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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:52 pm

Ha, ha...............did I wear you down Nikki? How is asking a question, the basis of which is acknowledged in the response "really" pissing on anyone? I did not judge him now......I asked a question, to which I did not get a direct response. That is ok, the arrow was launched. Why do you think stating an objective and fairly obvious truth that EVERYONE agrees with and is meant to bring more joy and acceptance into life, puts myself on a pedestal? If so........I invite you to and Jeff to climb right on up here.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:08 pm

Getting back to the OP, Hugh represented a stereotype of the Successful Man of the late 20th century: the guy who in old age has much younger, very attractive partner(s).
Trump is another example - which isn't surprising wince we can be certain Trump admires Hefner.

I think that the easy access to porn makes it easier to see how shallow such a concept of "success" is.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:48 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Ha, ha...............did I wear you down Nikki? How is asking a question, the basis of which is acknowledged in the response "really" pissing on anyone? I did not judge him now......I asked a question, to which I did not get a direct response. That is ok, the arrow was launched. Why do you think stating an objective and fairly obvious truth that EVERYONE agrees with and is meant to bring more joy and acceptance into life, puts myself on a pedestal? If so........I invite you to and Jeff to climb right on up here.

I don't free climb. I am harnessed in.


You know, bobo, every time I interact with you it reminds why I shouldn't interact with you.

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:00 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Ha, ha...............did I wear you down Nikki?
Not remotely. :mrgreen:

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:How is asking a question, the basis of which is acknowledged in the response "really" pissing on anyone?
"Can't tell. Have you grown up since then? Happy for other people that are happy???????" is, I stipulate, making a judgment on Jeff now based on his actions when he was younger. Your response, in context, is a statement that you disapprove of those actions, and simultaneously question whether he's "grown up since then." Which is pissy.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Why do you think stating an objective and fairly obvious truth that EVERYONE agrees with and is meant to bring more joy and acceptance into life, puts myself on a pedestal?
Everyone? Every single person in the entire world? Or is your generalization meant to be hyperbole? Or are you making the mistake of believing that "everyone" shares your morals...or should share them to avoid being pissed on?
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:31 pm

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Postby Phoenix76 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:14 am

Upton said:

And about the women's locker-room talk...I wouldn't know, never having been inside a women's locker room when the women were there, but I seriously doubt if the scene at the opening of the movie "Carrie" is typical of the behavior of high-school girls. I'm a fan of the Eve Dallas "...in Death" series of mysteries by J.D. Robb (pseudonym of Nora Roberts, which is probably ALSO a pseudonym...), and Eve and her sidekick Peabody are constantly talking in that style known as Locker Room Roman. I get a chuckle out of reading that. But Eve and her husband Roarke are constantly Doing It like a couple of monkeys, and I tend to skip over those passages. I like Eve and Roarke, and these descriptions always seem like an invasion of their privacy.


Well no, I haven't been in a girls locker room since I was a teenager, but we won't go there.

However, my experience these days is that girls do not need locker rooms to have "locker room talk". They don't hide anything any more. I've known some free wheeling females in my time, but nothing like today's ladies. And it would seem that today's girls are not backward when it comes to lesbian activities. Not saying they end up lesbians, but they seem keen to give it a try. Maybe they feel less threatened by a girl rather than a boy.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:33 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote: You know, bobo, every time I interact with you it reminds why I shouldn't interact with you.

Well...... that means you aren't interacting with me........just bouncing off.

Don't we all grow, change, and hopefully becoming better people as we age? How do we respect that if we don't notice it?
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:56 am

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Ha, ha...............did I wear you down Nikki?
Not remotely. :mrgreen:
I'm referring to my perception that this is the first time you have "gone after me" for what I posted. You have corrected and disagreed with several of my musings in the past, this is the first "go after" by my perception. Its not a big, just a notice.

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:How is asking a question, the basis of which is acknowledged in the response "really" pissing on anyone?
"Can't tell. Have you grown up since then? Happy for other people that are happy???????" is, I stipulate, making a judgment on Jeff now based on his actions when he was younger. Your response, in context, is a statement that you disapprove of those actions, and simultaneously question whether he's "grown up since then." Which is pissy.
What Jeff said that I did key off of was: "I have an amusing story about that...." so...yes... I AM pissy about that. Totally different to have said: "I have a slightly embarassing story about that...."

So...... Jeff..... have you grown up since then? Are you still amused, or slightly embarassed???

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Why do you think stating an objective and fairly obvious truth that EVERYONE agrees with and is meant to bring more joy and acceptance into life, puts myself on a pedestal?
Everyone? Every single person in the entire world? Or is your generalization meant to be hyperbole? Or are you making the mistake of believing that "everyone" shares your morals...or should share them to avoid being pissed on?


Yes...........everyone who does not share my "morals" (sic) has some growing to do. I will state what my "morals" are below....but before you read my rendition of it.... identify for yourself, and tell us later what "moral" you are referring to that you think I think puts me on a pedestal. With your version, then with my version, am I right or wrong?

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/////////// But my take away, even in disagreement, is: "What can I learn from this current exchange?" Hmmmmm..... porn/sex/love......a whole other can of worms much like politics and religion. People argue/get upset before even identifying exactly what it is that has their motor running.

Too many books to read and re-read. In my youth, I very much admired Lenard Cohen's "Beautiful Losers"==>equating porn/sex/love/lust/perversion/((was there child abuse or was that in Naked Lunch?)/religious revelation and ecstasy. Think porn has no relationship to love? .....If you can't live it.... read about it.

Edit: just a note: I would NEVER "live" Beautiful Loser or Naked Lunch. Could barely read about it. Talk about books being portals to entirely different world views. Lenard Cohen..........more than just a song writer.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:49 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
So...... Jeff..... have you grown up since then?


Nope. Never. I've decided to keep my boyish charm in perpetuity.

Are you still amused, or slightly embarassed???


I find lots of things amusing, even inappropriate things. It's the key to long life and happiness.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:03 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote: I find lots of things amusing, even inappropriate things. It's the key to long life and happiness.

I recognize you are trying to be funny and light hearted.........and you are.........also "unengaged."

To engage: address the issue of how you being amused at INAPPROPRIATE things does harm to other people....and you are ok with that.

See how engagement works?
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:51 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I recognize you are trying to be funny and light hearted.......


Bobo, I personally think I'm a hoot.

..and you are.........also "unengaged."


I don't want to get engaged again. I'm a married man.


To engage: address the issue of how you being amused at INAPPROPRIATE things does harm to other people....and you are ok with that.

See how engagement works?


I think it's because I'm a raging sociopath. My wife does tell me sometimes I need professional help.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:57 pm

well, there you go. Who knows you better?
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:46 pm

Certainly not you.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:21 pm

Thats what I said.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:37 pm

I said it better.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:44 pm

I don't know. "There you go" is pretty snappy.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:17 pm

Don't mess with me bobo. :nuts:

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Postby Cadmusteeth » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:34 pm

bobbo

If we go by what the word pornography means, that being the depiction of sexual acts, then involving love and sex into that discussion isn't inventing new language for faulty reasons. In fact, these things intertwine with each other.
What I think Nix is trying to convey is that porn should portray what and most people actually do when they have sex. That includes showing consideration and understanding towards a sexual partner and communicating effectively to them.
Someone trying to imitate inaccurate depictions of sex can end up having an unpleasant experience or even hurt their partner. Having a better understanding of sex can help avoid that.
Basically, either we make porn better or make the education better; or maybe both.

That's my two cents. If I'm butting in where I'm not needing I'll just be quite after this.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:17 pm

Porn is acting.
Just because I see a bombshell and an Adonis doing unspeakable things to each other doesn't mean I think that's the way it's supposed to be.

Neither do I think I need to look like Thor and should be able to do things like Jason Bourne.
Neither do I expect my partner to make moves like Black Widow and constantly make sounds like Sally in a Diner.

I do see the need to educate youngsters amount the fact that porn is fiction and all participants are faking their emotions, especially the women.
It seems to me that most young people know this, but just like play-acting a parts in a favourite movie, they play-act porn they have encountered.
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Postby Cadmusteeth » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:34 pm

Point taken.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:37 pm

It's not always faked emotions. When I lived in LA I knew a couple of actresses who just loved sex, and were very happy with the idea they'd get paid for it. Some of the gay men in that crowd said they were living out fantasies they'd had since childhood. So the use of "all" needs to be considered in the light of that.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:01 pm

Cad? You are going to butt out? Certainly you would be a welcomed addition to any threesome. I think that is 4....but in porn, one is never sure.

1. If we go by what the word pornography means, that being the depiction of sexual acts, then involving love and sex into that discussion isn't inventing new language for faulty reasons. /// Thats a compound statement. I agree with what porn means and that adding sex and love or a cigar or a cube of butter isn't inventing new launguage for raulty reasons or for any valid reasons either. There is no new language. Are some words/sentences missing in what you posted?

2. In fact, these things intertwine with each other. //// Thats what I said. In fact I said something more specific....they are separate and they intertwine. That is what overlap is about.

3. What I think Nix is trying to convey is that porn should portray what and most people actually do when they have sex. /// Why would that be the case.... what people? How is that not "sex" as opposed to porn?? Your are conflating the distinctions that separate the concepts.

4. That includes showing consideration and understanding towards a sexual partner and communicating effectively to them. //// Why would that be the case.... what people? How is that not "love" as opposed to sex and/or porn?? Your are conflating the distinctions that separate the concepts.

5. Someone trying to imitate inaccurate depictions of sex can end up having an unpleasant experience or even hurt their partner. Having a better understanding of sex can help avoid that. /// This is an "orphan" idea. What are you thinking about?

6. Basically, either we make porn better or make the education better; or maybe both. /// Education/experience/practice makes anything better. Now you are defining porn as a way to learn about sex and/or love better? Why would that be the case.... what people? How is that not "general education" as opposed to porn, sex and/or love?? Your are conflating the distinctions that separate the concepts.

7. That's my two cents. If I'm butting in where I'm not needing I'll just be quite after this. /// Not if Studs McHenry sees that black eye coming.
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Postby TJrandom » Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:24 am

Porn is depiction of sexual acts? Who knew? In this case - digital data was deemed to be porn. But in general here, photographic depiction of genitals is considered to be porn.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:44 am

pornography: Creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire

....................... as stated: I wish I had a fetish. Or even more than one. I always thought porn "satisfied" sexual desire rather than stimulated it? Hmmmm....ok.......to me its "both." I wonder if my deficit is linked to lack of fetishes??

Its good to always start with the dictionary....in this case more a legal definition of porn as opposed to social or privately held?.............but I note that literature and art are not the only "values" worth pursuing. Whats wrong with "pleasure?"..........and that perhaps goes to porn being a victimless crime. Course, the Morality Police diddle with that concept too. Ah...........democracy. What you gonna do?
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Cad? You are going to butt out? Certainly you would be a welcomed addition to any threesome. I think that is 4....but in porn, one is never sure.

1. If we go by what the word pornography means, that being the depiction of sexual acts, then involving love and sex into that discussion isn't inventing new language for faulty reasons. /// Thats a compound statement. I agree with what porn means and that adding sex and love or a cigar or a cube of butter isn't inventing new launguage for raulty reasons or for any valid reasons either. There is no new language. Are some words/sentences missing in what you posted?

2. In fact, these things intertwine with each other. //// Thats what I said. In fact I said something more specific....they are separate and they intertwine. That is what overlap is about.

3. What I think Nix is trying to convey is that porn should portray what and most people actually do when they have sex. /// Why would that be the case.... what people? How is that not "sex" as opposed to porn?? Your are conflating the distinctions that separate the concepts.

4. That includes showing consideration and understanding towards a sexual partner and communicating effectively to them. //// Why would that be the case.... what people? How is that not "love" as opposed to sex and/or porn?? Your are conflating the distinctions that separate the concepts.

5. Someone trying to imitate inaccurate depictions of sex can end up having an unpleasant experience or even hurt their partner. Having a better understanding of sex can help avoid that. /// This is an "orphan" idea. What are you thinking about?

6. Basically, either we make porn better or make the education better; or maybe both. /// Education/experience/practice makes anything better. Now you are defining porn as a way to learn about sex and/or love better? Why would that be the case.... what people? How is that not "general education" as opposed to porn, sex and/or love?? Your are conflating the distinctions that separate the concepts.

7. That's my two cents. If I'm butting in where I'm not needing I'll just be quite after this. /// Not if Studs McHenry sees that black eye coming.

I thought I had a point, but I ended up just giving a rushed response that wasn't well thought out.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:03 pm

Cad: you are way too hard on yourself.

......................enjoy it while you can.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:58 pm

I'm too tired and foggy to address your points today, bobbo. I try to recognize when my symptoms interfere with my ability to think critically, and right now, I'm in severe pain and exhausted, neither of which promote anything except irritation with everything. I'll come back to this thread when I feel better.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:04 pm

Nikki: no obligation at all.............but then, no free coupons either.

Be good to yourself...........who else will???????
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