Why do people think conspiracy theorist is a synonymous with "irrational person"?

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:44 am

gorgeous wrote:would be faked news......
Gorgeous, you dimwit, you just got busted faking news.

How did FDR meet the Roswell aliens of 1947 if he had already died in 1945? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Explain your post with references and citations.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:05 am

gorgeous wrote:another actor...imagine that...
Petra Anderson survived and Chloe Anderson is her sister and an actress. Some idiot on you-tube has edited her casting video to an Aurora Theater documentary.

Who made this fake video Gorgeous?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:06 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
gorgeous wrote:would be faked news......
Gorgeous, you dimwit, you just got busted faking news.

How did FDR meet the Roswell aliens of 1947 if he had already died in 1945? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Explain your post with references and citations.

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 30#p658824
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Post by Austin Harper » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:42 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:How did FDR meet the Roswell aliens of 1947 if he had already died in 1945? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Austin Harper wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:How did FDR meet the Roswell aliens of 1947 if he had already died in 1945? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Gord » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:37 pm

"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
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Post by OlegTheBatty » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:01 pm

Actual Research Into The Psychology Of Conspiracy Theorists


Nothing really surprising, basically, the Barmaid in the above cartoon pretty much sums it up.


One detail of note: Apparently, BS Receptivity is an actual technical term, and measures people's reception to statements typical of the Deepak Chopra random quote generator.
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Post by TJrandom » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:26 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:Actual Research Into The Psychology Of Conspiracy Theorists


Nothing really surprising, basically, the Barmaid in the above cartoon pretty much sums it up.


One detail of note: Apparently, BS Receptivity is an actual technical term, and measures people's reception to statements typical of the Deepak Chopra random quote generator.
I didn`t see educational achievement factored in, and that surprised me.

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Post by Gord » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:29 am

Brilliant.
...individuals who are relatively untrusting, ideologically eccentric, concerned about personal safety, and prone to perceiving agency in actions and profundity in BS. .... Two studies (N=1,253) found that schizotypy, dangerous-world beliefs, and BS receptivity independently and additively predict endorsement of generic (i.e., nonpartisan) conspiracy beliefs....
Now that's sciencey! :thumbsup:
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Post by Gord » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:30 am

...oh, I have to join in order to download it! Well that sucks.
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Post by TJrandom » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:15 am

Gord wrote:...oh, I have to join in order to download it! Well that sucks.
I didn`t join and was able to get it as a PDF... selected Open PDF in Browser...

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Post by Gord » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:03 am

TJrandom wrote:
Gord wrote:...oh, I have to join in order to download it! Well that sucks.
I didn`t join and was able to get it as a PDF... selected Open PDF in Browser...
I did try. Maybe my URL Redirect protection stopped a pop-up of the pdf. I'll turn it off and try again.

Yup! That's the problem. I've opened the PDF now. Thanks! :wave:
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Post by TJrandom » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:09 am

I always have redirect protection ON, so get a pop-up to over ride or not on every link I try. It is a hassle, but better than winding up in NSFW territory.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:36 am

This "work" you speak of...
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Post by Gord » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:41 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:This "work" you speak of...
Who spoke of work? The only mention of "work" I can find on this page (other than your post that I'm quoting) is in your sig. :|
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TJrandom wrote:NSFW
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Post by Gord » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:44 pm

The Dubya means "WORK"?!? How does THAT make any sense!!! It's DUBYA!!!
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:33 pm

Gord wrote:The Dubya means "WORK"?!? How does THAT make any sense!!! It's DUBYA!!!
So, you want a world where things make sense? :roll:
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Post by OlegTheBatty » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:39 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:The Dubya means "WORK"?!? How does THAT make any sense!!! It's DUBYA!!!
So, you want a world where things make sense? :roll:
It's worse than that. He wants it to make sense to Gord!
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Post by Gord » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:23 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:The Dubya means "WORK"?!? How does THAT make any sense!!! It's DUBYA!!!
So, you want a world where things make sense? :roll:
It's worse than that. He wants it to make sense to Gord!
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Post by Gord » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:06 am

I needed to learn more about this "BS receptivity", so I hit google:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog ... n-BS
...Philosopher Harry Frankfurt’s (2005) slim volume ‘On BS’ made the term salonfähig (fit for use in polite conversation). ... Frankfurt’s main point was a definitional one: he took pains to distinguish BS from mere lies. A lier knows and deliberately violates the truth. A BS does not care. Hence, some BS may actually be true. What matters is the BS’s attitude, his or her indifference to truth. Truth in BS – when it occurs – is incidental....

...Pennycook et al. [in their 2015 paper On the Reception and Detection of Pseudo-profound BS] found evidence for BS receptivity and BS sensitivity. Receptivity refers to an overall inclination to accept statements as profound. Sensitivity refers to the ability to discriminate between pseudo-profound BS and genuinely profound statements. Much as Pennycook et al.’s effort to discriminate between receptivity (bias) and sensitivity (ability to detect) is to be applauded, they did not do a good job keeping these two aspects of BS vulnerability conceptually and statistically separate....

...Receptivity (sensitivity) is positively (negatively) correlated with a measure of paranormal belief, whereas the reverse is true for the correlation with a measure of analytical thinking.

A signal-detection analysis would have been more informative....
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0153419
...The present research investigates the associations between holding favorable views of potential Democratic or Republican candidates for the US presidency 2016 and seeing profoundness in BS statements. In this contribution, BS is used as a technical term which is defined as communicative expression that lacks content, logic, or truth from the perspective of natural science. We used the BS Receptivity scale (BSR) to measure seeing profoundness in BS statements. The BSR scale contains statements that have a correct syntactic structure and seem to be sound and meaningful on first reading but are actually vacuous. Participants (N = 196; obtained via Amazon Mechanical Turk) rated the profoundness of BS statements (using the BSR) and provided favorability ratings of three Democratic (Hillary Clinton, Martin O’Malley, and Bernie Sanders) and three Republican candidates for US president (Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Donald Trump). Participants also completed a measure of political liberalism/conservatism. Results revealed that favorable views of all three Republican candidates were positively related to judging BS statements as profound. The smallest correlation was found for Donald Trump. Although we observe a positive association between BS and support for the three Democrat candidates, this relationship is both substantively small and statistically insignificant. The general measure of political liberalism/conservatism was also related to judging BS statements as profound in that individuals who were more politically conservative had a higher tendency to see profoundness in BS statements. Of note, these results were not due to a general tendency among conservatives to see profoundness in everything: Favorable views of Republican candidates and conservatism were not significantly related to profoundness ratings of mundane statements. In contrast, this was the case for Hillary Clinton and Martin O’Malley. Overall, small-to-medium sized correlations were found, indicating that far from all conservatives see profoundness in BS statements....
Ooh, it's got a graph!!
Misperceiving BS as Profound.PNG
:-| I'm not sure if that graph is profound, mundane, or BS. [Edit: How did people get a negative correlation with Trump and mundane statements? :befuddled: I mean...what does that even mean??]

Anyway, it appears there are different definitions of "BS" in play here. One distinguishes BS from lies and gibberish, the other includes gibberish in its definition. The researchers who were using the "BS receptivity" term were also using the latter definition of BS.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:29 pm

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Post by gorgeous » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:20 pm

snl-----"Can't you pick another dude from your Illuminati lizard meetings?"
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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gorgeous wrote:snl-----"Can't you pick another dude from your Illuminati lizard meetings?"
Your standard of evidence seems to be improving. John Belushi would be proud.
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Post by gorgeous » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:11 pm

belushi was a lizard
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Unlike that thing in your pants.
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