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Post #1  Postby Skeptic Witness » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:43 pm

The link provided is held on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybPaGerF0TU&feature=player_embedded
This video was hosted by X conference 2009 and has been put up online by UFO TV and is being pushed out by UFO believers as if a credible irrefutable fact.
I have a few major issues with this video, namely

1. Its making out Scientists are paid off and untrustworthy, then uses science and scientists to validate its claims.
2. The science it utilises is seemingly very vague and even down right nonsense.
3. Its pushing forward rumour and unnaccepted theories as if factual.
4. It commits multiple logical offenses in the name of appearing to be good research and credible.

Not only this I have put a few of my own thoughts, although somewhat half assed, about the videos points.
I must be honest a lot of them are not my field and a lot of them still require refuting, particularly the last 25 minutes or so of the lecture. This section is where he tries to use science to baffle the ordinary viewer and to be honest I would love it if someone here could just pull this rubbish apart categorically.

Here are some of the things I say about it, feel free to pull my statements apart or even add to them if there are falsehoods or poor answers that could be better:

1:
"He is a positive abductee, He came in with a lot of memories, He came in with pain in his toe, and was not going in as an individual looking for an implant, but he knew what my other hobby was, and it was coincidence or was told by someone to go to him, then he slowly began telling me about his abduction cases" Roger Leir 11:14- 12:35

Yet he went to a known UFO and alien implant researcher with an object in his toe? I call BS on this and they're trying to make out the individual had no interest in the subject of aliens and UFO's or was looking for an implant, when they have already stated he is a positive on the alien abduction scenario prior to seeing Leir.

2:
@18 minutes he makes the claims the objects are emitting radio signals at two different frequencies, he then goes on to say they are used in deep space telecommunications.But Most importantly he states he has not sent this to be tested and proven by anyone.

Funny thing about deep space radio frequencies used in communication satellites and orbiters of Earth design is these frequencies are used by Human technology. Also the Deep Space communications technology use various frequencies within a wide bandwidth. This being from 1.55 GHz to about 40GHz.

This in laymans terms is a frequency of 1.55 Billion cycles per second to 40 Billion cycles per second

See here for validation of this information
Deep Space Communication

: http://www.scribd.com/doc/23973200/Deep ... munication

This information claimed by Leir would be interesting if he presented actual evidence of the radio emissions, and the tests he conducted and had blind tested to prove this. Also the fact it gives out these frequencies proves nothing of alien origina should he actually provide this evidence.

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@31 he makes claims of spontaneous combustion of soil around an avocado tree. No footage or evidence of this claim is made, but interestingly he claims the soil composition had high levels of
Bromide/Bromine.

Avocado trees have specific fungal rot on their roots and the usual combat that fixes this is a Methyl Bromide solution that is poured onto the ground around the tree to soak up into the roots of the tree to
combat the disease.Phytophthora cinnamomi

Source: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/mort ... o_ars.html

The major disease of avocados in South and Central America and some islands of the West Indies, in California, Hawaii, and various other
areas, is root-rot caused by the fungus, Phytophthora cinnamomi,
which is being combatted by the use of strict sanitary procedures and
resistant rootstocks, especially 'Duke'. At the University of
California, Riverside, over 750 seedlings and cuttings were being tested
for root-rot resistance in 1976 and 1977 and the most promising tried
out for grafting compatibility with commercial cultivars. Also, soil
fumigation experiments with methyl bromide and newly developed chemicals
were being carried forward. The disease has been so devastating in the
high rainfall areas of New South Wales and Queensland that plantings
have expanded into the semi-arid Murray Valley in the hope of avoiding
it. In New Zealand, it is not a problem on deep, volcanic soils, but
occurs on shallow, heavier soils. It was allegedly introduced into
Chile with balled trees from California and vigorous measures are being
taken to control it.

This can easily explain away this issue, and its likely that there have been instances of disease combat on the tree and soil at some point to create this situation of soil composition.

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@32 he discusses the car being magnetised, the following pdf shows that cars being magnetised is nothing unusual at all and in fact studies have been conducted which lead to the tires being the main source of the condition arising in vehicles.

https://prof.hti.bfh.ch/fileadmin/home/ ... vision.pdf

Low frequency magnetic fields in cars, induced by tire magnetisation
Stefan Stankowski*, Andreas Kessi*, Olivier Bécheiraz*, Karl Meier-Engel*,
Martin Meier

ABSTRACT
Alternating magnetic fields have been measured in a variety of different cars, the dominant contribution being from magnetized tires. Magnetic field strengths have been measured as a function of frequency directly at the tires and at different positions in rolling cars. Measurements at the tires showed field strengths up to 100 microTesla. In the interior of rolling cars, close to the wheels at foot regions and at the back seat, field strengths of several microTesla were obtained in the 10 – 200 Hertz frequency domain. In some cases measured field values were considerably higher than those found in previous studies. Purposely magnetizing single tires made it possible to study the influence of various parameters. Degaussed tires retained low field values over prolonged time under conditions of normal use.

5:
In this presentation Leir makes claims of magnetic anomolies throughout the persons building, interestingly enough Dr Michael Persinger a main player in the study of Neuroscience, and specifically the effects of magnetic fields on parietal/temporal regions says the following:

In principle and from the perspective of our empirical observations, derived from about 1000 subjects tested during the last 15 years, there is evidence
that complex, weak magnetic fields can evoke specific experiences. The type
of experience is related in general to the temporal pattern or "time signatures" of
the field and the cerebral hemisphere to which it is applied.

When the fields are applied to the right hemisphere (particularly the parietal/temporal regions) the most typical experience is that of a sensed presence, or entity. We hypothesize that this presence, which is extremely common historically and
cross-culturally, is the awareness of the right hemispheric equivalent of the
left hemispheric (linguistic) sense of self. We also suspect that the presence
is the prototype to religious/mystical experiences. The details of the experience
are strongly determined by the person's beliefs which are supplied by the culture.

We hypothesize that UFO or extraterrestrial visitation experiences--and the many variants of these themes, are the contemporary more secular equivalents of the historical experiences attributed to "visitations". Although
the intensity of our experimental fields range between 0.1 T and 2 T (1 milligauss
or 1000 nT to 20 milligauss), we suspect that significant bioeffects can be
evoked with even smaller intensities if they are applied for longer periods
of time. For example, we found that odd vestibular experiences increase within
our experimental setting if there has been a global geomagnetic disturbance
of more than 25 nT the night before and the global geomagnetic activity is
still above 25 nT. Our experimental work with rats who display enhanced electrical
lability within the limbic system have shown that only one hour exposure to
7 Hz sine waves whose amplitudes incrementally increase and decrease in successive
30 sec increments between 10 and 50 nT (much like the earth's magnetic field)
can evoke significantly neuroelectrical discharges.

Modern neuroscience indicates that any experience is due to specific electromagnetic patterns within the brain. There are also likely to be many different stimuli that can evoke the same or similar electromagnetic pattern and hence experience.
Our experimental procedure is one method. However there are very likely to
be many stimulus sources that evoke similar experiences.

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Post #2  Postby Thylacine » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:49 am

I watched the entire video. The guy fills his speech with extraordinary claims but supplies no real evidence to back them up. Instead, he shows a generic photo from a foot surgery procedure, shows something or other in a vial, then shows some foot x-rays that show nothing in particular.

He claims that through various testing procedures he identified all sorts of rare elements, iron-nickel alloys from meteorites, plus crystals and carbon nanotubes in these surgically removed objects from people's feet. Yet he provides no details and no avenue to check up on the validity of these supposed tests.

I see no need for "scientific refutation" since he supplied no scientific evidence. He simply made a series of claims loaded up with various verbal meanderings and technobabble about the unsubstantiated results of unsubstantiated tests. In other words, an empty speech full of claims with no way to either confirm or refute anything he said. Oh yeah, he's also peddling a book.

The one thing that I can say for sure is that if I ever need of a podiatrist, I won't be calling this guy.
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Post #3  Postby Squishua » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:19 am

Leir!  The podiatrist turned alien implant-removal specialist!

I'm sure his website www.alienscalpel.com is still active.  What more of a refutation could you want?
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Post #4  Postby Skeptic Witness » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:35 pm

Squishua wrote:Leir!  The podiatrist turned alien implant-removal specialist!

I'm sure his website http://www.alienscalpel.com is still active.  What more of a refutation could you want?


oh its got a big donation button on it too "Support Dr. Leir's work and A & S Research by Donating.
All cash donations are fully tax deductible. All proceeds will be used for scientific physical abduction research.", I think thats an interesting point that he cant afford his own website on a doctors salary, and a book author/lecturer.
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Post #5  Postby Skeptic Witness » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:45 pm

Thylacine wrote:I watched the entire video. The guy fills his speech with extraordinary claims but supplies no real evidence to back them up. Instead, he shows a generic photo from a foot surgery procedure, shows something or other in a vial, then shows some foot x-rays that show nothing in particular.

He claims that through various testing procedures he identified all sorts of rare elements, iron-nickel alloys from meteorites, plus crystals and carbon nanotubes in these surgically removed objects from people's feet. Yet he provides no details and no avenue to check up on the validity of these supposed tests.

I see no need for "scientific refutation" since he supplied no scientific evidence. He simply made a series of claims loaded up with various verbal meanderings and technobabble about the unsubstantiated results of unsubstantiated tests. In other words, an empty speech full of claims with no way to either confirm or refute anything he said. Oh yeah, he's also peddling a book.

The one thing that I can say for sure is that if I ever need of a podiatrist, I won't be calling this guy.


True enough, though he does provide a lot of information on his website about the case here...
http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/ ... mithv3.pdf

This has images, graphs and tables with all the details in it, to me it sounds like its all exagerated after reading it, but I am no chemsit so the content cant be completely refuted by me. Though to be honest as always and like you said the gaps get filled in with speculation to lead the reader towards a conclusion.

And other stuff hes plonked on his website.
http://www.alienscalpel.com/research
raw data: http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/ ... awData.pdf
trace imourities: http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/ ... 110609.pdf
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Post #6  Postby Flash » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:05 am

What?  The pederast turned alien implant-removal specialist? Stay away from him do you hear!
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Post #7  Postby Squishua » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:31 am

Pederast?  I believe he then would have been an alien implant-inserter specialist. :shocked:
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Post #8  Postby OlegTheBatty » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:55 am

Reversal of fortune?
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Post #9  Postby Squishua » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:11 am

Leir is fortunate either way!
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Post #10  Postby barber » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:33 am

believe nothing this guy says. he is full of it. check out http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK0708/S00351.htm
he says in 2007 he has implants as proof that have been tested and will be retested. 4 years on still no testing still no proof would love to goto a conferance of his and ask him about it out right to show him up. i hate people that play on the weakneses of others for profit.

by the way you password requirment is really annoying why does it have to be as secure as a bank??
i use a generic very long password when i register for anything but yours requires a capital and a number. for what reason other than annoyance do you require such a strong password system????? you dont have my bank details???
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Post #11  Postby spooky1980 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:04 am

I'm not quite sure I agree with the original post. As a cognitive neuropsychologist I think the fact that one can produce abnormal feelings of a presence in the room by using electromagnetic stimulation is irrelevant here.

The main point is this guy has been experiencing two different phenomenons which were related to alien abduction. I totally agree that if he only presented with one of these phenomenons then you could explain it in a logical and scientific way. However to treat each one as different and then explain them away without linking them up is not good science and just showed a high degree of bias to the claims of this so called Dr Leir.

I think one issue which noone has actually explained is why some of these so called implants had radiation signatures which were from space. These have been tested in laboratories and confirmed. One possibility is that they are just tiny meteorites which bombard Earth hundreds of thousands of times a day and somehow they've been ingested or picked up by these so-called abductees. At the end of the day you do hear about people getting spat on the head by space debris and rocks.

I do not buy the whole electromagnetic field story. In neuropsychology we do experiments on rats as the post stated, but comparing a rat's behaviour and brain to a human is poor science and unreliable. In any way it would be very unlikely that this abductee would be subjected to these kinds of EM fields for a prolonged period of time. It is more likely that he has some kind of mental health issue which can quite easily produce feelings of not being in one's own body and paranoia. However, again it does not explain the strange implant in his toe.

Dr Leir is not the only scientist to make these claims and one thing which concerns me more is that they are mostly from Northern America. So if we are looking at a real phenomenon then it's important to undertand why it is Northern America and Central America who report these occurances. I can't imagine it is a culture aspects because Brazil and Mexico are a lot different to the US and Canada.

Don't know if anyone has got any suggestions?

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Post #12  Postby RICH-ENGLAND » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:11 am

there's some bits about roger leir in this episode of penn and tellers bs
http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/play ... hWGkcWU3lA

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Post #13  Postby spooky1980 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:50 am

It is a really interesting video but the major issue which I have is it is that it has been set up to make people look completely crazy, which 99% of them appeared to be.

The most interesting part of the video was that the clinical psychologist totally dismissed hypnosis. If you search the current literature in peer reviewed journals of memory there is strong evidence that hypnosis can enhance memory functioning in people with dementia and other neurological disorders. This research has actually been done by some of my colleagues and although I am not suggesting that hypnosis can be used to promote regressed memories I am saying that it is a useful tool in exploring memory function. The problem with that film is that we saw a so-called hypnotherapist who had her own agenda and was not performing the hypnosis correctly. I will give you an example of some research by Akira O'Connor and Chris Moulin, and if you google it on scholar I believe you can read the abstract and it shows how people with brain damage who have memory impairments can recall information under hypnosis which they can not recall in their normal state.

My other major issue is the argument that this abduction phenomenon has come from films and popular culture. There is an issue here because the majority of films and stories are based on people's personal experiences and grouping together experiences from different people. So just to say that these people have been watching too much X-Files and then dream about it is fairly insulting because I would hope that the majority of people can distinguish between a dream and something other than a dream. However, it is impossible to rule out night terrors and sleep paralysis which can be misinterpreted. This is one reason why more scientific investigation is needed which is impartial.

Finally, although it appears that there is no real consensus about who these aliens are and what they are doing, it is important to consider that 60 years ago we did not regard schizophrenia as a genuine illness. So, in my opinion there is clearly something wrong with these people and because it is very culturally biased it needs investigating in a proper way, not by Pen and Teller who are just taking the mick and ironically making money out of it which they criticised the convention organisers, hypnotherapists etc for.
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Post #14  Postby Major Malfunction » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:41 pm

spooky1980 wrote:Don't know if anyone has got any suggestions?

Some people will do anything for attention?

Buying a tiny fragment of meteorite on ebay, making a tiny incision in one's toe, and inserting the fragment hardly seems beyond the realms of probability.
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Post #15  Postby spooky1980 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:25 pm

Perhaps, but if you're going to hoax something why hire a complete nutter like his case study? Surely you would just find someone who's normal and who will keep quiet about the hoax...at the end of the day if you're trying to sell books you're going to want someone who seems genuine and not a complete nut case. However you can't rule out something like schizotypal personality disorder...I just thought ti was too ironic how Pen and Teller were getting paid for debunking something when they criticised for making money out of it. Also the hypnosis argument does not hold water...the brain has a way of covering up traumatic memories as in PTSD and hypnosis has been shown to be effective in retrieving those memories. At the end of the day you've got to ask whether you're looking at the case in an objective way or in a way that you want to debunk it beyond scientific evidence?
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Post #16  Postby Major Malfunction » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:45 pm

Believe what you wanna believe, spook.

We're through.
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Post #17  Postby Donnageddon » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:46 am

spooky1980 wrote:Perhaps, but if you're going to hoax something why hire a complete nutter like his case study? Surely you would just find someone who's normal and who will keep quiet about the hoax...at the end of the day if you're trying to sell books you're going to want someone who seems genuine and not a complete nut case. However you can't rule out something like schizotypal personality disorder...I just thought ti was too ironic how Pen and Teller were getting paid for debunking something when they criticised for making money out of it. Also the hypnosis argument does not hold water...the brain has a way of covering up traumatic memories as in PTSD and hypnosis has been shown to be effective in retrieving those memories. At the end of the day you've got to ask whether you're looking at the case in an objective way or in a way that you want to debunk it beyond scientific evidence?


I see no problem with someone being paid to expose a lie. It is people getting paid to lie that I find troubling. The person exposing the lie is performing a service, while the person lying is performing a con.
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Post #18  Postby Austin Harper » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:53 pm

Well put, Donna!
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Post #19  Postby OlegTheBatty » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:13 pm

Alien implants does not need scientific refutation.
Alien implants needs credible evidence.
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Post #20  Postby spooky1980 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:04 pm

My point is that Penn and Teller were using the most uncredible people to make money and refute something which they have not properly investigated...and they were making money out of it. If scientists try to investigate it in a credible way then it could be refuted properly. By refuting it using comedy does not add to any kind of understanding of the phenomena.
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Post #21  Postby RICH-ENGLAND » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:38 am

spooky1980 wrote:My point is that Penn and Teller were using the most uncredible people to make money and refute something which they have not properly investigated...and they were making money out of it. If scientists try to investigate it in a credible way then it could be refuted properly. By refuting it using comedy does not add to any kind of understanding of the phenomena.


would you care to point to one decent case that has any real evidence worthy of scientific investigation?.

most of these people are either straight out con artists or delusional crackpots, i used to be a huge believer in ufos... but since the dawn of the internet and a bit of reading it has become quite apparent to me that there isn't much to this alleged phenomena, id love to be proved wrong but i dont think thats ever going to happen. we may discover life elsewhere at some point but i very much doubt they're visiting us and do not believe in alien abductions at all now.

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Post #22  Postby Austin Harper » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:29 pm

Well said.  I think the discovery of a real UFO or even the detection of something by SETI would be fantastic, but I don't expect it to ever actually happen.
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Post #23  Postby RICH-ENGLAND » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:52 am

here is the solution to alien abductions...
http://www.stopabductions.com/
although im not really sure which one is the biggest fantasy, abductions or the solution...

thanks to mosfet on another site for the find.

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Post #24  Postby Monster » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:30 pm

RICH-ENGLAND wrote:here is the solution to alien abductions...
http://www.stopabductions.com/
although im not really sure which one is the biggest fantasy, abductions or the solution...

thanks to mosfet on another site for the find.

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Post #25  Postby spooky1980 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:10 am

Not sure if the thought screen helmet is evidence that people are not getting abducted. My point was that we don't really know what is going on here and if people don't investigate credibly and scientifically then you will get nutcases who exploit people like the hypnotist on Penn and Teller.

There are probably two good reasons why noone has seen a crashed UFO, first if someone can develop the technology to travel vast light years then in all probability it's not going to break down very often and just fall to earth. Second it is entirely possible that world governments have agreed to keep any evidence quiet because it would change the whole way in which the world is run. It's okay if you are a rational person and you can understand the concept of ETs, but imagine if you are a very religious person or someone who is slightly unstable...the knowledge of life which is not of earth would just create complete social and political chaos. The concept of religion would just break down and you would get so much civil unrest that governments would not function.

On the other hand, it is likely that there are no ETs which can travel to earth and if they could why would they abduct complete fruitcases and not people who were professional and logical. It is also however possible that many credible people experience this phenomena but don't talk about it because we label them as nutters or hoaxes.
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Post #26  Postby Gord » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:57 am

spooky1980 wrote:There are probably two good reasons why noone has seen a crashed UFO....

I think there's a third good reason, which is the best:  No one has seen a crashed UFO because, once they do see it, it's no longer a UFO -- it's an Identified Flying Object.  And so far, all of those have been terrestrial.

...it is likely that there are no ETs which can travel to earth....

It's even more likely that no ETs have travelled to earth, even if there are ETs which could.  For example, humans could travel to Pluto, but none have.  The difficulties outweigh the rewards.  The same could reasonably be postulated for extraterrestrial civilizations hundreds or thousands of lightyears from us; there's just no good reason to travel all this way.
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Post #27  Postby Austin Harper » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:15 pm

Gord wrote:there's just no good reason to travel all this way.

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Re: Dr Roger Leir - Alien Implants [needs scientific refutat

Post #28  Postby Hex » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:14 pm

Austin Harper wrote:
Gord wrote:there's just no good reason to travel all this way.

We have cake!

And we eat it to! No cake left for the aliens, so why should they come.
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Re: Dr Roger Leir - Alien Implants [needs scientific refutat

Post #29  Postby Austin Harper » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:27 pm

Hex wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:
Gord wrote:there's just no good reason to travel all this way.

We have cake!

And we eat it to! No cake left for the aliens, so why should they come.

I promise: If any aliens come, I will gladly bake them a cake.
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Re: Dr Roger Leir - Alien Implants [needs scientific refutat

Post #30  Postby Gord » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:43 pm

Austin Harper wrote:
Hex wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:
Gord wrote:there's just no good reason to travel all this way.

We have cake!

And we eat it to! No cake left for the aliens, so why should they come.

I promise: If any aliens come, I will gladly bake them a cake.

They can't see it, hold it up higher.

Or maybe if we painted a sign...?
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Re: Dr Roger Leir - Alien Implants [needs scientific refutat

Post #31  Postby Hex » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:22 pm

Gord wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:
Hex wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:
Gord wrote:there's just no good reason to travel all this way.

We have cake!

And we eat it to! No cake left for the aliens, so why should they come.

I promise: If any aliens come, I will gladly bake them a cake.

They can't see it, hold it up higher.

Or maybe if we painted a sign...?

I think crop circles would serve better here.
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Re: Dr Roger Leir - Alien Implants [needs scientific refutat

Post #32  Postby Gord » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:47 am

Hex wrote:
Gord wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:
Hex wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:We have cake!

And we eat it to! No cake left for the aliens, so why should they come.

I promise: If any aliens come, I will gladly bake them a cake.

They can't see it, hold it up higher.

Or maybe if we painted a sign...?

I think crop circles would serve better here.

All my crop circles got erased. :frown: Damn harvesters, harvesting all the wheat to make flour for our cakes!
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Re: Dr Roger Leir - Alien Implants [needs scientific refutat

Post #33  Postby spooky1980 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:29 pm

The question of why would anyone come to Earth is completely illogical. Why have we gone to the Moon and Mars? To explore. Why do we cut up monkeys brains? To explore and understand how they work.

And perhaps they just don't know how to bake a cake on Vulcan ;)
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Re: Dr Roger Leir - Alien Implants [needs scientific refutat

Post #34  Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:43 am

Bake it, they come.
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Re: Dr Roger Leir - Alien Implants [needs scientific refutat

Post #35  Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:30 pm

spooky1980 wrote:The question of why would anyone come to Earth is completely illogical. Why have we gone to the Moon and Mars? To explore. Why do we cut up monkeys brains? To explore and understand how they work.

Why would they come, say, 2,939,312,686,591,803.5 miles to just explore?
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Post #36  Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:31 pm

As for Leir's "implants", argument from ignorance says if you can't explain it, ALIENS!
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Re: Dr Roger Leir - Alien Implants [needs scientific refutat

Post #37  Postby octopus1 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:21 pm

I think the OP has torn it apart perfectly well without any help!

My only question would be (And this is "out-there"!) - How old was the person who came to Leir with the implant?

Old enough for a small self-mutilation scar to have had time to heal completely or nearly completely?

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