Why did we stop inventing gods?

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Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:20 pm

Why did we stop inventing gods?

The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk

Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.

Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.

Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.

I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.

Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.

Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?

Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:42 pm

Not really that much original god making, just stolen gods from the more imaginative tribes.

And remember, "Humans have never invented a god with better morals than their own."
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby ElectricMonk » Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:55 pm

As you said, the rules that man makes up are removed from those in the founding documents of a religion.

The point of Gods is not as role models or providers of morality: they are dispensers of authority.
Following simple market economics, the more Gods we have, the lower each one's authority. So we want a few, high-membership religious as not to dilute the borrowed authority .

So to create competitive Divinities, new religions must offer more than some inexperienced young women in the afterlife to attract followers: the traditional picture of paradise is just not attractive compared to the earthly delights a 7-figure income can provide.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:45 pm

I invent a new one every morning when I rearrange that hideous thing that greets me in the mirror into something more presentable.

And many invent theirs when they relate the wonderful stories of their immaculate selves and/or their equally immaculate mates, friends and families, etc. :-P
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:58 pm

Oh, as to the OP, hehe, it's no longer fashionable. Having been forbidden for so long and all that, ya know...
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby OlegTheBatty » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:24 pm

Did we stop?

Or did we merely give them different names, such as Laissez-Faire Capitalism? 2nd Amendment?
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Lausten » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:14 pm

Good one Oleg. See my link in "Getting High". We changed to "The Cloud", "The Singularity", "Mass Communication", whatever the hell Azzania is talking about, getting somewhere as in; when we get to the moon the world will come together, when we get to Antarctica, when we circumnavigate, when we map the last corner. None of those have worked, they quickly become yesterday's news. Meanwhile, people continue to care about their neighbor, they put change in the cup for the kid on the street, they go to work and do their crappy job because they believe it is right, they pay their taxes. Obviously not everyone does those things, obviously it's still a fight. Worth it to me.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Flash » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:20 pm

What about the Flying Spaghetti Monster? :fsm:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Austin Harper » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:57 am

Or Xenu?
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:32 am

Good luck finding anything
worth worshiping in this society.
People worship Ed The Sock. :mrgreen:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby ElectricMonk » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:40 am

Angel wrote:Good luck finding anything
worth worshiping in this society.
People worship Ed The Sock. :mrgreen:


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I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
Spoiler:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:20 am

ElectricMonk wrote:
Angel wrote:Good luck finding anything
worth worshiping in this society.
People worship Ed The Sock. :mrgreen:


Don't use His Name in vain!


In or on?
I can't ~ I don't have the parts hehe
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:49 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


When history becomes assessable, religious frameworks had pantheons of many gods.

If my boat sinks, I blame Poseidon while still leaving devotion gifts to Zeus. It is more like blaming individual family members of the family next door. No one god is ultimately responsible

With the introduction of monotheism, I am now forced to ask the same single god the question. "Why did you logically do that?" I am now forced to think "Well perhaps this one God is not perfect and is a bit irrational"

Here we are in 2016 and the Christian church is still trying to push back to polytheism, "God is a good bloke and so is his fellow god Jesus, but the Devil is a nasty bit of work". The Christian church is still trying to push the blame away from God.

Sooooo........ I don't think we can invent a modern monotheistic god anymore because we would immediately have to accept that new god made irrational decisions and therefore wasn't "perfect". I don't think we can invent any new pantheon of many gods, simply because that would be too silly.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:57 am

Remember ~ God regrets creating man.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby scrmbldggs » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:59 am

Remember ~ God regrets creating man creating God. :mrgreen:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:04 am

Angel wrote:Remember ~ God regrets creating man.
Scrmbldggs is right. Does not the human bloke who wrote on behalf of YAWEH saying " You are to have no other gods besides me" because he is sick of humans inventing new Gods.......like humans invented YAWEH. :D

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby TJrandom » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:25 am

We have hundreds - no, thousands of gods, and more are created every day. Similarly, many die off every day too. IMO, creating gods has just become boring.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby scrmbldggs » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:44 am

I finally remembered the title of a book the OP somehow made me recall. Many here would perhaps not be interested, others might want to give it a glance - so here it is: http://www.alphabetvsgoddess.com/timeline.html
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gord » Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:33 am

I stopped inventing gods when I finally got it right.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:53 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Angel wrote:Remember ~ God regrets creating man.
Scrmbldggs is right. Does not the human bloke who wrote on behalf of YAWEH saying " You are to have no other gods besides me" because he is sick of humans inventing new Gods.......like humans invented YAWEH. :D


Skeptics keep saying people create
it all. Take responsibility . Lol
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:54 pm

Gord wrote:I stopped inventing gods when I finally got it right.


:lol:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:56 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:I finally remembered the title of a book the OP somehow made me recall. Many here would perhaps not be interested, others might want to give it a glance - so here it is: http://www.alphabetvsgoddess.com/timeline.html


I can't .
I just can't . l0l
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:59 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Remember ~ God regrets creating man creating God. :mrgreen:


Sorry ~ your eggs are still scrambled. :mrgreen:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby OutOfBreath » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:09 pm

We never stop inventing gods. Just that modern ones tend to embellish the existing ones. For that matter the notion of god in the monotheistic traditions have had many hard shifts. "God is love" is a very recent phenomena reflecting the times.

Oh and since absolutism is out of vogue, new religious notions tend to teflect that with more grassroots democratic stuff. We call it newage now.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:21 pm

History repeats itself.
7 billion people and only
so many stories to go around~
who are you repeating?
How creative are you?
Can you create one love
that fits all?
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:29 am

OutOfBreath wrote:We never stop inventing gods. Just that modern ones tend to embellish the existing ones.

OK. I agree with that.

I think some anecdotal evidence would be from three of the "woosters" who posted here.

Freebill belongs to the 1970's Ra cult, which changed the meaning of the original Egyptian god, Ra.

Gorgeous belongs to the 1970's Seth cult, which changed the meaning of the original Egyptian god Seth

Highflyertoo claimed to be the superior god Emmanuel, which is him modifying an existing Christian saint.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Angel » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:55 am

God
Music notes ~ g & d
Sung ~ ray & so
O is the pattern
When fruitful & multiplied
it becomes obtuse lol
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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:12 am

when the roman catholic church took over Europe ; it turned almost everyone into slaves .
even thinking about a god was a death sentence . hell , thinking period was a crime
whites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.
for the real minority ; there will be no justice , there will be no peace .
makes sense 2me , so it has 2be wrong .

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:27 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:when the roman catholic church took over Europe
Constantine, a pagan, was already dictator (Emperor) of the Roman Empire, when he adopted Christianity as the state religion.

The original early Christian cult (including monotheism and burial) was brought back to Europe from legionnaires returning from the middle east. Christianity is a Middle East religion.

psychiatry is a scam wrote:whites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.
Yet, as you hate "darkies", you discount that they suffered under Christianity in the middle East. You also seem totally unaware that the biggest Christian countries today are in Africa and Asia.

Ethiopia – 52.07 million
Democratic Republic of the Congo – 63.21 million
China – 68.41 million
Nigeria – 78.05 million
The Philippines – 86.37 million
Russia – 107.5 million

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psychiatry is a scam wrote:when the roman catholic church took over Europe ; it turned almost everyone into slaves .
even thinking about a god was a death sentence . hell , thinking period was a crime
whites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.

Oh death ~
Where is your sting?
It is in the truth
for telling the truth
is an act of revolte
and the liars will
kill you. lol

Why do you enable the government ?
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
Not to exist?
What was the question?

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psychiatry is a scam wrote:when the roman catholic church took over Europe ; it turned almost everyone into slaves .
even thinking about a god was a death sentence . hell , thinking period was a crime
whites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.

Did you just read some book 15 years ago and now you just make up history in your head?
When did the roman catholic church take over Europe? Rome was falling when the Church first formed and it was centered in Constantinople at the time. Yeah, they killed a lot of people for a couple hundred years, but they had minimal control over the countryside. Their power continued to slide. The commonly used date for the Fall is 476. Power was spread around for a few centuries and Islam took over the formerly Roman parts of Africa, all the way around to Spain. Are you talking about Charlemagne being crowned by the Pope in 800? Schisms continued and Martin Luther was not far along. So, what the hell are you talking about?
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Angel wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:when the roman catholic church took over Europe ; it turned almost everyone into slaves .
even thinking about a god was a death sentence . hell , thinking period was a crime
whites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.

Oh death ~
Where is your sting?
It is in the truth
for telling the truth
is an act of revolte
and the liars will
kill you. lol

Why do you enable the government ?


huh ? need to remember im barely functional .
for the real minority ; there will be no justice , there will be no peace .
makes sense 2me , so it has 2be wrong .

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Lausten wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:when the roman catholic church took over Europe ; it turned almost everyone into slaves .
even thinking about a god was a death sentence . hell , thinking period was a crime
whites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.

Did you just read some book 15 years ago and now you just make up history in your head?
When did the roman catholic church take over Europe? Rome was falling when the Church first formed and it was centered in Constantinople at the time. Yeah, they killed a lot of people for a couple hundred years, but they had minimal control over the countryside. Their power continued to slide. The commonly used date for the Fall is 476. Power was spread around for a few centuries and Islam took over the formerly Roman parts of Africa, all the way around to Spain. Are you talking about Charlemagne being crowned by the Pope in 800? Schisms continued and Martin Luther was not far along. So, what the hell are you talking about?


um thanx for asking , soo this insight is based on my going to a dumb blank roman catholic church around the 1960s .
it made me think they were in power . and the little bit of historical research I have done ( channel surfing the tv )
made me think the roman catholic church was a major power in Europe up till hitler at least .
was not thinking of roman empire , although Constantine in my mind :-/ may be a start of the roman catholic church .
ok so 2000 is a bad number , ( 2000 is a bad number repeat several times as trump might - side joke sorry )
anyway how about several centuries ? :-)
idea is I feel I am the culmination of several centuries of intelligent design by the roman catholic church . kind of like dog breeding .
give a biscuit to the obedient ones , and burn the ones who ask questions .
true I am generalizing - martin luther is an example of the opposite - wait if martin luther had never gone to the holy city , he may have remained clueless ? fact is even though he was a genius , being isolated in his early years - he was clueless , right ?

back 2 the topic title - its a simple question , with a simple answer . simple for an admittedly sick idiot :-/
anybody who wasn't a jesus freak was either killed , forced to flee , or forced to convert .
this went on for centuries , all over Europe . still goes on today - if you want to get ahead you belong to the right church .
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

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psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Angel wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:when the roman catholic church took over Europe ; it turned almost everyone into slaves .
even thinking about a god was a death sentence . hell , thinking period was a crime
whites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.

Oh death ~
Where is your sting?
It is in the truth
for telling the truth
is an act of revolte
and the liars will
kill you. lol

Why do you enable the government ?


huh ? need to remember im barely functional .


What does that have to do with
the price of tea in China?
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

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Angel wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Angel wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:when the roman catholic church took over Europe ; it turned almost everyone into slaves .
even thinking about a god was a death sentence . hell , thinking period was a crime
whites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.

Oh death ~
Where is your sting?
It is in the truth
for telling the truth
is an act of revolte
and the liars will
kill you. lol

Why do you enable the government ?


huh ? need to remember im barely functional .


What does that have to do with
the price of tea in China?


thanx for clearing that up for me .
for the real minority ; there will be no justice , there will be no peace .
makes sense 2me , so it has 2be wrong .

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:45 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Not really that much original god making, just stolen gods from the more imaginative tribes.

And remember, "Humans have never invented a god with better morals than their own."


I do not agree as most people have better morals than their gods.

If theists followed their god to the max, we would have to kill them all in self defence.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:47 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:As you said, the rules that man makes up are removed from those in the founding documents of a religion.

The point of Gods is not as role models or providers of morality: they are dispensers of authority.
Following simple market economics, the more Gods we have, the lower each one's authority. So we want a few, high-membership religious as not to dilute the borrowed authority .

So to create competitive Divinities, new religions must offer more than some inexperienced young women in the afterlife to attract followers: the traditional picture of paradise is just not attractive compared to the earthly delights a 7-figure income can provide.


True. Many see money as a god.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:50 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:I invent a new one every morning when I rearrange that hideous thing that greets me in the mirror into something more presentable.

And many invent theirs when they relate the wonderful stories of their immaculate selves and/or their equally immaculate mates, friends and families, etc. :-P


As a Gnostic Christian, I have no problem in seeing god in my mirror but draw the line at descriptors like immaculate, divine etc.

I do allow handsome as all get out though. :)

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:52 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:Did we stop?

Or did we merely give them different names, such as Laissez-Faire Capitalism? 2nd Amendment?


Point for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2D ... r_embedded

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