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Postby gorgeous » Mon May 01, 2017 9:58 pm

psychic science is real..as in remote viewing which the CIA admits works....unless science includes the non-physical dimensions and mind abilities it is not really science....-----------NSA Stargate remote viewing file -----PSYCHOENERGETICS RESEARCH
DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
DIRECTORATE FOR SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL INTELLIGENCE
7 August 1984 - 2.00MB (pdf file)


Key highlights from the document are:
------- Psychoenergetics has its place somewhere between psychology and the other social sciences. It has not been reduced to mathematics and there is no physical model, but psychoenergetics does have many characteristics that are common to all science.

The first of these characteristics is replication. If an area of endeavor is to be considered a science, experiments must be replicable. When the results obtained in one laboratory cannot be obtained under the same experimental conditions in other laboratories, the work will be neglected and will be considered to fall outside the parameters of science.

The work in psychoenergetics at SRI has been replicated by several laboratories:
~ Remote Viewing (ESP)
- Princeton University, Princeton, NJ
- Institute for Parapsychology, Durham, NC
- Mundelein College, Chicago, IL
- University of California at Davis, CA
~ Remote Action (psychokinesis)
- Princeton University, Princeton, NJ
- Mind Science Foundation, San Antonio, TX
- Maimonides Medical Center, Brooklyn, NY
- Psychophysical Research Laboratory, Princeton, NJ
- Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
- Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH.

These are all bonafide scientific research and development institutes. In all, there have been 28 formal published replications of the remote viewing work at SRI. Obviously, this phenomenon is not an invention of SRI; it has been duplicated on a number of occasions.


[page 11]
Finally, the ongoing psychoenergetics program at SRI has recently been reviewed by a panel of renowned scientists (see Exhibit 9). Much of what they reported will be covered later in this publication. At this time, we wish to include one quote taken from the publication they prepared regarding their findings on the SRI psychoenergetic research; it bears directly on the question of whether or not psychoenergetics should be considered a science. "The lack of a physical model should not be taken to preclude the existence of the capability to view remote locations."


[page22] onwards:

The CIA was the first organization to fund research. Their program established that:
~ Geographical features can be ascertained with remote viewing.
~ Descriptive aspects of a site are better described than analytical aspects.
~ Operationally-useful information can be obtained.
~ Coordinate and beacon remote viewing can be successful.
~ Standard medical/physiological/psychologicaI screening is not useful.

In 1975, Navelex supported a $74K program which established that physiological correlates to remote viewing exist, but they are weak statistically. From 1976 to 1979, the Air Force supported research that demonstrated;
~ Remote viewing can be used to monitor real-time activities.
~ Accuracy and resolution are not a function of distance.
~ Spatial resolution is accurate down to millimeters.
~ Electrical shielding does not block remote viewing.

MIA was the next organization to enter the research. They supported work that verified that interaction with sensitive electronic equipment can result in significant perturbations from expected behavior.

In AMSAA's program, from 1978 to 1980, it.was proven that site descriptions are of higher quality than location-pinpointing or tracking information.
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Postby gorgeous » Mon May 01, 2017 10:01 pm

Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen is pictured during his appearance before the 9/11 commission on Capitol Hill on March 23, 2004. 'I was impressed with the concept of remote viewing,' Cohen tells 'Newsweek' in an email. Doug Mills/The New York Times/Redux------------------bias shown-------from NSA's Stargate files on Randi----DIA report on the James Randi use of 'plants' in experiments - 1983

"Thus, it is apparent that Mr. Randi has presented an extremely one-sided view of this hoax attempt. He even claims that all parapsychological research is of , questionable value. Most TV and press coverage thus far also reflect these views. As a result, the general public is given highly biased perspectives of this research area in general. This could generate negative reactions toward all parapsychological research, even for those laboratories where controls are tight and where unsolicited subjects are not accepted.

It is clear Mr. Randi is solely interested in promoting his image as a clever magician, and in enhancing his career as a showman, at the expense of reporting accuracy. The use of tactics involving "plants" raises significant ethical issues as well." --------------------------similar with obe training sessions in labs...anyone can learn to do it....as the cases proved...
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Mon May 01, 2017 10:07 pm

You write such hilarious material. I wonder how well you would do with a live audience . . . gorgeous at the Improv!
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Re: "Indigenous science" @ March for Science

Postby gorgeous » Mon May 01, 2017 10:09 pm

how many dimensions are there.?.....is the mind physical? no.....can it stretch and see at far distances? yesssss....as proven^^^^
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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon May 01, 2017 10:12 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:You write spam such hilarious material. I wonder how well you would do with a live audience . . . gorgeous at the Improv!

:-P
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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon May 01, 2017 10:14 pm

...and, georgie, the OP said "Hogwash!", not "Hogwarts"...
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon May 01, 2017 11:45 pm

gorgeous wrote:how many dimensions are there.?....
Ten dimensions plus time. Didn't you know? :D
Superstring theory is a possible unified theory of all fundamental forces, but superstring theory requires a 10 dimensional spacetime

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Re: "Indigenous science" @ March for Science

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon May 01, 2017 11:51 pm

gorgeous wrote:Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen is pictured during his appearance before the 9/11 commission on Capitol Hill on March 23, 2004. 'I was impressed with the concept of remote viewing,' Cohen tells 'Newsweek' in an email.


As per usual, you didn't get one fact right. What year did William Cohen make this statement Gorgeous? It wasn't during the 9/11 hearings, was it? .

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/11/20/meet ... 93004.html

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Re: "Indigenous science" @ March for Science

Postby gorgeous » Mon May 01, 2017 11:59 pm

there are infinite dimensions....how many are we in?
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Postby Pyrrho » Tue May 02, 2017 12:06 am

Locking this topic temporarily in order to split off some posts.
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Postby Pyrrho » Tue May 02, 2017 12:14 am

Leaving this locked because it is mostly copy and paste from elsewhere.
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