Why did we stop inventing gods?

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:54 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Oh, as to the OP, hehe, it's no longer fashionable. Having been forbidden for so long and all that, ya know...


Sure it is as many have made money and statism their new gods.

I do not think much of that but it sure beats some imaginary supernatural guy in the sky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2D ... r_embedded

I just hope statists do not end with the same motto as theists. My god, right or wrong.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:57 pm

Flash wrote:What about the Flying Spaghetti Monster? :fsm:


I prefer a real god. A man. Or woman of course.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:03 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Oh, as to the OP, hehe, it's no longer fashionable. Having been forbidden for so long and all that, ya know...


Sure it is as many have made money and statism their new gods.

I do not think much of that but it sure beats some imaginary supernatural guy in the sky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2D ... r_embedded

I just hope statists do not end with the same motto as theists. My god, right or wrong.

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I do believe I've ever only once came across an actual church that actually calls it their god. In a roundabout way, tho, (them loving the god-given "good life" with money and drink and partying, etc) something like "pretty much anything goes". (Don't ask, seen on TV once, I don't remember the name or where they're at.)

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:37 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Not really that much original god making, just stolen gods from the more imaginative tribes.

And remember, "Humans have never invented a god with better morals than their own."


I do not agree as most people have better morals than their gods.

If theists followed their god to the max, we would have to kill them all in self defence.

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They never would, most humans are cowards.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:54 pm

Once the idea caught on that there was only one God, it displaced a lot of the god making to saint and hero making.

But if you want something fairly recent, there's Xenu. ;)
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:47 pm

Your God ~ creator of this place ~
must be soooooooo Proud
of all of you. :roll:
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:56 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Once the idea caught on that there was only one God, it displaced a lot of the god making to saint and hero making.
I totally agree.

I like Hercules. He's a demi-god and yet sort of represents a "normal man" in Greek classical literature, through his hedonism and stupidity......but he doesn't argue with the "gods" (plural).

With the introduction of monotheism, I see the first saints, who also represent "mortal man" who argue about interpreting the word of "god" (singular). These same saints could not argue with a polytheistic pantheon of gods, because the message in their writing would make no sense, as the readers would say "Well the other gods wouldn't do that".

It is interesting. Again, I think it simply shows more about standard human psychological behaviour than anything religious.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:12 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


When history becomes assessable, religious frameworks had pantheons of many gods.

If my boat sinks, I blame Poseidon while still leaving devotion gifts to Zeus. It is more like blaming individual family members of the family next door. No one god is ultimately responsible

With the introduction of monotheism, I am now forced to ask the same single god the question. "Why did you logically do that?" I am now forced to think "Well perhaps this one God is not perfect and is a bit irrational"

Here we are in 2016 and the Christian church is still trying to push back to polytheism, "God is a good bloke and so is his fellow god Jesus, but the Devil is a nasty bit of work". The Christian church is still trying to push the blame away from God.

Sooooo........ I don't think we can invent a modern monotheistic god anymore because we would immediately have to accept that new god made irrational decisions and therefore wasn't "perfect". I don't think we can invent any new pantheon of many gods, simply because that would be too silly.


Well done.

If we are talking supernatural gods, I agree.

If we would remember that our original gods were beneath men, then I wold vote for a new Divine Council.

Man has forgotten that the gods were to serve us and not us serve them.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:14 pm

Angel wrote:Good luck finding anything
worth worshiping in this society.
People worship Ed The Sock. :mrgreen:


I hear you but do not think we should worship anything. We are natures highest achievement and should not bow to anyone or anything. I have no problem with recognizing worth though.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:17 pm

TJrandom wrote:We have hundreds - no, thousands of gods, and more are created every day. Similarly, many die off every day too. IMO, creating gods has just become boring.


I agree for the supernatural gods.

Not the human gods. We all learn from each other and some are better teachers.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:32 pm

Gord wrote:I stopped inventing gods when I finally got it right.


That would make you an idol worshiper.

How unfortunate to let your mental facilities stagnate.

Gnostic Christians set aside whatever god they find, raise the bar of excellence and seek/create anew.

We are perpetual seekers and believe we should continue to evolve our thinking.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:38 pm

OutOfBreath wrote:We never stop inventing gods. Just that modern ones tend to embellish the existing ones. For that matter the notion of god in the monotheistic traditions have had many hard shifts. "God is love" is a very recent phenomena reflecting the times.

Oh and since absolutism is out of vogue, new religious notions tend to teflect that with more grassroots democratic stuff. We call it newage now.

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Since our oligarch owners have bought democracy out from under us, I see the new-age has become garb-age.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:43 pm

psychiatry is a scam wrote:when the roman catholic church took over Europe ; it turned almost everyone into slaves .
even thinking about a god was a death sentence . hell , thinking period was a crime
whites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.


Yet in the last few centuries, whites have lead the way in innovation, invention and thinking as well as secular liberty in the so called free nations. The West has lead and the West was mostly white.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:50 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Not really that much original god making, just stolen gods from the more imaginative tribes.

And remember, "Humans have never invented a god with better morals than their own."


I do not agree as most people have better morals than their gods.

If theists followed their god to the max, we would have to kill them all in self defence.

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They never would, most humans are cowards.


Possibly.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

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scrmbldggs wrote:
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scrmbldggs wrote:Oh, as to the OP, hehe, it's no longer fashionable. Having been forbidden for so long and all that, ya know...


Sure it is as many have made money and statism their new gods.

I do not think much of that but it sure beats some imaginary supernatural guy in the sky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2D ... r_embedded

I just hope statists do not end with the same motto as theists. My god, right or wrong.

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I do believe I've ever only once came across an actual church that actually calls it their god. In a roundabout way, tho, (them loving the god-given "good life" with money and drink and partying, etc) something like "pretty much anything goes". (Don't ask, seen on TV once, I don't remember the name or where they're at.)


I have heard many religionists speak of their, --- One True God.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:53 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Once the idea caught on that there was only one God, it displaced a lot of the god making to saint and hero making.



Yes. A shame that.

We forgot that god was created to be our slave and not us his.

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Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Angel wrote:Good luck finding anything
worth worshiping in this society.
People worship Ed The Sock. :mrgreen:


I hear you but do not think we should worship anything. We are natures highest achievement and should not bow to anyone or anything. I have no problem with recognizing worth though.

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If we are what mother nature was aiming for, she's one mean old b****.

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scrmbldggs wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Angel wrote:Good luck finding anything
worth worshiping in this society.
People worship Ed The Sock. :mrgreen:


I hear you but do not think we should worship anything. We are natures highest achievement and should not bow to anyone or anything. I have no problem with recognizing worth though.

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If we are what mother nature was aiming for, she's one mean old b****.


Really?

Not according to the stats that show most of the markers we would call evil to be at the best levels that we have collectively ever enjoyed. Death by violence, crime, slavery and poverty.

Here is just one example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:32 pm

It might not last. The renovation of our mutual home might not prove suitable for the greedy litterbugs that necessitated the makeover.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:24 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:We forgot that god was created to be our slave and not us his.


I dispute "god" or "gods" were created to be our slave.

I take the view that over the last 100,000 years human innate behaviour and some conscious thinking, established a complex frame work of "activities". 80,000 years ago, we were burying flowers with bodies as "equity theory" that spring would bring them back to life. No God was required.

Somewhere along the line, the compelling innate human behaviour to anthropomorphise things, simply gave this framework of different activities a human like characteristic. You can sort of see this as "classes of activities" were first separated into differing concerns for the different pantheistic "gods".

You can also sort of see this, as once the behavioural frameworks were given human characteristics, local communities adopted that character as "their" god, tied to their locality. You can see this best reflected in the reduction of 2,000 different local gods in the Egyptian Old Kingdom to the 8 main gods and lesser gods in the Middle Kingdom as Egypt was politically unified.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gord » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:38 am

I invented a new god in high school. His name was Yug, and he was the god of stepping on worms after it rained.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:50 am

...but Yug felt lonely, so Mother Sun created the mate Crunch.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gord » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:55 am

Don't be silly. "Yug" is just "guy" spelt backward. His mate should be named "Lag".
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

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Blasphemy! Feed him!

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I think God should stop inventing people. l0l
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Postby TJrandom » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:54 pm

Angel wrote:I think God should stop inventing people. l0l


Done!

Well, didn`t actually need to do anything, since no god - ever, invented a person. Biology 101, simple - really it is.

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Postby Angel » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:09 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Angel wrote:I think God should stop inventing people. l0l


Done!

Well, didn`t actually need to do anything, since no god - ever, invented a person. Biology 101, simple - really it is.


Ya I know ~ people do that.
If that's what you call them still?
They have litters now. I met a girl
that had 3 ~ just had another ~ dropped
it out 7 months after the last one and
got pregnant with 5 at once a week after
that one ~ had to remove them though.
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Postby Angel » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:12 pm

Even the statement ~
We are all Gods ~
When heard rather than read ~
has more than one meaning.
Everything belongs to God & we are
like God yet we are not even close
to being as good as God. lol
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Angel wrote:I think God should stop inventing people. l0l

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Angel wrote:I think God should stop inventing people. l0l

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


4 times lol
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby OutOfBreath » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:25 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
OutOfBreath wrote:We never stop inventing gods. Just that modern ones tend to embellish the existing ones. For that matter the notion of god in the monotheistic traditions have had many hard shifts. "God is love" is a very recent phenomena reflecting the times.

Oh and since absolutism is out of vogue, new religious notions tend to teflect that with more grassroots democratic stuff. We call it newage now.

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Since our oligarch owners have bought democracy out from under us, I see the new-age has become garb-age.

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?? How is that relevant when my point is that democratic egalitarian notions are more widespread now and religions and imagrs of god reflects that? I made no point about how good a democracy we currently or anything like that...

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Angel wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Angel wrote:I think God should stop inventing people. l0l

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


4 times lol

I'm mathnostic. If a clock is stopped with both hands pointing at 12, it's right four times a day because...
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Postby Poodle » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:47 pm

Gord wrote:Don't be silly. "Yug" is just "guy" spelt backward. His mate should be named "Lag".


Ydal, surely? It's so much more Tolkienesque. Yug and Ydal - rolls off the tongue.

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Poodle wrote:
Gord wrote:Don't be silly. "Yug" is just "guy" spelt backward. His mate should be named "Lag".


Ydal, surely? It's so much more Tolkienesque. Yug and Ydal - rolls off the tongue.

True. The orcs were Yugly.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Angel wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Angel wrote:I think God should stop inventing people. l0l

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


4 times lol

I'm mathnostic. If a clock is stopped with both hands pointing at 12, it's right four times a day because...

Actually ~ how many time zones are there?
It's right that many times.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:58 pm

So, you've managed to be wrong twice so far, in this thread snippet alone. Does your pulse read in negative numbers.

Kudos for admitting you don't know how many hours there are in a day, btw.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:53 pm

JAngel wrote:Actually ~ how many time zones are there?
It's right that many times.

Only if it's a traveling timepiece...

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scrmbldggs wrote:
JAngel wrote:Actually ~ how many time zones are there?
It's right that many times.

Only if it's a traveling timepiece...
Hush, I was still working on that. :twisted:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gord » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:25 am

Poodle wrote:
Gord wrote:Don't be silly. "Yug" is just "guy" spelt backward. His mate should be named "Lag".

Ydal, surely? It's so much more Tolkienesque. Yug and Ydal - rolls off the tongue.

Please keep your tongue off my Ydal.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:14 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:So, you've managed to be wrong twice so far, in this thread snippet alone. Does your pulse read in negative numbers.

Kudos for admitting you don't know how many hours there are in a day, btw.


Are you saying all questions are
based on lack of knowledge ?
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
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What was the question?


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