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I'm now a skeptic

Postby mirror93 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:48 am

Skeptics showed me the non-religious way to life. i was a non-dualist preacher, now I'm free from all religious trash. I'm now a new member of la skeptic famiglia.

I hope Placid, Relinquish95, Shaka, Gorgeous and some other clowns also set themselves free of their false religious dogmas.

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:53 am

mirror93 wrote:Skeptics showed me the non-religious way to life. i was a non-dualist preacher, now I'm free from all religious trash. I'm now a new member of la skeptic famiglia.


Skeptics can't show you to a non-religious way of life. All Skeptics can do is listen to a claim and then assess the evidence.

I think what you are saying is that : You can see the advantages of adopting the scientific method when it comes to assessing data and claims.

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Postby mirror93 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:54 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
mirror93 wrote:Skeptics showed me the non-religious way to life. i was a non-dualist preacher, now I'm free from all religious trash. I'm now a new member of la skeptic famiglia.


Skeptics can't show you to a non-religious way of life. All Skeptics can do is listen to a claim and then assess the evidence.

I think what you are saying is that : You can see the advantages of adopting the scientific method when it comes to assessing data and claims.


yeah, I expressed myself wrong

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:55 am

A religious way of life has a lot going for it. The validity of the underlying belief system has little to do with that.

As Dr Phil so often instructively says: "Do you want to be happy......or do you want to be right."

NOT a scientific question at all.
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Postby Gord » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:56 am

I think we should all be non-duelists.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:42 am

. :duel:
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Lard, save me from your followers.

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Postby Gord » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:21 am

You'll put your eye out!
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Re: I'm now a skeptic

Postby Poodle » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:13 am

mirror93 wrote:Skeptics showed me the non-religious way to life. i was a non-dualist preacher, now I'm free from all religious trash. I'm now a new member of la skeptic famiglia.

I hope Placid, Relinquish95, Shaka, Gorgeous and some other clowns also set themselves free of their false religious dogmas.


What changed your mind, mirror93?

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Re: I'm now a skeptic

Postby mirror93 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:30 pm

Poodle wrote:
mirror93 wrote:Skeptics showed me the non-religious way to life. i was a non-dualist preacher, now I'm free from all religious trash. I'm now a new member of la skeptic famiglia.

I hope Placid, Relinquish95, Shaka, Gorgeous and some other clowns also set themselves free of their false religious dogmas.


What changed your mind, mirror93?


it doesn't make sense anymore.
I was blind but now I see, evolution is true
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Re: I'm now a skeptic

Postby Austin Harper » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:06 pm

You once were lost but now you are found?
Dum ratio nos ducet, valebimus et multa bene geremus.

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Postby mirror93 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:11 pm

Dum ratio nos ducet, valebimus et multa bene geremus.
that's why

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Postby Gord » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:15 pm

Aude, igitur, esse semper idem.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:07 pm

mirror93 wrote:Skeptics showed me the non-religious way to life. i was a non-dualist preacher, now I'm free from all religious trash. I'm now a new member of la skeptic famiglia.

I hope Placid, Relinquish95, Shaka, Gorgeous and some other clowns also set themselves free of their false religious dogmas.
There's a lot to be said for the comfort of religion; it offers an answer to everything without worries. But it cannot be that security blanket while also being factual, and therein lies the problem for the skeptic.

Having always been an apatheist, I never had to experience the emotional change-over you're going through...and it must be extremely difficult, Mirror. I have a great deal of empathy for you. Not only have you changed from believer to skeptic, but theist was actually your way of life, since you were a preacher. If I may, I'd like to make a few suggestions.

Don't blame yourself for your previous beliefs. We are all, at the end of the day, only human. We all make mistakes. I've certainly made my share! And still do. The trick is to learn from our mistakes, move forward without continuing to blame ourselves, and not repeat the same errors.

Don't completely trash your previous beliefs. While quite a lot of negativity has originated from organized religion, faith, in and of itself, has inspired greatness around the world and across cultures. Towering gothic cathedrals. Islamic mosques with intricate, handmade mosaics. The pyramids and stone circles of the world. Handel's Messiah and Bach's Mass in B Minor. Medieval icons. The ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Even an atheist feels awe at experiencing these accomplishments.

Recognize the historicity of religion and myth. It's endlessly fascinating, the ideas that we created to explain natural phenomena prior to science. And those ideas were valuable in their times and places, and still valuable to us now, because they help us to learn about those times and places. Without them, history would be a blank page to us.

Most of all, be at peace with the choice you've made. It will require you to be more self-reliant, knowing that the universe is random, not planned. Revel in the idea that there are unanswered questions; this is not something to fear, but something to rejoice in, because it means there are still things to discover. And enjoy this earthly life! It's pretty damn awesome, even when looked at through the lens of science. Science doesn't detract from the beauty of a rainbow, or the deep awe of a meteor shower. In fact, I happen to think that knowing how these phenomena occur make them even more amazing. Carpe diem et noctem, my friend.
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Postby Monster » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:43 pm

mirror93 wrote:Skeptics showed me the non-religious way to life. i was a non-dualist preacher, now I'm free from all religious trash. I'm now a new member of la skeptic famiglia.

I hope Placid, Relinquish95, Shaka, Gorgeous and some other clowns also set themselves free of their false religious dogmas.

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Re: I'm now a skeptic

Postby OlegTheBatty » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:22 pm

Gord wrote:You'll put your eye out!


Mom never said anything about duelling. With her, it was always "don't run with scissors, you'll put your eye out."

Not a word about duelling.
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Re: I'm now a skeptic

Postby Gord » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:19 pm

Really? My mom warned me about duelling on no less than three separate occasions.

Luckily, I was born with five eyes, so I still have two left.
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:26 pm

Why would she warn you after you put an eye out. Did she hate you?
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Postby Gord » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:27 pm

Well, if she didn't, I have no idea why she kept poking me in the eye with a rapier.
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:47 pm

No wonder she didn't want you duelling while she was soloing.
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Postby Cygnus_X1 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:34 am

mirror93 wrote:Skeptics showed me the non-religious way to life. i was a non-dualist preacher, now I'm free from all religious trash. I'm now a new member of la skeptic famiglia.

I hope Placid, Relinquish95, Shaka, Gorgeous and some other clowns also set themselves free of their false religious dogmas.


You are confusing skepticism with atheism...or 'non religiousness'. The two are not the same, and not necessarily even connected. I know of atheists who believe the world is flat, or that the planet Nibiru exists.

Being a sceptic simply means questioning everything. I doesn't mean you have no beliefs...it means that you recognise that whatever beliefs you do have may be irrational, biased, or whatever, and that humans are complex beings who are quite capable of being 100% rational on everything except their pet belief....and maybe we shouldn't be quite so eager to beat the last vestige of comfort rag out of people.

In my books its OK to believe in crazy things....just as long as you are prepared to concede that they are crazy.
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Postby Gord » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:50 pm

Cygnus_X1 wrote:In my books its OK to believe in crazy things....just as long as you are prepared to concede that they are crazy.

Dude, that's so crazy it just might pork! I think that's the saying. That's the saying, right?
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Re: I'm now a skeptic

Postby mirror93 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:34 pm

This was the best decision I've ever made!!!!! UHU!

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Postby Phoenix76 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:01 am

As aforesaid, atheism is not skepticism.

Atheism, as I have light heartedly put previously, is not believing in a god, the devil, or other things that go bump in the night. But skepticism is the rational questioning of beliefs tended by others.

A skeptic does not necessarily disbelieve everything. In fact, once a skeptic has asked the questions and evaluated the responses, he/she may well believe in god, for example. I believe that a skeptic must rationalise the evidence put forth, and then, perhaps, make a decision as to belief or not.

As I see it, the only similarities between atheists and skeptics, is that the atheist does not believe in anything supernatural, whereas a skeptic, after thorough consideration of the evidence available, may well come to believe in the existence of a god,or some other mystic being. It is not cut and dried.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:56 pm

A skeptic believing in God? ====== Not skeptical enough.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:31 am

As I have said before, it is important to know what kind of skeptic you are. The word skeptic simply means one who doubts. There are philosophical skeptics who doubt everything, whether that doubt is justified or not. I am a scientific skeptic who is focussed on evidence. I judge beliefs on the evidence, and I judge the evidence by whether it is credible, objective, and empirical. In other words, whether it stacks up to the scientific concept of good evidence.

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Postby xouper » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:47 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:As I have said before, it is important to know what kind of skeptic you are. The word skeptic simply means one who doubts. There are philosophical skeptics who doubt everything, whether that doubt is justified or not. I am a scientific skeptic who is focussed on evidence. I judge beliefs on the evidence, and I judge the evidence by whether it is credible, objective, and empirical. In other words, whether it stacks up to the scientific concept of good evidence.


Well said. I do the same thing. We have something in common.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:19 am

I'm not a skeptic. I'm a pragmatist. "If it works..........close enough." I don't really care why. If it doesn't work, I don't really care why.

Now, if there's time to think about it, or just for grins, then some kind of analysis can take place. ALL the evidence, sorted weighed and compared. Nothing need be "believed in" or accepted or rejected. Just: if you want A..... then do B and C. When D works better than C, you start using D.

Simple. Eg: God may exist or not, but Prayer has never worked, so I don't use it. What to do with guns, AGW, fat in your diet, micro-nutrients etc? Literature search and take the majority view. When D becomes the majority view, replace C with it. Truth is the truth...........or does it simply work?
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Re: I'm now a skeptic

Postby Poodle » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:18 am

That looks to me as though you are equating a majority view with the truth, bobbo. Surely not? Not even for a pragtising pragmatist.


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