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RIP James Bond II

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Tue May 23, 2017 4:53 pm

AKA Roger Moore, aka The Saint, for those who remember 1960s television. He did have a youthful look, considering he was well past 50 in his FIRST outing as James Bond, and he went on to make six more Bond movies. You could tell what year it was by counting his liver spots. I liked him, but he and Pierce Brosnan both looked a little too much like lounge lizards to be convincing. Timothy Dalton was too short. Really, Sean Connery and Daniel Craig are the Bond actors I'm sure I couldn't take in a fair fight.
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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby OlegTheBatty » Tue May 23, 2017 5:54 pm

Moore and Brosnan understood that James Bond is a comedy. All the others take it too seriously.
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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed May 24, 2017 12:35 am

It was sad. Roger Moore was actually James Bond III. The Australian actor, George Lazenby was James Bond in OHMSS.

Pierce Brosnan redeemed himself as a realistic evil intelligence officer in The Tailor of Panama.

I'd say the best James Bonds were Sean Connery, Daniel Craig and Peter Sellers.

Peter Sellers was James Bond in an atrociously bad first movie attempt at Casino Royale. There were eight James Bonds in that film and, from memory, a different director for each vignette for each Bond. The movie was awful.

However Peter Sellers had all the right qualities. He was narcissistic, upper class, continuously tricked by beautiful women, a liar and outwitted by the KGB.
:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-m8kcz6Xuc

However, everyone knows that the greatest spy actor, ever, was Sir Alec Guinness, as George Smiley in the BBC's Tinker Tailor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSd1iq25lls

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Re: RIP James Bond II

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Matthew Ellard wrote:Pierce Brosnan redeemed himself by impersonating OlegTheBatty.

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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed May 24, 2017 2:16 am

FYI Upton, Roger Moore was in his early 40's when he started playing Bond. He was 57 for his last Bond movie.

Moore once said that he felt sorry for the female stars of his day, since the male stars were much prettier.

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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Nobrot » Wed May 24, 2017 4:17 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:...However, everyone knows that the greatest spy actor, ever, was Sir Alec Guinness, as George Smiley in the BBC's Tinker Tailor...

Alec Guinness' finest role, an absolute masterpiece.

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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Wed May 24, 2017 2:02 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:It was sad. Roger Moore was actually James Bond III. The Australian actor, George Lazenby was James Bond in OHMSS.

Pierce Brosnan redeemed himself as a realistic evil intelligence officer in The Tailor of Panama.

I'd say the best James Bonds were Sean Connery, Daniel Craig and Peter Sellers.

Peter Sellers was James Bond in an atrociously bad first movie attempt at Casino Royale. There were eight James Bonds in that film and, from memory, a different director for each vignette for each Bond. The movie was awful.

However Peter Sellers had all the right qualities. He was narcissistic, upper class, continuously tricked by beautiful women, a liar and outwitted by the KGB.
:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-m8kcz6Xuc

However, everyone knows that the greatest spy actor, ever, was Sir Alec Guinness, as George Smiley in the BBC's Tinker Tailor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSd1iq25lls


Yes, Lazenby was the one-off. Not sure why it didn't work out for him. He was tall and thin, maybe not tough enough looking. There was a bit of spoofery in it, when Lazenby said in the opening scene, "This never used to happen to that other fellow," the "other fellow being Sean Connery. The first Casino Royale, with David Niven as the authentic Bond had one nice part of irony, in that one of the other Bonds was Ursula Andress (Honey Ryder from "Dr. No").
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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Wed May 24, 2017 2:03 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:FYI Upton, Roger Moore was in his early 40's when he started playing Bond. He was 57 for his last Bond movie.

Moore once said that he felt sorry for the female stars of his day, since the male stars were much prettier.



Thanks for the correction. My memory betrayed me. Moore was born in 1928, and I thought his first Bond movie was "The Spy Who Loved Me" from 1981 or so. But now that I think of it, his debut came in "Live and Let Die." I don't remember what year that was, but it must have been 1975 or 1976.

He also remarked, around the time he made "Octopussy," that he was playing opposite actresses younger than his daughter.
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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu May 25, 2017 12:45 am

Upton_O_Goode wrote: The first Casino Royale, with David Niven as the authentic Bond had one nice part of irony, in that one of the other Bonds was Ursula Andress (Honey Ryder from "Dr. No").


The first version of Casino Royale was a USA live to air TV drama in 1954 and James Bond was an American!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztsXWp0nj2c
This separated the screenplay rights for that novel from the rest of the Fleming novels. That's partially why Broccoli & Saltzman did not make a version of Casino Royale as a movie until very recently.

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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Thu May 25, 2017 11:01 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote: The first Casino Royale, with David Niven as the authentic Bond had one nice part of irony, in that one of the other Bonds was Ursula Andress (Honey Ryder from "Dr. No").


The first version of Casino Royale was a USA live to air TV drama in 1954 and James Bond was an American!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztsXWp0nj2c
This separated the screenplay rights for that novel from the rest of the Fleming novels. That's partially why Broccoli & Saltzman did not make a version of Casino Royale as a movie until very recently.



Amazing! The things I learn here, and I thought I knew quite a bit about Bond. (When suffering from insomnia, I focus my mind by reciting the "canon" of 25 movies: 7 with Connery, 1 with Lazenby, 7 with Moore, 2 with Dalton, 4 with Brosnan, and 4 with Craig.)
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George Santayana, "Tipperary" (1918)

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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri May 26, 2017 12:09 am

Upton_O_Goode wrote:Amazing! The things I learn here, and I thought I knew quite a bit about Bond.


I got my first shock when I read the actual original novels. The stories are really normal police-like stories and lifted from other real world normal events. The movies added entire extra science fiction stories.

Dr No in the novels, was simply growing poisonous plants, like the Nazis did, to create sarin from a strain of rice.

Diamonds are forever was simply about smuggling diamonds in coffins by the Mafia as a way of shifting laundered money.

Live and Let die was simply a reworking to Africa as a location, of the dumping of Sth East Asian heroin in the USA at the start of Indochinese wars.

Goldfinger was just a smuggler getting around post war UK decapitalisation laws taking out gold.

Casino Royale is the only "spy story". A KGB payroll officer embezzled some KGB money and spent it at the casino, so the Brits try bankrupt him to get him shot and disrupt the KGB network.

Ian Fleming's endless use of homosexuals, sociopaths and sadists simply mimicked Sir Maurice Oldfield the director of Mi6 who was gay himself and who contracted lots of homosexuals as officers, because they spent their entire life lying and were good at it.
:D

Remakes
If I owned the rights to the novels, I would continue to make the new block buster films, however, I'd go back and remake the original titles as modest budget, film noir, period pieces showing the more realistic police work, in the vain of the movie version of "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold" (1965)
:D

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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Fri May 26, 2017 11:11 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:Amazing! The things I learn here, and I thought I knew quite a bit about Bond.


I got my first shock when I read the actual original novels. The stories are really normal police-like stories and lifted from other real world normal events. The movies added entire extra science fiction stories.

Dr No in the novels, was simply growing poisonous plants, like the Nazis did, to create sarin from a strain of rice.

Diamonds are forever was simply about smuggling diamonds in coffins by the Mafia as a way of shifting laundered money.

Live and Let die was simply a reworking to Africa as a location, of the dumping of Sth East Asian heroin in the USA at the start of Indochinese wars.

Goldfinger was just a smuggler getting around post war UK decapitalisation laws taking out gold.

Casino Royale is the only "spy story". A KGB payroll officer embezzled some KGB money and spent it at the casino, so the Brits try bankrupt him to get him shot and disrupt the KGB network.

Ian Fleming's endless use of homosexuals, sociopaths and sadists simply mimicked Sir Maurice Oldfield the director of Mi6 who was gay himself and who contracted lots of homosexuals as officers, because they spent their entire life lying and were good at it.
:D

Remakes
If I owned the rights to the novels, I would continue to make the new block buster films, however, I'd go back and remake the original titles as modest budget, film noir, period pieces showing the more realistic police work, in the vain of the movie version of "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold" (1965)
:D


Apparently, Fleming really had been a spy and was good at it. I have read Casino Royale, and of course Le Chiffre ("The Cipher"---nice name, and Fleming was good with names) wasn't bankrolling an international terrorist organization; he was simply in debt to the mob. Little details were kept in the movie, like Bond's come-from-behind win at Baccarat. (NOT Texas Hold-'Em, as in the movie---they need an American audience, who would have thought the game was Blackjack. By the way, do you know if the name "Blackjack" is a corruption of "Baccarat"? The thought just now struck me.)

Like you, I think the novels by Le Carré are great, and the movie made of "The Constant Gardener" has the best ending of them all. "Russia House" (Sean Connery again) is another great movie. But "The Spy Who Came In from the Cold" was the all-time champion; back then, I didn't expect the double twist that became obvious when Fiedler was arrested.

But I'm rambling again.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 27, 2017 1:00 am

"The Spy Who Came In from the Cold"===played by Richard Burton, a masterful piece of brooding and melancholy on the screen. Not matched anywhere else.

speaking of Burton...he was on the Rerun of "The Dick Cavett Show"...a four parter showing his common humanity. Ha, ha....and in 2 hours Dickey never asked him what he saw in Elizabeth Taylor...or he did but it was One Q&A about how great an actress she really was.........which is no reason at all to love her.

Anyhoo, since I'm on this side rant..... Cavett's best show so far has been with Orson Wells: an UNCOMMON human. His family story sounds like pure fiction. So glad he had the personality to take advantage of it so.
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Postby Liam Goretzka » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:49 am

Roger´s interpretation of the role is my favorite one. Maybe it's his fun charming... Wel, he is the one I grew up with which makes my judgement subjective.

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Re: RIP James Bond II

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:29 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:Amazing! The things I learn here, and I thought I knew quite a bit about Bond.


I got my first shock when I read the actual original novels. The stories are really normal police-like stories and lifted from other real world normal events. The movies added entire extra science fiction stories.

Dr No in the novels, was simply growing poisonous plants, like the Nazis did, to create sarin from a strain of rice.

Diamonds are forever was simply about smuggling diamonds in coffins by the Mafia as a way of shifting laundered money.

Live and Let die was simply a reworking to Africa as a location, of the dumping of Sth East Asian heroin in the USA at the start of Indochinese wars.

Goldfinger was just a smuggler getting around post war UK decapitalisation laws taking out gold.

Casino Royale is the only "spy story". A KGB payroll officer embezzled some KGB money and spent it at the casino, so the Brits try bankrupt him to get him shot and disrupt the KGB network.

Ian Fleming's endless use of homosexuals, sociopaths and sadists simply mimicked Sir Maurice Oldfield the director of Mi6 who was gay himself and who contracted lots of homosexuals as officers, because they spent their entire life lying and were good at it.
:D

Remakes
If I owned the rights to the novels, I would continue to make the new block buster films, however, I'd go back and remake the original titles as modest budget, film noir, period pieces showing the more realistic police work, in the vain of the movie version of "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold" (1965)
:D



That was me, I read the early novels and marveled how different they were. I found some of them in a used bookstore when I was 12 or so, bought four for a dollar and plowed through them in a weekend.

James Bond was a fixture when I was growing up, network TV ran them (suitably edited) until cable TV and HBO. My dad loved the movies, when video stores came around and we bought our first VCR we used to have "Bond" marathons. That and Dirty Harry.


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