The Economy of Heating Water

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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:08 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:Well, the Brits never don't have a cuppa tea in their hand, unless it's a pint of ale.

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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:20 pm

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Sure. I understand how you extract caffeine from tea. As I said, the dried leaf has as much as dried coffee has. But you do not drink tea leaves. (Well, not mostly). The part you drink, which is hot water containing EXTRACT from tea leaves has relatively little caffeine.

Not that it matters too much. Caffeine in small amounts is not highly toxic. If you drink lots of caffeine rich 'energy drinks' or very strong coffee, it can be in sufficient dose to be harmful. Any cold drink that lists guarana in its ingredients is likely to have too much caffeine. But not in normal tea or normal coffee.

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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:28 pm

Dried or not, who in their right mind would have guano in thei.... nvrmd... there's the chivetists. :-P
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:37 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Dried or not, who in their right mind would have guano in thei.... nvrmd... there's the chivetists. :-P

Ever drank the coffee the USN serves on the mess decks?
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:40 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Dried or not, who in their right mind would have guano in thei.... nvrmd... there's the chivetists. :-P

Ever drank the coffee the USN serves on the mess decks?

Can't say I have, but it sounds messy.
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:43 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
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scrmbldggs wrote:Dried or not, who in their right mind would have guano in thei.... nvrmd... there's the chivetists. :-P

Ever drank the coffee the USN serves on the mess decks?

Can't say I have, but it sounds messy.

When you're going on a six hour watch you cut off a piece and chew it for the duration of the watch. Then you go up to the mess decks and spit it out into the coffee pot. DO NOT spit it overboard, it's been known to make it to land and attack people on the beaches.
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by TJrandom » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:47 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:Well, the Brits never don't have a cuppa tea in their hand, unless it's a pint of ale.


... which tastes like tea.... :evil:

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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:58 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
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scrmbldggs wrote:Dried or not, who in their right mind would have guano in thei.... nvrmd... there's the chivetists. :-P

Ever drank the coffee the USN serves on the mess decks?

Can't say I have, but it sounds messy.

When you're going on a six hour watch you cut off a piece and chew it for the duration of the watch. Then you go up to the mess decks and spit it out into the coffee pot. DO NOT spit it overboard, it's been known to make it to land and attack people on the beaches.

:lol: That sounds like my kinda cuppa Joe. Looks like I missed out big time!
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:59 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Dried or not, who in their right mind would have guano in thei.... nvrmd... there's the chivetists. :-P

Ever drank the coffee the USN serves on the mess decks?

Can't say I have, but it sounds messy.

When you're going on a six hour watch you cut off a piece and chew it for the duration of the watch. Then you go up to the mess decks and spit it out into the coffee pot. DO NOT spit it overboard, it's been known to make it to land and attack people on the beaches.

:lol: That sounds like my kinda cuppa Joe. Looks like I missed out big time!

Easy to make at home. You get some surly mess cook who doesn't want to be there, wake him up way too early, tell him to make the coffee without telling him how, and give him two gallons of water and five pounds of grounds.
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by Gord » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:01 am

Major Malfunction wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote:Actually, MM, that is incorrect. Dried tea has as much caffeine as dried coffee, which is why that myth occurs. But when you make a cup to drink, the amount of caffeine per 100 mls of liquid tea is about 20% of the amount per 100 mls of liquid coffee. Drinking tea involves ingestion of far less caffeine.

Citations needed.

I'll give it a shot, but it won't back up Lance's claim: http://www.teaclass.com/lesson_0112.html

The biggest myth about the caffeine content between coffee and tea is that tea contains more caffeine than coffee. While this is true when measuring coffee and tea in their dry forms, this is false when comparing brewed coffee and tea. After all, one normally uses 2 grams of tea per 8 ounce cup, and 10 grams of coffee for the same quantity of water. A widely cited 2004 British study looked at 200 cups prepared by consumers going about their normal brewing routines. It found that the average caffeine level in the cups of tea (black English style teas) was 40mg vs 105mg in the average cup of drip coffee.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_ef ... d_caffeine

...Dry tea has more caffeine by weight than dry coffee; nevertheless, more dry coffee than dry tea is used in typical drink preparations, which results in a cup of brewed tea containing significantly less caffeine than a cup of coffee of the same size....


http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifes ... t-20049372

Coffee, brewed (8 oz. [237 mL]): 95-200 mg caffeine
Black tea (8 oz. [237 mL]): 14-70 mg caffeine

So, dry tea typically has more caffeine than dry coffee, and brewed tea typically has something like 40% as much caffeine as coffee (although based on the scant data I've posted, the range could be from 7.5% to 74%).

Also note that it depends on the type of tea and coffee, and how it's brewed.
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by Tom Palven » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:02 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I drank Navy coffee for 20 years. "Drank" was a euphemism, we actually cut off a chunk and chewed on it for four or five hours.


At least you could chew yours. On our boat we had to send the whole pot to the galley to have it tenderized. Knife wouldn't touch it.



I just had a revelation about coffee, remembered the conversation we had here with Ron Jeremy ("Rob Lister") here about coffee, among other things a couple of years ago, and wondered how is his. He had a bad heart attack and may have dropped out of this forum due to that.

So, I googled his name and came up with this.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... -1.2811870

It is nice to see that he is alive and at least well-enough to drive. I hope that he pops in here some time.

As to my revelation. I had been buying more and more expensive coffee and using darker roast to try to get the flavor I wanted, without success,

and just yesterday decided to put 3 scoops of a lighter roast, New England Breakfast Blend into the machine instead of the recommended 2, and voila!

I think answer found me. Simple as that. It's real good!


This is apparently the latest news about our friend Ron Jeremy who appeared on these threads under the name Rob Lister until his heart attack. After watching him in action in porrn films back in the day, I'm totally convnced that he's a playful and gentle guy and who never bullied anyone.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:44 am

"After watching him in action in porrn films back in the day...." //// I'm amazed at his longevity.

As to the coffee.....weaker is better? Thats counterintuitive....but making it stronger and stronger doesn't work....so, I'll give that a try. I find switching to tea for a month or so to reset the palate does help. but the need to recycle comes back quicker and quicker.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:07 pm

As with all drugs, the less you use it, the more potent the effect when you do it.

I've been laying off caffeine for a while.

One cup keeps me up all night.
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Post by Poodle » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:11 pm

At least, I think you meant what I thought you meant.

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I'm a man of few words and many meanings. ;)
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Good to know that our former contributor Ron Jeremy is alive and well after his heart attack:
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by landrew » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:37 pm

I can't think of a single tangible benefit to caffeine, except to keep you awake when you need to be.
But to drink it every day is just to raise your tolerance level to the point of physiological dependency.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:11 pm

I drink coffee for the TASTE. I assume so do most.
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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I drink coffee for the TASTE. I assume so do most.
Ever tried decaf?
So much for the taste...
It's the caffeine!
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Post by TJrandom » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:19 pm

landrew wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:37 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:11 pm
I drink coffee for the TASTE. I assume so do most.
Ever tried decaf?
So much for the taste...
It's the caffeine!
My second and subsequent cups are decaf... without detectible taste difference.

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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by Gord » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:18 am

Tom Palven wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:33 pm
Good to know that our former contributor Ron Jeremy is alive and well after his heart attack:
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Oh look, Dennis Hof died. He was a Trump supporter running for a senate seat in Nevada.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:28 am

Unless you're talking about how much energy it takes to render him down and make candles, I really don't give a {!#%@}.

Who?
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Major Malfunction wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:28 am
Unless you're talking about how much energy it takes to render him down and make candles, I really don't give a {!#%@}.

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Respecc.
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by Austin Harper » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:55 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:19 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:37 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:11 pm
I drink coffee for the TASTE. I assume so do most.
Ever tried decaf?
So much for the taste...
It's the caffeine!
My second and subsequent cups are decaf... without detectible taste difference.
I strongly disagree. Caffeine definitely affects the flavor. Have you ever tried Barq's root beer? Their slogan is "It has bite" which is a reference to the distinct flavor of their root beer achieved by the addition of caffeine.
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Re: The Economy of Heating Water

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:34 pm

The google says: "Taste of caffeine
Caffeine is in tea, coffee, chocolate, many soft drinks, and pain relievers and other over-the-counter medications. In its natural form, caffeine tastes very bitter. But most caffeinated drinks have gone through enough processing to camouflage the bitter taste." /// and indeed. I tried to "cold brew" regular coffee and it was too bland so I went back to boiling it. Its the "bitter" I like in coffee.....it justifies the use of milk and sugar I also use....otherwise, its just a cup of hot water? Shirly there are more variables to what a cup of Joe tastes like than just the caffeine?.....Like how many tablespoons per cup just to start with? How dark the roast?...…...etc.
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