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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

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Major Malfunction wrote:JO, toddlers can use computers these days because they see them all the time.

Illuminated dashboards in cars didn't even become common until the '70s.

You're not using the correct historical lenses.

My '58 Chevy had a lighted dash.


My `50 Dodge truck had one too - but I don`t recall if the Model A or T did... did yours? :oldman:

My T had candles behind the dash.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:08 pm

The experimentally demonstrated reality of after images makes a lot more sense than suggesting they were flying saucers. It is called Occam's Razor.

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Postby gorgeous » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:57 pm

saucers fly...get over it... https://youtu.be/VyOtIsnG71U
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gorgeous wrote:saucers fly...get over it... https://youtu.be/VyOtIsnG71U

Reality, get some.
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Postby JO 753 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:25 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:The experimentally demonstrated reality of after images makes a lot more sense than suggesting they were flying saucers. It is called Occam's Razor.


Occam'z Razor iz on the side uv foo fiterz being sum actual fenomenon rather than a bunch uv yung men being so incredibly inobzervant that they were unaware uv the after-imaj effect.

The 'theory' iz a good example uv explaineration. It seemz to make sens if you dont think about it very hard. If you want to beleev, its good enuf. Especially if you are trying to avoid fasing the alternativ explanation.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:03 pm

JO 753 wrote:The 'theory' iz a good example uv explaineration. It seemz to make sens if you dont think about it very hard. If you want to beleev, its good enuf. Especially if you are trying to avoid fasing the alternativ explanation.

IKR? It's obviously aliens.

People with their crazy explaineration theories about cockpit lights, when everyone can see crop circles!
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:08 pm

No

Occam's Razor suggests that the less complex and involved explanation is probably correct.

Humans are prone to self deception. This point is not even subject to debate, since it has been demonstrated literally millions of times. Seeing an after image and calling it a 'foo fighter ' is not even an unusual example of self deception.

However, to see a light in the sky, and explain it as a space craft from an alien world, travelled multiple light years (meaning a voyage of hundreds or thousands of years), carrying little grey men, who strangely let their ships be seen, but otherwise hide from us.
Yeah, right. That is OBVIOUSLY the proper explanation. DUH !!

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Postby JO 753 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:40 am

How woud you explain suppozedly healthy normal adults with exellent vision not knowing about after imaj? Seemz to me it coud get very complicated and unlikely very quickly.

And wuts so complex & unlikely about alien vizitorz?
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:37 am

There is nothing strange about people being deluded. Happens all the time. Just ask any of the research psychologists who have explored the weird way eye witnesses get things wrong. Having excellent vision is irrelevant since the error arises in that organ between the ears.

As I have told you before, Jo, reports of "flying saucers " always increase on nights where the planet Venus is bright. If someone can mistake Venus for a flying saucer, then an after image can be very convincing. Hell, I once watched the NZ navy doing exercises with helicopters and searchlights, and the next day the newspaper had an article on flying saucers in that area.

People are constantly being deluded, Jo . It is because we are human and imperfect.

What is so unlikely about alien VISITORS? What is unlikely is aliens who buzz around in their flying saucers by the thousands (if you believe all the sightings), but never provide any evidence that can be called credible. Where all the evidence is " lights in the sky " or the equivalent and absolutely nothing that meets the standards of evidence needed to be published in a reputable peer reviewed scientific journal.

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Postby JO 753 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:43 am

So now the pilots are delusional. Not a very good explanation for them having grown up without ever notising imajez persisting after clozing their eyez.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:52 am

No

They do not close their eyes. Air crew looking at instruments with the bright instrument lights, then look away to the dark window and see lights darting about. Yes, it is delusion, since they interpret an after image as an object. If you do not understand how people can make such mistakes, you need to study more on human nature.

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Postby JO 753 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:13 am

Closing your eyez, turning the lites out at nite, a very brite lite and then normal lite levelz, glare from lites or polished surfasez, etc. Everybody encounterz the effect on a regular basis. Its a part uv life.

Then therez the part about the lites going where youre looking. Whoz going to be so stoopid az to not notis that? Nobodyz going to mistake it for an extraordinary occurans long enuf to even mention it, let alone a bunch uv pilots on a number uv occasionz and then start an official investigation.

Fase it - the theory iz ded.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:27 pm

JO needs a short course of LSD to see how much your mind can trick your perceptions. ;)
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:00 pm

Yes, Jo is showing a high degree of naievity. People are easily deluded. The foo fighter thing actually happened, and the laboratory work was done to show how it happened. It was not space ships. It was after images.

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Major Malfunction wrote:
JO needs a short course of LSD to see how much your mind can trick your perceptions. ;)

Yeah, cheers for LSD. I second this opinion. :good:
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Postby JO 753 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:01 am

zeuzzzz left a lasting legasy here.
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Postby TJrandom » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:50 am

Major Malfunction wrote:JO needs a short course of LSD to see how much your mind can trick your perceptions. ;)


Me thinks JO has already started on that LSD and is enjoying it... :lol:

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TJrandom wrote:
Major Malfunction wrote:JO needs a short course of LSD to see how much your mind can trick your perceptions. ;)


Me thinks JO has already started on that LSD and is enjoying it... :lol:

Nope, he's been taking LSZ, and the differences are profound.
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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:00 pm

from skeptic on debunking...sound familiar?... "X. USING QUESTIONS AS WEAPONS


• Use a question as negative proof. Example: “There can be no extraterrestrial visitors because how would they get here fast enough across light-years of space?”

• Ask questions that appear to contain generally-assumed knowledge that supports your views; for example, “why do no military brass, police officers, air traffic controllers or psychiatrists report UFOs?” If someone points out that they have in fact done so for years, insist that they must all be mentally unstable.

• Ask unanswerable questions based on arbitrary criteria of proof. For example, “if this claim were true, why haven’t we seen it on TV?” or “in this or that scientific journal?” Never forget the mother of all such questions: “If UFOs are extraterrestrial, why haven’t they landed on the White House lawn?” "
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:22 pm

Gorgeous

As I have told you before, the reason we do not believe lights in the sky are Little Grey Men is simply the lack of credible evidence.

Conspiracy theories are not credible evidence. Deluded witnesses are not credible evidence. Faked photos and videos are not credible evidence.

Show us a proper scientific study, published in a reputable and peer reviewed scientific journal. Not idiots who video fireflies or mistake the planet Venus for a flying saucer. And please, no moronic statements about proving I exist.

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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:24 pm

yes...everything is fake....where is evidence that you exist?
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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:26 pm

from a skeptic---^^^----- Ask unanswerable questions based on arbitrary criteria of proof. For example, “if this claim were true, why haven’t we seen it on TV?” or --------------“in this or that scientific journal?-----you fit the mold of the debunker with typical scientific journal demands.... :lol:
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:31 pm

Oh, dear. Genaro gave Gorgeous a new toy. Now we're going to have to hear all about it for WEEKS. :roll:
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:49 pm

Gorgeous lives in a world of fantasy, where evidence is not needed. Yet he, she or it fails to understand how normally intelligent people require credible evidence before believing something.

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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:52 pm

still waiting for the evidence proving you exist...
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:54 pm

'Fails to understand' - that has had me wondering if it is doing more damage than good to itself by lingering here. I mean, unless it's masochistic, the usual reception its reiterations garner can't be healthy for that kind of mind...
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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:57 pm

from skeptic Zen article----" Convince the world of your divine omniscience by declaring that “there is no evidence for X!” After all, only someone who knows everything can claim that no evidence for X exists anywhere in the universe. ".......doing good Lance...keep it up.... :lol:
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:22 pm

Gorgeous

There is a simple principle in logic which says you cannot prove a negative. You can prove a positive. I cannot prove a negative, meaning I cannot prove "X " does not exist. But a positive can be proved. So if you think 'X ' exists, then it is up to you to demonstrate that. I do not demand proof. Just credible evidence.

In terms of Little Grey Men from outer space, all that is needed is a proper scientific examination of material evidence. An alien coke bottle carelessly discarded will do. With all the hundreds of thousands of flying saucer claims, there must be something simple like that. Surely. Yet nothing like that has ever been examined.

Occam's Razor makes it clear. Magical aliens on the one hand versus basic human delusion. No contest.

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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:30 pm

what does shaving with Occam's Razor have to do with aliens? :lol:
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What does rational thinking have to do with gorgeous ?

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fox-----A Miami-area congressional candidate says she was abducted by aliens when she was 7 years old – and 10 years later, it happened again. -------The aliens weren’t green little men with antennas and buggy eyes. She told two TV hosts -- both female journalists with long, lustrous blond hair -- that the aliens “looked just like you.”

Aguilera -- the mother of Bettina Inclan Agen, former Republican National Committee Hispanic outreach director, and mother-in-law of Jarrod Agen, Vice President Pence’s deputy chief of staff -- said the ET visits began when she was 7 years old.

The aliens appeared before her and “telepathically” told her to walk outside. Then they took her into their spaceship and spoke to her about events that would happen, she says. They supposedly told her about ISIS – though she wouldn’t give specific details – and that the world’s energy is in Africa and that God is a universal energy.
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gorgeous wrote:fox-----A Miami-area congressional candidate says she was abducted by aliens when she was 7 years old – and 10 years later, it happened again. ------


Now for the real facts. Bettina Rodriguez Aguilera is a minor USA candidate, with no chance of winning. who previously claimed on a 2009 Spanish TV Panel show to have been abducted and contacted by aliens numerous times. The aliens looked like normal humans and wore robes. The aliens told her "God is a universal energy, not a person,.......God talks to people and they understand it in different ways, but there’s only one religion.” Currently Aguilera is denying she has been contacted by aliens.

http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/20 ... g-congress

It's in Spanish.
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Lance Kennedy wrote:Occam's Razor makes it clear. Magical aliens on the one hand versus basic human delusion. No contest.

There would be no contest if the principle were, simply, "Don't multiply entities." But the principle is actually, "Don't multiply entities without necessity." When it comes to UFOs, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.

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Lance Kennedy wrote:Occam's Razor makes it clear. Magical aliens on the one hand versus basic human delusion. No contest.

There would be no contest if the principle were, simply, "Don't multiply entities." But the principle is actually, "Don't multiply entities without necessity." When it comes to UFOs, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.

Monotheism has never won. That pesky polytheism keeps popping up everywhere.
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Lance Kennedy wrote:Occam's Razor makes it clear. Magical aliens on the one hand versus basic human delusion. No contest.

TEnginist wrote:There would be no contest if the principle were, simply, "Don't multiply entities." But the principle is actually, "Don't multiply entities without necessity."

When it comes to UFOs, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.


Special Pleading
When it comes to secret new aircraft, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.
When it comes to Jesus showing himself, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.
When it comes to radioactive giant flying ants from Arizona, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.
When it comes to mass LSD consumption, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.


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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote:Occam's Razor makes it clear. Magical aliens on the one hand versus basic human delusion. No contest.

TEnginist wrote:There would be no contest if the principle were, simply, "Don't multiply entities." But the principle is actually, "Don't multiply entities without necessity."

When it comes to UFOs, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.


Special Pleading
When it comes to secret new aircraft, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.
When it comes to Jesus showing himself, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.
When it comes to radioactive giant flying ants from Arizona, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.
When it comes to mass LSD consumption, it seems to me that it is necessary to multiply entities.


Special Pleading
Description: Applying standards, principles, and/or rules to other people or circumstances, while making oneself or certain circumstances exempt from the same critical criteria, without providing adequate justification. Special pleading is often a result of strong emotional beliefs that interfere with reason.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:57 pm

Not mostimes?
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Major Malfunction wrote:Not mostimes?

Nah, most kooks don't understand how to use it.
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby TJrandom » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:14 am

The History channel keeps re-re-re-re-running their `ancient alien theorist` series, and they are simply embarrassingly dumb. So I suspect any contemporary aliens simply stay away out of embarrassment – not wanting to be associated with such crap.


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