Near Death Experiencers challenge science

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Near Death Experiencers challenge science

Postby Kamil » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:12 pm

I saw a video where a man had an NDE, and said it felt so real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-mEq_Oc2jg

one doctor tried to replicate these feelings using the "god helmet" in a lab. The NDEr said it wasn't even close to a real NDE. Then, on the nderf.org website, there are tons of NDEs where people say it felt so real, realer than real life, that it couldn't have been fake, and that skeptics just don't understand. They say skeptic theories do not satisfy them. Do you think even after watching this video that they are not real?

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Re: Near Death Experiencers challenge science

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:17 pm

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Re: Near Death Experiencers challenge science

Postby Nikki Nyx » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:54 pm

Kamil wrote:I saw a video where a man had an NDE, and said it felt so real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-mEq_Oc2jg

one doctor tried to replicate these feelings using the "god helmet" in a lab. The NDEr said it wasn't even close to a real NDE. Then, on the nderf.org website, there are tons of NDEs where people say it felt so real, realer than real life, that it couldn't have been fake, and that skeptics just don't understand. They say skeptic theories do not satisfy them. Do you think even after watching this video that they are not real?

Again, Kamil, anecdotal narrative is not scientific evidence.
a man had an NDE, and said it felt so real
This is anecdotal narrative, not proof of anything.
The NDEr said it wasn't even close to a real NDE.
More anecdotal narrative.
people say it felt so real, realer than real life, that it couldn't have been fake, and that skeptics just don't understand
It doesn't matter what people say. It doesn't matter what they thought about how it felt. None of this is scientific proof. None of this "challenges science."

You're wasting our time. I'm not watching the video because, like your story of the Russian woman, it's not evidence. People describing their experiences and how they felt about them doesn't constitute scientific evidence.
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Re: Near Death Experiencers challenge science

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:24 am

Kamil wrote:I saw a video where a man had an NDE, and said it felt so real:
It's time for you to relocate to another forum, as you are now just spamming religious rubbish on a science based forum.

Try the David Icke forum.

https://forum.davidicke.com/

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Re: Near Death Experiencers challenge science

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:34 am

Kamil wrote:I saw a video where a man had an NDE, and said it felt so real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-mEq_Oc2jg

one doctor tried to replicate these feelings using the "god helmet" in a lab. The NDEr said it wasn't even close to a real NDE. Then, on the nderf.org website, there are tons of NDEs where people say it felt so real, realer than real life, that it couldn't have been fake, and that skeptics just don't understand. They say skeptic theories do not satisfy them. Do you think even after watching this video that they are not real?

Does that make this {!#%@} any less imaginary?

No.
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Re: Near Death Experiencers challenge science

Postby Cadmusteeth » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:52 am

I had a dream about going to Hawaii when I was a kid and then went there. But that doesn't mean it was a premonition.

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Re: Near Death Experiencers challenge science

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:00 am

Cadmusteeth wrote:I had a dream about going to Hawaii when I was a kid and then went there. But that doesn't mean it was a premonition.

That's their problem. They have no feasible evidence, so they have to make {!#%@} up. Pathetic.
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Re: Near Death Experiencers challenge science

Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:47 am

Cadmusteeth wrote:I had a dream about going to Hawaii when I was a kid and then went there. But that doesn't mean it was a premonition.

Right? My hypnagogic hallucinations...if I were irrational, I could swear there was a man-sized beetle rearing up next to my bed. That's not proof.

I could present a selfie of myself with said beetle. That's not proof, because I speak Photoshop. (And in 2017, even a video would not be proof.)

If I had photos and videos and lab samples of a piece of its chitinous exoskeleton with a report from a credentialed entomologist, I would have the minimum to initiate a discussion. However, even I wouldn't be convinced by that minimum of evidence, because said beetle is impossible per the square-cube law, and my assumption would be that someone had perpetrated a gigantic hoax on me. :mrgreen: Especially since I do not now, nor have I ever known anyone named Gregor Samsa.
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Re: Near Death Experiencers challenge science

Postby Shen1986 » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:27 am

Kamil wrote:I saw a video where a man had an NDE, and said it felt so real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-mEq_Oc2jg

one doctor tried to replicate these feelings using the "god helmet" in a lab. The NDEr said it wasn't even close to a real NDE. Then, on the nderf.org website, there are tons of NDEs where people say it felt so real, realer than real life, that it couldn't have been fake, and that skeptics just don't understand. They say skeptic theories do not satisfy them. Do you think even after watching this video that they are not real?


Feelings can be manipulated. Feelings can be wrong. You can have even feelings in dreams take nightmares for example, they feel real, you wake up all sweat and scared but it was not real, it was not reality. People who have schizophrenia claim and even feel emotions that are real. They for example hear voices who for them are truly real and even feel a presence that is real for them but its all in their minds.

I do not claim that NDEs are not powerful experiences. Heck I had something like a NDE with so called visions of the future when I was a child but without the dying stuff but I was quite near death actually after a strong asthma attack and was in intensive care. It was a strong experience but it was just that if NDE would be real then the things that happened in my NDE like experience would turn out to be true and it didn't. The visions the person told me in my experience never were realized and never came true.

NDEs would be true if someone would actually bring something from them. If I would visit another plane of existence where all the knowledge of the universe is then why not give me a invention or method that would allow us to travel to that dimension or to see souls?? Something that is beyond this world. Also to proof a NDE you must prove that it was really supernatural that means a NDE where someone had a information that was not able to get with normal means and is bulletproof at least with no other explanation at hand. If one of these is done then it would challenge science as we know it so far and I would be convinced but so far no one was able to do this.
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