Why do people think conspiracy theorist is a synonymous with "irrational person"?

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Post by TJrandom » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:05 pm

Becasue they are one and the same...

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TJrandom wrote:Becasue

What is that, some kind of lightning lawyer pokemon?
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Gord wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Becasue

What is that, some kind of lightning lawyer pokemon?

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Post by TJrandom » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:20 pm

I was a`gunna say that we needs an automatedic sprelling checker - but than realized that we have Gord.... :mrgreen:

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TJrandom wrote:I was a`gunna say that we needs an automatedic sprelling checker - but than realized that we have Gord.... :mrgreen:

And a certain person (JO) would have a hemorrhage. (Spelled that right on the first try. 8-) )
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TJramdon wrote:I was a`gunna say that we needs an automatedic sprelling checker - but than realized that we have Gord.... :mrgreen:


Its spleendid, aint'-it. :cool:
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Post by Gord » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:41 pm

OCD OCD OCD!!!
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Post by Gord » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:42 pm

...not really, I just felt compelled to say it thrice or else my entire day would be done WRONG(ly).
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I'm not suggesting that anyone here has the same motives as described by the guy on the left.

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Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Your mouse seems to carry parasites. Please take care to not spread them here.
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scrmbldggs wrote:Your mouse seems to carry parasites. Please take care to not spread them here.


What? I thought that he gave the mouse those parasites... :roll:

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Tum te tum te tum....

Oh! Hello there! I was just posting a video here for no apparent reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMA9vPKreg8
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Post by TJrandom » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:05 am

CNN was reporting on QAnon and I just caught the tail end of a discussion on `conspiracy theorists` - and it seems to me that these people are not theorists at all. They don`t deal with theory. They are spohists or just plain nutters.

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TJrandom wrote:They are spohists or just plain nutters.
I googled that word, but everything I found was just the word "sophists" misspelt. :?
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TJrandom wrote:CNN was reporting on QAnon and I just caught the tail end of a discussion on `conspiracy theorists` - and it seems to me that these people are not theorists at all. They don`t deal with theory. They are spohists or just plain nutters.
That's why I prefer "Conspiracy Advocates" and "conspiracy hookum".
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Conspiracies are real. Everyone conspires. Schoolyards are full of children conspiring against each other. Business is full of competitors conspiring against each other. Governments constantly conspire for influence and power.

But that's not to be confused with the irrational form of conspiracy belief. Moon landings, flat earth, 911, etc. are demonstrably false and possibly pathological. But the word "conspiracy" has earned an undeserved mantle of negativity. That's why we should guard against dismissing any discussion including the word, "conspiracy." Donald Trump is about to learn the meaning of the word "conspiracy" as opposed to "collusion."
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9/11 "truthers", FDR bombed Pearl Harbor, the Vietnam War was fought to settle a bet between the Koch brothers, those are conspiracy advocacies that desert being mocked.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:9/11 "truthers", FDR bombed Pearl Harbor, the Vietnam War was fought to settle a bet between the Koch brothers, those are conspiracy advocacies that desert being mocked.
That should read: "dessert being mocked."
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You make a coherent post while on percocets using a cell phone under an oxygen tent.

Or any other time, for that matter.
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And it's "deserve", not dessert.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:And it's "deserve", not dessert.
Oh c'mon...…….landrew made one of his few funnies.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:And it's "deserve", not dessert.
Oh c'mon...…….landrew made one of his few funnies.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You make a coherent post while on percocets using a cell phone under an oxygen tent.
Okay!
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You make a coherent post while on percocets using a cell phone under an oxygen tent.
Okay!
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TJrandom wrote:CNN was reporting on QAnon and I just caught the tail end of a discussion on `conspiracy theorists` - and it seems to me that these people are not theorists at all. They don`t deal with theory. They are spohists or just plain nutters.
I think they are a very fragmented group, who simply have the current illusion that they are unified, as they never clearly state what they actually believe.

I think that are a danger to Trump's political base. (which is good news). I imagine that if they get more attention some of them will start saying what they actually believe in, Trump will agree with that faction, and the rest of them will go "That's crap" and leave Trump's political base.

It's a bit like the "Libertarians". It only makes sense if you never actually explain it in detail.

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It's a bit like the "Libertarians". It only makes sense if you never actually explain it in detail.

True. The concept of individual liberty will never make sense to supporters of elite royalty.

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The libertardian concept doesn't make sense in any scenario other than one person living by themselves on an island. aka: it is founded on the notion that there is no need to "get along" with other people.

Just plain silly. aka: not pragmatic.
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Matthew Ellard wrote:It's a bit like the "Libertarians". It only makes sense if you never actually explain it in detail.
Tom Palven wrote:True. The concept of individual liberty will never make sense to supporters of elite royalty.
Tom? Just say it openly as you were a failed Libertarian candidate in New Jersey, before joining Qanon.

You don't believe in any public education or public welfare or public health at all, do you?

If you saw a starving child, you would walk past that child while yelling "Bad Luck. You should have got a job"
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Vast right-wing conspiracy - Wikipedia



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vast_righ ... conspiracy


"Vast right-wing conspiracy" is a conspiracy theory popularized by a 1995 memo by political ... document to describe the conspiracies surrounding the Clintons, which Hillary Clinton later popularized with the term "vast right-wing conspiracy.
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Tom Palven wrote:True. The concept of individual liberty will never make sense to supporters of elite royalty.
The concept of absolute individual liberty is flawed because it can only ever be obtained by one person.

So libertarians create a complex system of rights that restrict freedoms, so they can say everyone has them and pretend everyone is equal. Freedom is restricted because no one can murder anyone else. So far, so good.

But in practice, what ends up happening is that those rights are impractical if applied universally. Can't steal, for example, means can't tax.

So libertarians (other than anarchists, and very few are anarchists) will say, well, taxes are a necessary evil. But they should only fund necessities like the police and the courts.

And then someone will say, but I think medicine is a necessary as justice. You want people to be alive for their court dates, right?

Then libertarians will respond, "SOCIALIST!!! Who will pay for this medical care? Are you going to STEAL it from the taxpayer?! DON'T YOU KNOW TAXES ARE AGGRESSION RTARD??!!"

"Individual liberty" is a nice-sounding phrase, but people who know the first thing about actual libertarians and how they actually behave just read, "MINE MINE MINE!!!"

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Tom Palven wrote:True. The concept of individual liberty will never make sense to supporters of elite royalty.
The concept of absolute individual liberty is flawed because it can only ever be obtained by one person.

So libertarians create a complex system of rights that restrict freedoms, so they can say everyone has them and pretend everyone is equal. Freedom is restricted because no one can murder anyone else. So far, so good.

But in practice, what ends up happening is that those rights are impractical if applied universally. Can't steal, for example, means can't tax.

So libertarians (other than anarchists, and very few are anarchists) will say, well, taxes are a necessary evil. But they should only fund necessities like the police and the courts.

And then someone will say, but I think medicine is a necessary as justice. You want people to be alive for their court dates, right?

Then libertarians will respond, "SOCIALIST!!! Who will pay for this medical care? Are you going to STEAL it from the taxpayer?! DON'T YOU KNOW TAXES ARE AGGRESSION RTARD??!!"

"Individual liberty" is a nice-sounding phrase, but people who know the first thing about actual libertarians and how they actually behave just read, "MINE MINE MINE!!!"
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wiki------"House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties "----is a 2004 book by Craig Unger that explores the relationship between the Saudi Royal Family and the Bush extended political family. Unger asserts that the groundwork for today's terrorist movements and the modern wars that have sprung up about them was unintentionally laid more than 30 years ago with a series of business deals between the ruling Saudis and the powerful Bush family. The Saudis received investments and military protection in exchange for cooperation on lucrative oil deals. The author claims that the result has been a shady alliance between "the world's two most powerful dynasties." Unger writes, "Never before has an American president been so closely tied to a foreign power that harbors and supports our country's mortal enemies."
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How US covered up Saudi role in 9/11 - New York Post



https://nypost.com/2016/04/17/how-us-co ... le-in-911/



Apr 17, 2016 - “The Saudi ambassador funded two of the 9/11 hijackers through a third ... 13, 2001, with President Bush in the White House, where the two old ...
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Tom Palven wrote:How do you feel about the US government aiding and abetting elite Saudi royalty?
https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-a ... hts-2018-8
Honestly, I don't care that much, as long as they're not libertarians. I wish they didn't, but in a government system you can at least vote for another representative, but with a private security company you don't have even that recourse.

If someone shoots me in the head, the government protects me. It will, at very least, define the proven shooter into criminality. Libertarians don't want that; they want that I should pay for this service on the free market, and if I don't have enough money to pay, too bad.

As long as the government does that for free (promises to give the service even if I'm short on cash), they can do whatever else they want with my tax money, and they can take my last spare penny. This is necessary to me, and I'll give everything I have for it, but I won't accept a system where I'm potentially excluded.

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Re: Qanon

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:01 pm

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Tom Palven wrote:How do you feel about the US government aiding and abetting elite Saudi royalty?
https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-a ... hts-2018-8
Honestly, I don't care that much, as long as they're not libertarians. I wish they didn't, but in a government system you can at least vote for another representative, but with a private security company you don't have even that recourse.
I'll just assume I don't understand the point you are making? House of Saud is a hereditary absolute Monarchy. You and your ilk are permanently and forever excluded from the gubment. Libertarian is an idea. You can join by allowing your brain to rot. Atleast you have a choice with the latter.
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