A crew more obnoxious than the aliens.

Postby Austin Harper » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:59 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:The sequel is called Alien: Covenant and let's hope it's better


For some reason I thought it was called Alien: Paradise. I stand corrected.
I have high hopes for this one.

In an interview back in September Scott said it would be titled Alien: Paradise Lost but then in November he changed it to Alien: Covenant.
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