Could there, would there……..

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Could there, would there……..

Postby nmblum88 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:46 pm

…. be a Trump, if there weren't the rest of us?
When to the WE become THEM?

This, from a friend in Hamburg, not only an effective piece of theater, but a lesson in history and its inevitable repetitions wherever there are humans desperate for simple answers to difficult questions to allay our insecurities, their terrors of events seemingly beyond our control.

You don't really have to know German to get the point, but for an English translation, please click on the video:


http://mobil.mopo.de/news/promi-show/-be-deutsch---jan-boehmermann-zeigt--wie-deutschland-wirklich-ist---im-rammstein-style--23810166?originalReferrer=&dmcid=sm_fb_p

Perhaps we ALL long for Fascism, someone, anyone, to tell us what we want to hear, even as s/he gazes upon us with utter contempt for our credulity and our eternal longing for the infallible father who makes us feel as if there is a pilot at the helm of our existence.

Read it and weep.

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Re: Could there, would there……..

Postby nmblum88 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:01 pm

And by the way, for those who find the German of 2015 too harsh, there is a more amenable, purely American version, of relatively recent vintage:.
That extraordinary piece of musical theater based on Christopher Isherwood's "Berlin Stories.."
The saga of his observations of the inevitable during the last "WHAT, ME WORRY?" desperate, tragic and ominous days of the Weimar Republic….
set to music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlB8RAJEEc

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Postby gorgeous » Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:08 pm

There is a difference between Trump and Hitler.......the Jews in Germany were not pledging to God to kill as many Americans or others as possible...while there are Radicalized Muslims pledging to Allah to kill as many Americans and others as possible.......and wasn't Obama the great Savior who was going to take care of everyone?
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Re: Could there, would there……..

Postby Poodle » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:03 pm

gorgeous wrote:There is a difference between Trump and Hitler.......


DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND ADOLF HITLER

1. Donald does not have a moustache.
2. Donald cannot speak German.
3.


errrmmmm ... Help me out here, please.

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Re: Could there, would there……..

Postby nmblum88 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:03 pm

Just to be clear - this in not an invitation to a debate" both on my own behalf and that of the friend who sent me the reference as well as the Germans who are looking at us aghast at what they see and hear: neither *I* nor the article compared Trump to HItler.
Not at all and never.
Not here, and not in any conversation I have ever engaged in on this subject…..ever.

Trump is not Hitler: resurrection is a religious construct and not an historical or political one.
NO one is Hitler except Hitler and he is dead.
But the specter of the way charlatans come to power with the collusion of those who go against their own interests on behalf of the powerful who despise them is clear enough.
The comparison is between the USA now and the fading of the tragic Weimar that led to the power of the National Socialists and their more than amenable political allies.

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Postby nmblum88 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:15 pm

Poodle wrote:
gorgeous wrote:There is a difference between Trump and Hitler.......


DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND ADOLF HITLER

1. Donald does not have a moustache.
2. Donald cannot speak German.
3.


errrmmmm ... Help me out here, please.


You shouldn't be having a conversation with anyone who needs that level of help.
And neither should I.
But then….. hey… I would have to get up and vacuum.
You, Poodle, on the other hand could be consulting your "Collected Words and Wisdom of Lord Haw-Haw."

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P.S. Trump cannot speak English either…. and I have to say that it gives me inordinate… unseemly… pleasure in seeing his followers pretending to understand the bizarre language that he DOES speak.
Mostly because it is pure New Yorkese: my own beloved mother tongue!!
And the thought of my mother tongue becoming the national language fills me joy!!
Does anyone else in America… end every fragment of thought that occurs in a monologue with "Are you kidding me?"
As in "we will be so great, and so rich, and so strong…!! Are you kidding me?"
The derivation of this is unknown…. in contrast to the "shiksa" which has rolled off your own tongue with such grace…
Almost as if you had been hanging out in Golder's Green."
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Re: Could there, would there……..

Postby Lausten » Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:24 am

Trump didn't rise because we "all" want what he has, it was because a minority bought his rhetoric. They don't even know what they want, but the don't like what they are getting and Trump says he isn't that. We shouldn't be looking back so far for an analogy. The UK has a party based on prejudice, so does Finland. We should see how those rose.

I just found "Best of Enemies" on Netflix last night. It's the story of how Buckley and Vidal became the first political theatre. They thought intellectual debate was the way to solve America's differences. But then they tried to win the debate by exposing the weakness of each other, instead of having dialog on the issues. Sound familiar?
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Re: Could there, would there……..

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:51 pm

Hitler wasn't Hitler when he started out either. Closer than Trump, but still not Hitler. Hmmmm, "actually" Trump is kinda exactly like Early Hitler.

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Re: Could there, would there……..

Postby Aztexan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:55 pm

Hitler probably had a shred of decency, a spark of humanity, an iota of relevancy somewhere in there. Donald Trump does not.
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