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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:21 pm

At one point I owned fifty. More than that is excessive.
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:26 pm

I drink very weak coffee. I trained my taste buds to love it weak a long time ago. I can drink a cup of coffee just before going to bed and sleep like a baby (except with bristles).

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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

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I drank Navy coffee for 20 years. "Drank" was a euphemism, we actually cut off a chunk and chewed on it for four or five hours.
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Postby Rob Lister » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:21 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I drank Navy coffee for 20 years. "Drank" was a euphemism, we actually cut off a chunk and chewed on it for four or five hours.


At least you could chew yours. On our boat we had to send the whole pot to the galley to have it tenderized. Knife wouldn't touch it.

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Postby fromthehills » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:22 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:..... and sleep like a baby.



You mean up every two hours begging for boobies?

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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Postby fromthehills » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:26 am

Rob Lister wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I drank Navy coffee for 20 years. "Drank" was a euphemism, we actually cut off a chunk and chewed on it for four or five hours.


At least you could chew yours. On our boat we had to send the whole pot to the galley to have it tenderized. Knife wouldn't touch it.



Lucky bastards. Army (infantry, I mean) coffee was that little pack of something out of the MRE that you washed down with water from the canteen. And I wish I was BS.

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Postby fromthehills » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:29 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:At one point I owned fifty. More than that is excessive.



Yeah, I own somewhere between one and that.

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Lance Kennedy wrote:..... and sleep like a baby.

You mean up every two hours begging for boobies?

And peeing myself, yes.
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Lance Kennedy wrote:..... and sleep like a baby.

You mean up every two hours begging for boobies?

And peeing myself, yes.




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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I drank Navy coffee for 20 years. "Drank" was a euphemism, we actually cut off a chunk and chewed on it for four or five hours.


At least you could chew yours. On our boat we had to send the whole pot to the galley to have it tenderized. Knife wouldn't touch it.



Lucky bastards. Army (infantry, I mean) coffee was that little pack of something out of the MRE that you washed down with water from the canteen. And I wish I was BS.

I don't know why they don't just put NoDoz in the MREs. I've sent hundreds of boxes of that stuff overseas in the past ten years.
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Postby fromthehills » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:46 pm

You're a good man, Gawd.

I used Copenhagen on night patrols, and guard. It helped. An SF medic gave me something that killed pain and kept me wide awake without shakes one time. I'd like some of that this morning.

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Postby Gord » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:28 pm

fromthehills wrote:An SF medic--

Did he have a sea serpent and a twin brother?
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Gord wrote:
fromthehills wrote:An SF medic--

Did he have a sea serpent and a twin brother?

He had these stone. Each one had a different power...
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Postby fromthehills » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:39 pm

Gord wrote:
fromthehills wrote:An SF medic--

Did he have a sea serpent and a twin brother?


Maybe. I didn't ask. When someone offers you an amphetamine based pain killer, you don't ask about his private life.

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Postby Tom Palven » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:45 pm

Just returned from a trip to the Western Caribbean with the grandkids. Didn't get to Jamaica, but looked for Blue Mountain coffee elsewhere and didn't find it.

In Cartagena, Columbia, we stopped at an upscale coffee store where they pushed a coffee with anasu and manzales, and 100% Columbian Highland Coffee on the label, as being the very best, and was told by the manager that medium roast, medium grind was his favourite. Couldn't find it on the web.

Eleven bucks for an 8.8 ounce bag. Just tried it. It tastes very good, but to me it is no better, no more flavorful or aromatic, than the premium coffees that we can buy here in any grocery store for less than half the price.

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Tom-Palven wrote:Just returned from a trip to the Western Caribbean....

Communism!

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Postby Tom Palven » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:31 pm

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I drank Navy coffee for 20 years. "Drank" was a euphemism, we actually cut off a chunk and chewed on it for four or five hours.


At least you could chew yours. On our boat we had to send the whole pot to the galley to have it tenderized. Knife wouldn't touch it.



I just had a revelation about coffee, remembered the conversation we had here with Ron Jeremy ("Rob Lister") here about coffee, among other things a couple of years ago, and wondered how is his. He had a bad heart attack and may have dropped out of this forum due to that.

So, I googled his name and came up with this.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... -1.2811870

It is nice to see that he is alive and at least well-enough to drive. I hope that he pops in here some time.

As to my revelation. I had been buying more and more expensive coffee and using darker roast to try to get the flavor I wanted, without success,

and just yesterday decided to put 3 scoops of a lighter roast, New England Breakfast Blend into the machine instead of the recommended 2, and voila!

I think answer found me. Simple as that. It's real good!
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:38 pm

I'm coming up against a coffee limit as well when putting instant coffee into a double cappuccino. Maybe...I need to learn to drink black coffee instead of with milk? Its interesting what we get used to...I still have to water down my tea if I brew it too strong. Whats up with that?

I roasted my own beans for awhile (easy with a hot air popcorn maker) and found the darker roasts did give me what I wanted.

I wonder "what" that taste is?
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My K-cup machine came with a basket that holds twice the coffee grounds of a commercial K-cup container. I use Folger's Black Silk when I want to buzz out.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:22 pm

I almost bought some black silk. I will next time. I've thought about trying "Peets" coffee as well. It wins a lot of reviews....and friends in San Fran rave about it compared to Starbucks. I always think: its too expensive, even for a junky...who am I kidding?
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Friend of mine brought civet coffee beans from Indonesia (collected by his family).

Seriously, not worth the hype.
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No {!#%@}.
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ElectricMonk wrote:Friend of mine brought civet coffee beans from Indonesia (collected by his family).

Seriously, not worth the hype.

"What kind of {!#%@} is this?"

"Expensive."
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:42 pm

The kind of coffee you enjoy is purely a matter of personal taste. However, it can also be a trap. If standard coffee seems bland, you switch to stronger stuff. That is a route to drinking ultra strong stuff that is no longer a drink - just a drug hit.

I realised all that 40 years ago, and switched to drinking ultra weak coffee. For a couple months it tasted awful, but I persisted. Then it became nice again. I continue to drink ultra weak coffee and enjoy it. I feel sorry for those people who have to poison themselves with very strong brews.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:47 pm

Lance: good idea. I wonder if it would work though.... although that is what "fasting" is about...variously. I did the same thing years ago reading about salt in food. I cut it out and after a few months I could not eat standard green beans in a can...had to rinse them off. Same with a few other soups and beans...just way too much salt...same with sugar.

I don't detect any "high" nor any withdrawal from coffee drinking. Just the taste is what I'm conscious of and concerned about. Maybe so. Its why I have incorporated tea in my routine as an alternative. My mix is equal parts black tea, green tea, and hibiscus. Quite refreshing and lots of different anti-oxidents....but I drink it for flavor.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:24 pm

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It definitely works. It requires that magic ingredient, though. Self discipline.

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Lance Kennedy wrote:The kind of coffee you enjoy is purely a matter of personal taste. However, it can also be a trap. If standard coffee seems bland, you switch to stronger stuff. That is a route to drinking ultra strong stuff that is no longer a drink - just a drug hit.

I realised all that 40 years ago, and switched to drinking ultra weak coffee. For a couple months it tasted awful, but I persisted. Then it became nice again. I continue to drink ultra weak coffee and enjoy it. I feel sorry for those people who have to poison themselves with very strong brews.


I do the same thing - drinking twice the amount of water used to make the coffee in comparison to others. `Regular` coffee is too strong for me.

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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:41 pm

Here in Melbourne we have a world-renowned 'coffee culture'. It's not too far of a stretch to suggest that we have perfected coffee. It's very difficult to find a decent coffee outside of Melbourne. And you don't go to any of those Yanky chain brands that serve scoops of scalding dishwater.

My problem, tho', is I stopped drinking coffee several months ago, so my tolerance has worn off. Now if I drink a coffee, it keeps me awake for two days.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:23 pm

Ha! I've just read the whole thread. I keep saying I've stopped the coffee, and when I drink it after months, it keeps me awake for days. At least I'm consistent.

I should probably also learn from my mistakes.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:42 pm

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Do what I do. Drink very weak coffee. If you have desensitised your body, you will love it one quarter strength. That way you can have your cup and not stay awake. Coffee is now recognised as a health drink. Up to 5 cups per day of standard strength coffee is associated with lower rates of type II diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimers. If you enjoy it and do not exceed that 5 cups, it is good for you.

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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:13 pm

Yeah, nah. I only drink it strong, hot, and sweet. Just like me. ;)

Otherwise, what's the point? Might as well drink bidet water.

When I do drink it, I only have one double-shot flat white in the morning (maybe a cappuccino or latte). No more, and none after noon.

More than that, even when I'm used to it, causes jitters, sweats, heart palpitations, sleep disturbance, and even nausea. Maybe I'm just more sensitive to caffeine than the normal bell curve.

I love coffee, but I have to use it carefully.
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As an aside, tea has quite a bit of caffeine as well. About 80% as coffee per cup.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:32 pm

Actually, MM, that is incorrect. Dried tea has as much caffeine as dried coffee, which is why that myth occurs. But when you make a cup to drink, the amount of caffeine per 100 mls of liquid tea is about 20% of the amount per 100 mls of liquid coffee. Drinking tea involves ingestion of far less caffeine.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:49 pm

My mother kept her slight/slim build into her 80's and death. She only drank....plain tap water. Gave up coffee on advice of her doctor and never asked about tea. Luckily our city water from wells here is pretty good. I had conflicting feelings in making her a cappuccino every day...she protested at first but then admitted she liked it. The pro's and con's of everything: I'm glad she died of cancer, and not a heart attack....
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:57 pm

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Coffee which is not drunk to excess, is good for you. It will, on average, increase life span.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:06 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:Bobbo

Coffee which is not drunk to excess, is good for you. It will, on average, increase life span.


I track that issue closely and over the years its gone back and forth. I agree.... about 3 years ago the advice shifted to the pro category. Tea has always gotten high marks. Thats why I drink both RATHER THAN just plain tap water.

Mom was a model for us all. She liked chocolate. She would treat herself to 4 or 5 of those little chips used in cookies. She never said anything, but looked disgusted at her kiddies who would consume a handful of "kisses" or whole chocolate bars or worse candy bars. Simple bed rock woman. I read an adventure novel once about a French Cave and Explorer and he had the same philosopy...eating very sparingly. "Once you have the taste of the food in your mouth...adding more, adds nothing." Words to live by......if I weren't a glutton.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:28 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:Actually, MM, that is incorrect. Dried tea has as much caffeine as dried coffee, which is why that myth occurs. But when you make a cup to drink, the amount of caffeine per 100 mls of liquid tea is about 20% of the amount per 100 mls of liquid coffee. Drinking tea involves ingestion of far less caffeine.

Citations needed.

I've extracted and purified caffeine crystals from tea, using some rather dangerous acid. I was a chemist, once upon a time. It's not a myth if it's true.

I suppose you mean the emulsion, like you'd drink. But that depends on a lot of things like brand, variety, and steeping time. And if they've added caffeine.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:30 pm

Not a chemist, but I did understand Lance to say the stuff Brits choke down has less caffeine than the dried tea.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:55 pm

Well, the Brits never don't have a cuppa tea in their hand, unless it's a pint of ale.
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