Arguing against religion

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Arguing against religion

Postby ryu » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:36 am

Here are some quotes with my responses (I was blocked from responding)
How can a god make it more meaningless? The God we're talking about here values the smallest acts of human tenderness, thoughtfulness, sacrifice and such makes all meaningful. It makes even the tenor of our conversation meaningful and of fantastic importance. Language is a gift and an expression of being. We are not arbitrary but are responding to what each other is saying. Being is and is not a contest in the world of such a God who has providence and thus, all is in some way in communion. Even evil can serve some good, some greater appreciation in a person for what it destroyed at a later time through remorse. It is in the dog eat dog broken world of survivalism that such acts are considered meaningless. I can't consider what we're saying to be meaningless, otherwise I would be saying that I am meaningless and you are meaningless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyeiJrzSZZY

The article you posted was interesting. But what are the odds of a story written 2,000 years ago which concludes in an era of advanced knowledge and rebellion against the tenderness and sacrifice of Jesus? What of the spirit leading the rebellion which is of knowledge but knows nothing of the ways of faith and love? Isn't there something just a little uncanny about it?

Been told over before hand and told after...been done


The article explains the possibility of evolution, which isn't really the issue.

The irrational nature of atheism is observed in the way people tend to become bored and disrespect that which is subject to itself and in its mechanical nature of understanding things, which is void of dimensional qualities. Without something to answer to, without dimension, the entire notion of an audience, or conscience, goes blank and without belief, that's a scary thing as man has observed over and over as a person becomes their own end. Atheism is by its nature sociopathic and dismissive. That is, the habit of treating and seeing all things as subject in combination with a non-dimensional way of assessing the subject is not merely objective, but disconnected, sociopathic. That some scientists are beginning to understand the dangers of artificial intelligence getting out of hand is an example of what I'm trying to say.


If atheists really think this through they will be hard pressed to avoid such a conclusion. There has to be a governing agent over this inclination to subjugate everything, yet that is a human impossibility without God, the existence of conscience. Eventually atheists have to confront their limits and inner conflicts and stop excusing themselves of moral culpability by scapegoating those they view as primitives.

Arguement from morality. Logical fallacy!!!

So, for the purpose of revision, if one refers to God it is assumed that one is speaking of an entity which possesses "aseity"; therefore the question of origin is meaningless, just as Hawking has said about the BB, but Hawking's statement is accepted without further ado, so why not the same treatment when it comes to God?

More Presuppositional Apologetics with special pleading. After all we moved beyond Hawkins original statement years ago: https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-bl ... 7ed0f304a3

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:09 am

ryu wrote:Here are some quotes with my responses (I was blocked from responding)


Hmmmmm.....what's going on here? Are we supposed to follow your travails for some point?

Seems to me.......you need to make a statement, ask a question, tell a funny story....something. but not nothing.

Try again: SAY something.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:15 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: Seems to me.......you need to make a statement, ask a question, tell a funny story....something. but not nothing.


Seems to me we have two people, who know nothing about ancient history have a debate, with each other, about ancient history. Why would anyone want to read that? :D

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:25 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:...SAY something.


I'm shy... :cry:

Spoiler:
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Aztexan » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:40 am

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Angel » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:31 am

There's a huge difference between God
& religion. Mostly the size of those
peoples wasted compared to God's jk lol

God created.
People turned what God created into
a profitable business for the gov's
econ' .
God still creates.
Religious people grow old & die.
God creates more.
Hopefully one day all is gone
except God's creations.
For good. :-)

I don't remember much of my
childhood concerning God other
than I was looking for him.
I trusted him as my life had been
saved so many times. I probably
wanted to thanx him. Give God
the love he gives me. You know ~
"I love him because he loved me first. "
bible.
God is love ~ Life Omega V = point ~ balance Everything . He gave to me & I gave back so
it just keeps going. The more I give ~ the more
I get. This doesn't include money. God has no
money which really bugs me about religious
people saying give us ur money & God will
give u more. It doesn't work that way. Doh
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
Not to exist?
What was the question?

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Azania » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:15 pm

God is just a three letter word, an idea in your mind an arbitrary notion. You can give it any meaning you like, it will be both right and wrong for the simple reason there will always be those who are for him and those who are against him.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Flash » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:36 am

Azania wrote:
God is just a three letter word, an idea in your mind an arbitrary notion. You can give it any meaning you like, it will be both right and wrong for the simple reason there will always be those who are for him and those who are against him.

So is doG. There will always be those who love dogs and those who consider them to be the pesky, overgrown rats.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Aztexan » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:32 am

My neighbor's pesky, overgrown rat never commanded that I kill people.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Azania » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:51 am

Flash wrote:Azania wrote:
God is just a three letter word, an idea in your mind an arbitrary notion. You can give it any meaning you like, it will be both right and wrong for the simple reason there will always be those who are for him and those who are against him.

So is doG. There will always be those who love dogs and those who consider them to be the pesky, overgrown rats.


Exactly my point Flash. Why people put so much emphasis on the name and form is beyond me

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Tom Palven » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:36 am

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby gorgeous » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:01 pm

God is real....God didn't create religions...
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Monster » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:30 pm

gorgeous wrote:God is real....God didn't create religions...

Which god? What is its name? Where does it live?
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Azania » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:54 pm

Tom Palven wrote:Proof that there is no God:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCL4dXUtblg



It's a foregone conclusion. We can say anything we fancy (and we do) in regards to this argument. For how is it even possible for this state of consciousness to know that which was prior to it? We only have the information our brains generate. Anyone who sees it as truth is sadly deluded. A brain can only function in the present.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby gorgeous » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:14 pm

we are more than a brain and a body...people who have near death experiences often meet God...A Presence, not seen..they learn God is in everyone, everything and everywhere.....I have had dreams of my future which came true , others do also....all time is simultaneous and we can access the past and future , people who travel out of body have met their more primitive past self and more aware future self often....
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:48 pm

Yeah, just like so many others operating with a chemically "enhanced" brain.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby HappyFlappyTheist » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:36 pm

gorgeous wrote:we are more than a brain and a body...people who have near death experiences often meet God...A Presence, not seen..they learn God is in everyone, everything and everywhere.....I have had dreams of my future which came true , others do also....all time is simultaneous and we can access the past and future , people who travel out of body have met their more primitive past self and more aware future self often....


Using anecdotal experiences as a form of apologetics is never very effective.
I agree with the general gist that you're getting at (i.e., a personal experience with God testifies to his reality) but using said experiences as a way of arguing for his existence is philosophically lacking.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby HappyFlappyTheist » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:53 pm

Angel wrote:There's a huge difference between God
& religion. Mostly the size of those
peoples wasted compared to God's jk lol

God created.
People turned what God created into
a profitable business for the gov's
econ' .
God still creates.
Religious people grow old & die.
God creates more.
Hopefully one day all is gone
except God's creations.
For good. :-)

I don't remember much of my
childhood concerning God other
than I was looking for him.
I trusted him as my life had been
saved so many times. I probably
wanted to thanx him. Give God
the love he gives me. You know ~
"I love him because he loved me first. "
bible.
God is love ~ Life Omega V = point ~ balance Everything . He gave to me & I gave back so
it just keeps going. The more I give ~ the more
I get. This doesn't include money. God has no
money which really bugs me about religious
people saying give us ur money & God will
give u more. It doesn't work that way. Doh


If you're actually trying to say that belief, especially in a dogmatic belief system like Christianity, is not a Religion, that's just plain ignorant. Those claiming to be "relational not religious" are simply attempting to divert criticism that is normally attributed to their faith. You can rail on certain denominations for the perversion of your religion all you want, but again, denying you're religious because you disagree with with the actions of these denominations is entirely illogical. If you hold to the central tenants of Christianity you are by definition religious and part of a religion.

Also, "God has not money." Sure, God has no money. God also ordered the construction of a multi-billion dollar temple (a temple plated with gold) in 1 Kings. Who constructed this temple? The jewish religion did!

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Angel » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:34 pm

HappyFlappyTheist wrote:
Angel wrote:There's a huge difference between God
& religion. Mostly the size of those
peoples wasted compared to God's jk lol

God created.
People turned what God created into
a profitable business for the gov's
econ' .
God still creates.
Religious people grow old & die.
God creates more.
Hopefully one day all is gone
except God's creations.
For good. :-)

I don't remember much of my
childhood concerning God other
than I was looking for him.
I trusted him as my life had been
saved so many times. I probably
wanted to thanx him. Give God
the love he gives me. You know ~
"I love him because he loved me first. "
bible.
God is love ~ Life Omega V = point ~ balance Everything . He gave to me & I gave back so
it just keeps going. The more I give ~ the more
I get. This doesn't include money. God has no
money which really bugs me about religious
people saying give us ur money & God will
give u more. It doesn't work that way. Doh


If you're actually trying to say that belief, especially in a dogmatic belief system like Christianity, is not a Religion, that's just plain ignorant. Those claiming to be "relational not religious" are simply attempting to divert criticism that is normally attributed to their faith. You can rail on certain denominations for the perversion of your religion all you want, but again, denying you're religious because you disagree with with the actions of these denominations is entirely illogical. If you hold to the central tenants of Christianity you are by definition religious and part of a religion.

Also, "God has not money." Sure, God has no money. God also ordered the construction of a multi-billion dollar temple (a temple plated with gold) in 1 Kings. Who constructed this temple? The jewish religion did!


Religion relies on numbers where as
belief come with one experience.
Unless u r a doubting Thomas?
I'm not looking for followers to
enhance my belief. I believe
because I experience. Have you ever
been at peace in the presence of fright?
Where something that should send you
running doesn't. As if you r not really there
yet you r ~ let's say a snake is at ur feet ~
you feel nothing as you observe it pass
by. It notices u r there and scurries off.
I hold to and am not tied to any religion.
I don't even do anything religiously.
Do it right the first time & u don't have
to do it again. Do it wrong the first time
and do something different to get it right.
Just because people say they r doing
something for God or in the name of...
doesn't really mean they r. Do you make your
family ~ your enemy just because they r
the enemy of ur lover?
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
Not to exist?
What was the question?

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby HappyFlappyTheist » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:48 pm

Angel wrote:
HappyFlappyTheist wrote:
Angel wrote:There's a huge difference between God
& religion. Mostly the size of those
peoples wasted compared to God's jk lol

God created.
People turned what God created into
a profitable business for the gov's
econ' .
God still creates.
Religious people grow old & die.
God creates more.
Hopefully one day all is gone
except God's creations.
For good. :-)

I don't remember much of my
childhood concerning God other
than I was looking for him.
I trusted him as my life had been
saved so many times. I probably
wanted to thanx him. Give God
the love he gives me. You know ~
"I love him because he loved me first. "
bible.
God is love ~ Life Omega V = point ~ balance Everything . He gave to me & I gave back so
it just keeps going. The more I give ~ the more
I get. This doesn't include money. God has no
money which really bugs me about religious
people saying give us ur money & God will
give u more. It doesn't work that way. Doh


If you're actually trying to say that belief, especially in a dogmatic belief system like Christianity, is not a Religion, that's just plain ignorant. Those claiming to be "relational not religious" are simply attempting to divert criticism that is normally attributed to their faith. You can rail on certain denominations for the perversion of your religion all you want, but again, denying you're religious because you disagree with with the actions of these denominations is entirely illogical. If you hold to the central tenants of Christianity you are by definition religious and part of a religion.

Also, "God has not money." Sure, God has no money. God also ordered the construction of a multi-billion dollar temple (a temple plated with gold) in 1 Kings. Who constructed this temple? The jewish religion did!


Religion relies on numbers where as
belief come with one experience.
Unless u r a doubting Thomas?
I'm not looking for followers to
enhance my belief. I believe
because I experience. Have you ever
been at peace in the presence of fright?
Where something that should send you
running doesn't. As if you r not really there
yet you r ~ let's say a snake is at ur feet ~
you feel nothing as you observe it pass
by. It notices u r there and scurries off.
I hold to and am not tied to any religion.
I don't even do anything religiously.
Do it right the first time & u don't have
to do it again. Do it wrong the first time
and do something different to get it right.
Just because people say they r doing
something for God or in the name of...
doesn't really mean they r. Do you make your
family ~ your enemy just because they r
the enemy of ur lover?



1) What's up with the Haiku format?

2) Why did you feel obligated to write semi-motivational quotes mid-post?

3) Why am I a doubting Thomas?

4) No, religion is not defined by numbers or money. Here is the definition of religion: "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."

5) Anecdotal experiences carry no persuasive power in debate.

6) "Do you make your family ~ your enemy just because they r the enemy of ur lover?"
I don't know what you're asking and I'm even less sure of its relevance.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:52 pm

HappyFlappyTheist wrote:1) What's up with the Haiku format? .

Its not.

I went to Youtube. THAT Mr Intelligent Design???? He so stupid, what did you debate him about???? Can you link to what you think is the "best" of it? Designers aren't usually that far from Theists....unless Happy Flappy turns that around?
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby HappyFlappyTheist » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:00 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
HappyFlappyTheist wrote:1) What's up with the Haiku format? .

Its not.

I went to Youtube. THAT Mr Intelligent Design???? He so stupid, what did you debate him about???? Can you link to what you think is the "best" of it? Designers aren't usually that far from Theists....unless Happy Flappy turns that around?


Where to begin......

"Haiku format" is obviously a joke and a reference to the odd, list-like paragraph I quoted.

In regards to our dear friend MrIntelligentDesign, I suppose I should clarify when using sarcasm. Apologizes.

Yes, HappyFlappy turns it around.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Angel » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:15 pm

HappyFlappyTheist wrote:
Angel wrote:
HappyFlappyTheist wrote:
Angel wrote:There's a huge difference between God
& religion. Mostly the size of those
peoples wasted compared to God's jk lol

God created.
People turned what God created into
a profitable business for the gov's
econ' .
God still creates.
Religious people grow old & die.
God creates more.
Hopefully one day all is gone
except God's creations.
For good. :-)

I don't remember much of my
childhood concerning God other
than I was looking for him.
I trusted him as my life had been
saved so many times. I probably
wanted to thanx him. Give God
the love he gives me. You know ~
"I love him because he loved me first. "
bible.
God is love ~ Life Omega V = point ~ balance Everything . He gave to me & I gave back so
it just keeps going. The more I give ~ the more
I get. This doesn't include money. God has no
money which really bugs me about religious
people saying give us ur money & God will
give u more. It doesn't work that way. Doh


If you're actually trying to say that belief, especially in a dogmatic belief system like Christianity, is not a Religion, that's just plain ignorant. Those claiming to be "relational not religious" are simply attempting to divert criticism that is normally attributed to their faith. You can rail on certain denominations for the perversion of your religion all you want, but again, denying you're religious because you disagree with with the actions of these denominations is entirely illogical. If you hold to the central tenants of Christianity you are by definition religious and part of a religion.

Also, "God has not money." Sure, God has no money. God also ordered the construction of a multi-billion dollar temple (a temple plated with gold) in 1 Kings. Who constructed this temple? The jewish religion did!


Religion relies on numbers where as
belief come with one experience.
Unless u r a doubting Thomas?
I'm not looking for followers to
enhance my belief. I believe
because I experience. Have you ever
been at peace in the presence of fright?
Where something that should send you
running doesn't. As if you r not really there
yet you r ~ let's say a snake is at ur feet ~
you feel nothing as you observe it pass
by. It notices u r there and scurries off.
I hold to and am not tied to any religion.
I don't even do anything religiously.
Do it right the first time & u don't have
to do it again. Do it wrong the first time
and do something different to get it right.
Just because people say they r doing
something for God or in the name of...
doesn't really mean they r. Do you make your
family ~ your enemy just because they r
the enemy of ur lover?



1) What's up with the Haiku format?

~<( why is my writing called that? )>~

2) Why did you feel obligated to write semi-motivational quotes mid-post?

~<( did I do that? Where? )>~

3) Why am I a doubting Thomas?

~<( you tell me )>~

4) No, religion is not defined by numbers or money. Here is the definition of religion: "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."

~<( who's definition? Majority rules? )>~


5) Anecdotal experiences carry no persuasive power in debate.

~<( please define ~ anecdotal )>~

6) "Do you make your family ~ your enemy just because they r the enemy of ur lover?"
I don't know what you're asking and I'm even less sure of its relevance.


~<(There you go doubting God's words lol )>~
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Not to be live?
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Azania » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:18 pm

gorgeous wrote:we are more than a brain and a body...people who have near death experiences often meet God...A Presence, not seen..they learn God is in everyone, everything and everywhere.....I have had dreams of my future which came true , others do also....all time is simultaneous and we can access the past and future , people who travel out of body have met their more primitive past self and more aware future self often....



We are nothing but consciousness. Of course we can access the past and future because it is just an idea in the mind which is of course present, only you are more often than not absent minded. Whatever ideas you have of the past and future you bring into the present because that is all there is. All that you think happens to the various states of mind and whatever goes on in your mind has nothing to do with the present . The idea of God is in your own consciousness and so is everybody else, hence the reason out of body experiences and near deaths are so familiar to you. The same thing can be said of God he is in everything and everywhere because your consciousness is in everything and everywhere. I see you have mentioned the self. The past self and the future self is how you imagine your own self. How many selves do you think there are? There is only one self seen as many as a reflection in your mind.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:07 pm

Happy Flappy:

A Haiku has nothing to do with lists. Neither in style, structure or subject which are highly formal. What it is obviously...is an error. People who can't admit to errors.........are nothing but Flappy.

So...no direct link to the best of your engagement with MR ID?
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby HappyFlappyTheist » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:23 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Happy Flappy:

A Haiku has nothing to do with lists. Neither in style, structure or subject which are highly formal. What it is obviously...is an error. People who can't admit to errors.........are nothing but Flappy.

So...no direct link to the best of your engagement with MR ID?


Okay. I should've asked: "why do you have 8 words on every line?" I didn't think my meaning was that difficult to read into.
But yes, thou art correct. Luckily, my ego isn't attached to my intricate knowledge of poetic forms.

ah... MrID. My entire post was sarcasm. It wasn't an interesting conversation at all. There is no content worth discussing.
Here's the link since you're so insistent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Ctpfg80oY
I don't know how to link to the specific conversation so you'll have to scroll around a bit. He uses the same username.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:04 pm

HappyFlappyTheist wrote:...God also ordered the construction of a multi-billion dollar temple (a temple plated with gold) in 1 Kings. Who constructed this temple?...


The Mormons did!

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:45 am

Azania wrote:We are nothing but consciousness.
No. Simply because unconscious people still exist. :D

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:53 am

HappyFlappyTheist wrote:Okay. I should've asked: "why do you have 8 words on every line?" I didn't think my meaning was that difficult to read into.
Total BS answer. You are of the type that does not take responsibility/learn from your own mistakes. That means.......you don't have much to offer. Contra: you did the minimum which was to atleast admit to the obvious. Too many cna't even do that...but its the smallest of first steps.

HappyFlappyTheist wrote: Luckily, my ego isn't attached to my intricate knowledge of poetic forms.
Can you flag future postings on subjects you have little to no actual knowledge of?......or maybe the reverse to save everyone time?

HappyFlappyTheist wrote:ah... MrID. My entire post was sarcasm. It wasn't an interesting conversation at all.
And yet you burden us with it? No need for the link from your own corrected description.

"Its Flappy all the way down." I do hope you decide to do better.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Angel » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:03 am

HappyFlappyTheist wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Happy Flappy:

A Haiku has nothing to do with lists. Neither in style, structure or subject which are highly formal. What it is obviously...is an error. People who can't admit to errors.........are nothing but Flappy.

So...no direct link to the best of your engagement with MR ID?


Okay. I should've asked: "why do you have 8 words on every line?" I didn't think my meaning was that difficult to read into.
But yes, thou art correct. Luckily, my ego isn't attached to my intricate knowledge of poetic forms.

ah... MrID. My entire post was sarcasm. It wasn't an interesting conversation at all. There is no content worth discussing.
Here's the link since you're so insistent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Ctpfg80oY
I don't know how to link to the specific conversation so you'll have to scroll around a bit. He uses the same username.


Really? 8 words on every line?
How interesting. It didn't cross my
mind when I was doing it. lol
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Angel » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:06 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Azania wrote:We are nothing but consciousness.
No. Simply because unconscious people still exist. :D


How do you decide when and if
they are unconscious ? They may be
just ignoring you.
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To believe or
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To be live or
Not to be live?
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Re: Arguing against religion

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scrmbldggs wrote:
HappyFlappyTheist wrote:...God also ordered the construction of a multi-billion dollar temple (a temple plated with gold) in 1 Kings. Who constructed this temple?...


The Mormons did!

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This is an interesting place~
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Azania » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:11 am

Angel wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Azania wrote:We are nothing but consciousness.
No. Simply because unconscious people still exist. :D


How do you decide when and if
they are unconscious ? They may be
just ignoring you.


It is not that they are unconscious or ignoring you because the idea of a state of unconsciousness and ignorance is in consciousness. Like I said you are only consciousness and everything and everywhere is in your consciousness. From the perspective of the unconscious it is just a lapse in memory that is all. If you have been unconscious yourself you remember nothing of it. All that the others can say about it is that you were unresponsive. To you it was just a blank. Do realise we function totally out of our memory, when this memory totally fails or blanks out we call it unconsciousness, when it partially fails and we can no longer recall the content or the information that the consciousness has recorded to memory we call it Alzheimer's or dementia. The moment the consciousness sprouts it is recording information from its environment, it mirrors everything and everything is mirrored in memory, all that you think you know is merely a collections of images that the consciousness has been recording but what happens in real life is not contained in the memory of consciousness it happens spontaneously in the now.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Lausten » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:39 pm

..all that you think you know is merely a collections of images that the consciousness has been recording but what happens in real life is not contained in the memory of consciousness it happens spontaneously in the now.

Wow, the incoherent explainers of reality have attracted two more incoherent explainers of reality. Thanks for the morning chuckle y'all.

Amazing how these explanations of what "is" eventually come around to reflecting the natural explanation of the world. What else could our thoughts be except collections of what we perceive? And what else could the world be except that which happens?
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Angel » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:23 pm

Azania wrote:
Angel wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Azania wrote:We are nothing but consciousness.
No. Simply because unconscious people still exist. :D


How do you decide when and if
they are unconscious ? They may be
just ignoring you.


It is not that they are unconscious or ignoring you because the idea of a state of unconsciousness and ignorance is in consciousness. Like I said you are only consciousness and everything and everywhere is in your consciousness. From the perspective of the unconscious it is just a lapse in memory that is all. If you have been unconscious yourself you remember nothing of it. All that the others can say about it is that you were unresponsive. To you it was just a blank. Do realise we function totally out of our memory, when this memory totally fails or blanks out we call it unconsciousness, when it partially fails and we can no longer recall the content or the information that the consciousness has recorded to memory we call it Alzheimer's or dementia. The moment the consciousness sprouts it is recording information from its environment, it mirrors everything and everything is mirrored in memory, all that you think you know is merely a collections of images that the consciousness has been recording but what happens in real life is not contained in the memory of consciousness it happens spontaneously in the now.


If I am only consciousness then how can I be
unconscious ?
Speak for your own experiences ~ they can toss me around and not get a response but
I remember things from where I go from
my body. Amazzzzzing things!!!!

Like now?
And now?
And now?
I remember typing that and even what
I'm going to type next but it is only in the now?
Memory is now. Consciousness is always. One.
Divided = fail. Multiplied is many of one.
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Angel » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:25 pm

Lausten wrote:
..all that you think you know is merely a collections of images that the consciousness has been recording but what happens in real life is not contained in the memory of consciousness it happens spontaneously in the now.

Wow, the incoherent explainers of reality have attracted two more incoherent explainers of reality. Thanks for the morning chuckle y'all.

Amazing how these explanations of what "is" eventually come around to reflecting the natural explanation of the world. What else could our thoughts be except collections of what we perceive? And what else could the world be except that which happens?


It's the whirl wind & if you can't handle
the storm ~ get out of the eye. ;)
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Lausten » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:59 pm

Angel wrote:
Lausten wrote:
..all that you think you know is merely a collections of images that the consciousness has been recording but what happens in real life is not contained in the memory of consciousness it happens spontaneously in the now.

Wow, the incoherent explainers of reality have attracted two more incoherent explainers of reality. Thanks for the morning chuckle y'all.

Amazing how these explanations of what "is" eventually come around to reflecting the natural explanation of the world. What else could our thoughts be except collections of what we perceive? And what else could the world be except that which happens?


It's the whirl wind & if you can't handle
the storm ~ get out of the eye. ;)

You are at the top of the list of incoherent explainers. I hope you have a nice harmless job, like salesperson at Wild Birds Unlimited or something.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Angel » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:12 pm

Lausten wrote:
Angel wrote:
Lausten wrote:
..all that you think you know is merely a collections of images that the consciousness has been recording but what happens in real life is not contained in the memory of consciousness it happens spontaneously in the now.

Wow, the incoherent explainers of reality have attracted two more incoherent explainers of reality. Thanks for the morning chuckle y'all.

Amazing how these explanations of what "is" eventually come around to reflecting the natural explanation of the world. What else could our thoughts be except collections of what we perceive? And what else could the world be except that which happens?


It's the whirl wind & if you can't handle
the storm ~ get out of the eye. ;)

You are at the top of the list of incoherent explainers. I hope you have a nice harmless job, like salesperson at Wild Birds Unlimited or something.


Aren't you nice :-)
Top of the list lol

You must not pay much attention around
here though~ I don't have a job.
I don't have a place to live.
I don't have anything but a child &
a dog.

I was looking for my flame thrower that I won
on here ~ some time ago and found this~
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Nothing ever gets anywhere around here. :roll: :lol:
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Lausten » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:02 pm

Angel wrote:You must not pay much attention around

Oh, you think "paying attention" means "reading your posts". That's cute.
Even if I had read that in the midst of your pseudo-haikus, I wouldn't have believed it or bothered committing it to memory.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Postby Azania » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:47 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Azania wrote:We are nothing but consciousness.
No. Simply because unconscious people still exist. :D


Yes they do, in consciousness, hence the reason why I say we are only consciousness, there is only consciousness. Unconsciousness is a misnomer, it is just a word we use because in common parlance the state which we call unconsciousness is misunderstood.


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