How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

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How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:05 pm

How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

I find it quite strange that Christian, Muslims and Jews can ignore the immoral ways that their God is shown to have in the Bible, Qur’an and Talmud.

If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order. The Buddhist saying that if you ever meet God, kill him seems quite fitting. Frankly, I think killing him without making him suffer for a time would be too good for him. If hell were real, that would be a better end for him as mankind would surely need to see that torture to gain real closure for God’s crimes against humanity. This aside.

I can appreciate the value for society of local churches, mosques and temples but cannot fathom why lying priests, preachers and imams try to sell their God as a good God, when he is obviously more satanic than Satan. Perhaps scripture speak at least one truth in that the whole world would be deceived by Satan and his lying preachers and imams. Not that I believe in Satan.

As a Gnostic Christian, my focus has been to try to become a Parfait, a perfected moral man, using the methods Jesus taught. It has been a long climb up Jacob’s ladder and apotheosis put me up one rung and I have tried to climb higher, but seem to have stalled due to my inability to find arguments that are persuasive enough to loosen Satan’s grip on the minds of Christians, Muslims and Jews. Their need of fellowship is stronger than their work on their moral sense and they stay in their religions even though they know that their God is immoral and not worthy of their idol worship. This Gnostic Christian truth is not a flattering epithet for God, which is likely what cause their destruction by Inquisition.

The truth hurts the religious even when given with a loving touch. I am not that good at that but have seen good honest lovers of Christ get verbally abused by theists. They think hate is motivating those who speak against their God even when love is the motivator. Hate is born of love, and the Gnostic hate of God is justified on moral grounds, and the attempted correction of a believers moral sense and their thinking is done out of love. They forget that that is how Jesus was and how that love driven expression of hate with what he saw around him almost got him killed at the hands of the Jews. So the myth says.

The fact that I have had many theists resist entering into moral argument of their God indicates that they know that their God is immoral. I can appreciate that once a person accepts the fellowship that his tribal nature seeks, and he can survive without having better morals, he is loath to jeopardize the comfort zone he has created for himself. The problem is that theists are living in self-deception and for one who seeks or has attained Gnosis, a deeper knowing of himself, self-deception is basically not allowed. That is why I have to bother fighting a fight that is almost un-winnable.

If you have an answer to the question I posed at the onset, please enlighten me as I am quite disappointed to see so many living in self-deception and without Gnosis, and following Gods who are demonstrably more Satan like than God like.

In the terrible days that we will face from environmental degradation that will soon be upon us, a new and moral God will be required and we presently do not have one.

I recognize that our tribal and fellowship needs are quite strong and a part of our basic instincts. Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby OlegTheBatty » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:15 pm

I find it really easy to accept the moral failings of fictional characters. Lily white characters are boring to read about.
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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:56 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:I find it really easy to accept the moral failings of fictional characters. Lily white characters are boring to read about.


Theists do not think their Gods to be fiction.

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby Poodle » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:28 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways? ...

And there I was thinking you knew. They ignore them because they're not their gods' ways but their own ways. They're doing what they want to do. One of the things they want to do is pass the responsibility onto a god and then, because it's a god, they can claim zero responsibility. It was acceptable in the Bronze Age, but it's all a bit on the juvenile side these days.
They should all be soundly spanked and sent to bed early.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:30 am

Compartmentalized, then ignored.
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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:02 am

Think of God as being like a Windows program. Comes in versions I and I.I.

Version I.I is the new revised version described by Yeshua ben Yosef. Version I is the truly evil version described by bronze age goat herds in the Old Testament. Since God is simply the reflection of the writers fantasy, that figures. The more barbaric people wrote about a version that was violent and barbaric. My good buddy Yeshua seems to have been a more civilised individual, and wrote of an upgraded version.

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby Poodle » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:37 am

GodXP should be OK.

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby OlegTheBatty » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:22 pm

Poodle wrote:GodXP should be OK.


It should be - but you can be sure that someone will 'upgrade' it and {!#%@} it all up.
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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:08 pm

Poodle wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways? ...

And there I was thinking you knew. They ignore them because they're not their gods' ways but their own ways. They're doing what they want to do. One of the things they want to do is pass the responsibility onto a god and then, because it's a god, they can claim zero responsibility. It was acceptable in the Bronze Age, but it's all a bit on the juvenile side these days.
They should all be soundly spanked and sent to bed early.


IOW's, they are using a scapegoat. I agree.

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:11 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:Think of God as being like a Windows program. Comes in versions I and I.I.

Version I.I is the new revised version described by Yeshua ben Yosef. Version I is the truly evil version described by bronze age goat herds in the Old Testament. Since God is simply the reflection of the writers fantasy, that figures. The more barbaric people wrote about a version that was violent and barbaric. My good buddy Yeshua seems to have been a more civilised individual, and wrote of an upgraded version.


True, but still immoral. Like his no divorce policy that forces people to love in abusive situations or loveless marriages.

Love your neighbor but if you can't love your mate, too bad.

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:12 pm

Poodle wrote:GodXP should be OK.


That would be Gnostic Christianity and yes, it is ok, and I would say the best that society has come up with.

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