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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:35 am

Soap.


(Maybe not common, but works for me. :-P)
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Postby JO 753 » Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:42 am

There iz no real explanation. Skeptics simply deny it and bleeverz credit magnetizm or static electrisity.

Herez a branspankin new hypothosis: The wearerz are oscilating in time and that goofs up any kind uv time keeping devise. Maybe everybody iz actually moving back & forth a few microsecondz but sum people more than normal in amplitude andor frequensy & it stressez gearz and electronics.

The evidens to support this iz that many people hav this watch rekking affliction and the current science explanationz dont work. Also possibly that a watch on a shelf lasts way longer than a regularly worn watch even for ordinary people?
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:11 am

Watch it. :-P
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Postby Austin Harper » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:24 pm

Here's my hypothesis: some people break their watches a lot being carless and they don't notice it at the time. Or they have some sort of external electromagnetic influence on digital watches that they don't notice. Or they overwind mechanical watches and break the springs.
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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby [moonwoman2015] » Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:29 pm

Austin Harper wrote:The "electromagnetic energy" disrupts the operation of a watch that runs on springs? How does that work?
It magnetizes the springs I assume. I've taken apart my watches and found the springs weren't over wound. Nothing visible. An electrician told me my watches were magnetized.

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Austin Harper » Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:57 pm

So you took a mechanical watch to an electrician? Why not to a watchmaker? How did you determine that the watch wasn't over wound? What does an over wound spring look like?
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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Gord » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:18 am

[moonwoman2015] wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:The "electromagnetic energy" disrupts the operation of a watch that runs on springs? How does that work?
It magnetizes the springs I assume. I've taken apart my watches and found the springs weren't over wound. Nothing visible. An electrician told me my watches were magnetized.

Austin Harper wrote:So you took a mechanical watch to an electrician? Why not to a watchmaker? How did you determine that the watch wasn't over wound? What does an over wound spring look like?

Not just an electrician, but a magnetism specialist dealing in broken watches?
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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby gbantjes » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:35 am

Bart Stewart wrote:
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Bart Stewart wrote:...I've known various people over years, including two relatives, who insist they cannot wear wrist watches because they invariably stop working after a short period of time. No these are not jack-hammer operators, just regular folks who say that they have given up on wrist watches after multiple failed attempts to find a one that will function on their wrist. The implication is that close contact with the person is causing the mechanism to fail.


I and my grandmother are two of these people. I can't wear them. Doesn't matter how carefully I try to take care of them they end up freezing and just stop working after about a week. Digital watches are fine, no problem. The clockworks stop, even if they're run by a battery.

At one point I tried pocket watches. They lasted longer, but after about a month they'd feeze up too.


Great, somebody here has first hand knowledge of this. (What are the odds of that?)So what's your theory on it? Why would perfectly good watch mechanisms stop on some people and not others?

The bit about digital watches running fine is interesting. I'd almost think it would be the reverse. When your watches stop, are they usable again for someone else or are they kaput? You have to admit it's an interesting topic, and sounds like some ot this exotic energy stuff that we routinely read about around here. I tend to think there is a logical explanation but I don't know what it is.


7 years ago is when I 1st experienced this. I bought a decent watch in England & on that same day it stopped. If I took it off & gave it a tap or moved the dials, it would start again but stop later. I took it back the next day & bought an analogue & digital mix. That watch works fine. About 2 years later I was given a SWATCH that was analogue. Brand new battery, same story. My dual watch got stolen 6 years later since I bought it so I got another dual watch which has been working fine ever since. 1 other thing I realised was we were busy with a science project in school. When I was near, the compass wasn't functioning properly, I think we had to generate a magnetic field with a battery & wires & if I stepped back, it worked fine. It seems like DNA actually carries a negative charge & maybe it is just higher in some people & that causes the watches to stop working

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Postby Austin Harper » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:13 pm

Or, more likely, your "decent" watch wasn't as good as you thought it was. What mechanism in DNA would produce a magnetic field?
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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Zonker » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:56 pm

People who can't wear watches are people whose electromagnetic field is unusually strong, so that it stops the watch mechanism. How magnetism affects watches can be easily tested by holding a magnet to the watch. People who can't wear watches can go to a science exploratorium and measure their EM field output on the appropriate instrument there, and compare with their friends. They can easily see that their field is stronger. There's nothing "woo-woo" about this. It's normal human variation, known to science for a very long time. European watchmakers and watch repairmen are very knowledgeable about this phenomenon as well; it can be pretty interesting talking to them about this. As you might imagine, they have plenty of experience with people bringing them perfectly functional watches, claiming that they're broken.

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Gord » Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:26 am

Zonker wrote:People who can't wear watches are people whose electromagnetic field is unusually strong, so that it stops the watch mechanism. How magnetism affects watches can be easily tested by holding a magnet to the watch. People who can't wear watches can go to a science exploratorium and measure their EM field output on the appropriate instrument there, and compare with their friends. They can easily see that their field is stronger.

Utter rubbish. The amount of variation in the weak magnetic fields of humans is not significant enough to affect watches. For a magnetic field to be strong enough to damage a watch, it would have to be stronger than the local magnetic field of the Earth, and easily measurable -- you'd be able to test it simply with a compass. No one's biomagnetic field is that strong.

There's nothing "woo-woo" about this.

It's entirely woo-woo, there's nothing else to it.

European watchmakers and watch repairmen are very knowledgeable about this phenomenon as well; it can be pretty interesting talking to them about this. As you might imagine, they have plenty of experience with people bringing them perfectly functional watches, claiming that they're broken.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". Watchmakers do not study or work with electromagnetic fields; they make watches.
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Postby gorgeous » Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:17 pm

It happens to people who have encounters with aliens, too....very common with them...including traffic lights going out as they approach...Whitley Strieber said it often happened to him....
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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Zonker » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:22 pm

Gord wrote:It's entirely woo-woo, there's nothing else to it.
It IS woo-woo? You believe in woo-woo? I believe in science.
Gord wrote:The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". Watchmakers do not study or work with electromagnetic fields; they make watches.
They know what affects watches. They know how watches work, and what stops them from working. It's not about "damaging" the watch. It's simply about causing the parts to stop. When you give the watch to someone with a normal EM output, it starts up again, because there was nothing wrong with it to begin with. The variation between different people's EM energy generated has been measured in detail by Russian scientists, and to some extent at the University of Arizona, Tucson, which studies human and other biological EM fields.

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Poodle » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:07 pm

Zonker wrote:... The variation between different people's EM energy generated has been measured in detail by Russian scientists, and to some extent at the University of Arizona, Tucson, which studies human and other biological EM fields.


And the results were ...???

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Zonker » Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:59 pm

Poodle wrote:
Zonker wrote:... The variation between different people's EM energy generated has been measured in detail by Russian scientists, and to some extent at the University of Arizona, Tucson, which studies human and other biological EM fields.


And the results were ...???
Off the top of my head, the Russians found that the average person gives of EM waves at a frequency of 5 Hz, typically. "Healers" and watch-stoppers (lol) function at a frequency of 7-9 Hz. I have a friend who can modulate her output at will, as measured at the exploratorium at Los Alamos National Lab, in NM.

The head of the research lab at U of Az who deals with this published a book about it. I'll look it up and get back to you, if you're interested.

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:07 pm

Zonker wrote: Off the top of my head, the Russians found that the average person gives of EM waves at a frequency of 5 Hz, typically.
You are definitely going to have to find this "gem" of information. When communism fell, as well as returning to churches, there was a a massive "woo" movement spurt in Russia.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:47 pm

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The head of the research lab at U of Az who deals with this published a book about it. I'll look it up and get back to you, if you're interested.

You're talking about Gary Schwartz and friends?
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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Zonker » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:50 pm

MarkgaB5 wrote:the nervous system is electric. ALL human bodies are different .. who are you to say some people have more electricity in their bodies ? there are many , many cases other than that woman's .. too many to dismiss .

so far noone has gave any valid arguments against this theory which is consistent with what is occurring.
Markga, you're on the right track, wrong specifics, though. The body is electrical, that's basic anatomy and physiology. The heart's natural ticker is electric. The brain's functioning is electric. What causes muscles to tense and relax is an electrical function that has the nutritional electrolytes we consume with food at its base. Anyone who doubts this can ask any nurse or doctor. Is this really being questioned on this forum? I thought Skeptic forum was about science, and shedding the light of science on superstition and other erroneous beliefs.

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Postby Zonker » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:52 pm

Austin Harper wrote:The "electromagnetic energy" disrupts the operation of a watch that runs on springs? How does that work?
It stops the metal parts. Try it yourself with a magnet.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:14 pm

:lol:

Looks like the new user won't respond to his elicited responses but flood the board with scientific sounding newage sewage. And chat with a former - but sadly banned - handle. I guess there is a sense of connection, like-mindedness and alignment with 27.

Must be lonely where s/he's at...


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Postby Zonker » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:12 pm

scrmbldggs wrote::lol:

Looks like the new user won't respond to his elicited responses but flood the board with scientific sounding newage sewage. And chat with a former - but sadly banned - handle. I guess there is a sense of connection, like-mindedness and alignment with 27.

Must be lonely where s/he's at...


...and scary. Why, there's puddles and fans... and sea monsters...
Yes, Gary Schwartz. The article you linked talks mainly about his research into mediumship and consciousness, not his work measuring the human energy field.

It might help if you could explain what part of the science behind this you're having trouble with. Then we could address specific issues. The fact that the human body (and other living things) have an electromagnetic field is known science, and has been since the early-to-mid 20th Century sometime. (I've discussed it with physicists at Los Alamos National Lab. They tend to get exasperated at how uninformed about basic science the general public is.) And of course, neurologists study the electrical function of the brain, and the electrical aspects of body function are covered in any A & P 101 course. The fact that watches stop in the presence of magnetic fields is easily testable. So what part of this scenario are you having a problem with?

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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:32 pm

Instead of simple assertions and attempting to connect valid science to woo, please show one verified test where the field of a human stops a watch.
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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Zonker » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:18 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Instead of simple assertions and attempting to connect valid science to woo, please show one verified test where the field of a human stops a watch.
Oh, is that the requirement now? Funny, I thought this was a discussion forum. I've added some science background to the discussion that people might find interesting, and that might spur them to look into it further. Do you live near a national lab, or a university? You can talk to scientists there, or attend a class to find out more about the body's EM properties, the planet's magnetosphere and how it affects living things and objects on Earth, and so forth. Hell, you might even learn something! I find it all quite fascinating.

Bro, if there were a study done specifically on the effects of the human EM field on watches, don't you think someone would have posted a link in the first couple of pages here? What you're trying to do now is shut down the conversation, just because you can't respond to the info I've posted, other than to dismiss it out of hand. Not very sporting nor scientific of you. And btw, ad hominem attacks (sorry I chose the wrong username; it was just a random thing) are the last resort of people who can't refute arguments or facts presented in someone's post. Not very sporting of you, either, and generally not accepted procedure on forums. It certainly doesn't do anything to advance the discussion.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:25 pm

Zonker wrote:Bro, if there were a study done specifically on the effects of the human EM field on watches, don't you think someone would have posted a link in the first couple of pages here?


Please resolve with:

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The "electromagnetic energy" disrupts the operation of a watch that runs on springs? How does that work?

It stops the metal parts. Try it yourself with a magnet.


Yep....just what you said. What is confusing though, is when I put the same watch in my arm pit, within my cupped hands, or in my crotch....it just keeps on ticking.

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Zonker wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Instead of simple assertions and attempting to connect valid science to woo, please show one verified test where the field of a human stops a watch.
Oh, is that the requirement now?

Yes.

Funny, I thought this was a discussion forum. I've added some science background to the discussion that people might find interesting, and that might spur them to look into it further. Do you live near a national lab, or a university? You can talk to scientists there, or attend a class to find out more about the body's EM properties, the planet's magnetosphere and how it affects living things and objects on Earth, and so forth. Hell, you might even learn something! I find it all quite fascinating.

Bro, if there were a study done specifically on the effects of the human EM field on watches, don't you think someone would have posted a link in the first couple of pages here? What you're trying to do now is shut down the conversation, just because you can't respond to the info I've posted, other than to dismiss it out of hand. Not very sporting nor scientific of you. And btw, ad hominem attacks (sorry I chose the wrong username; it was just a random thing) are the last resort of people who can't refute arguments or facts presented in someone's post. Not very sporting of you, either, and generally not accepted procedure on forums. It certainly doesn't do anything to advance the discussion.

As in having to (unsuccessfully) pull info about Gary Schwartz outta your - whoknowswhat. (AFAIK, he was somehow connected to some research about remote viewing, if I remember correctly, but I no longer recall the details.)
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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Poodle » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:49 pm

I liked your post, bobbo, although I'm not necessarily going to believe that you've actually tested the effects of putting a watch in your crotch.

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

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Zonker wrote: I thought this was a discussion forum.
This is a skeptic forum. That means if you make a specific claim, you need to back it up.

Zonker wrote:Bro, if there were a study done specifically on the effects of the human EM field on watches, don't you think someone would have posted a link in the first couple of pages here?
Firstly, we debunk other people's claims, such as Uri Geller "stopping watches". (It was a simple conjurer's trick). I can present articles of that nature to you.

You haven't yet shown us an iota of evidence that people can stop watches due to their personal electromagnetic waves. You haven't gotten to first base yet.

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Zonker wrote:The fact that watches stop in the presence of magnetic fields is easily testable.

What if it's brass?
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Postby Poodle » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:23 am

What if it's brass AND in bobbo's crotch?

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Zonker wrote: I thought this was a discussion forum.
This is a skeptic forum. That means if you make a specific claim, you need to back it up.

Zonker wrote:Bro, if there were a study done specifically on the effects of the human EM field on watches, don't you think someone would have posted a link in the first couple of pages here?
Firstly, we debunk other people's claims, such as Uri Geller "stopping watches". (It was a simple conjurer's trick). I can present articles of that nature to you.

You haven't yet shown us an iota of evidence that people can stop watches due to their personal electromagnetic waves. You haven't gotten to first base yet.
Uri Geller was revealed to be a fake a long time ago. So what else is new? Evidence? When it happens to you, you'll know. But seriously, it's usually something that develops just prior to, or during adolescence. Then it's with you the rest of your life. It's not a parlor trick, like Geller pretended to do; something you can do at will, turning it on and off, AFAIK. Some people (like me) can't wear mechanical watches, but are fine with battery-powered ones. Other people can't wear the battery-powered ones, either.

The more extreme cases not only stop the watches, but the watch has highly erratic functioning: zooming forward, then slowly moving backward, stopping, starting, fast-forwarding again. Typically, such people take the watches in for repair, and are told there's nothing wrong. Since AFAIK there hasn't been a formal study of this, the only evidence is if you know someone who has this problem. Then you could experiment with them; give them your watch and see what happens, for example, observing them over the course of an hour or however long it takes until the watch stops. However, as discussed earlier, there's basic science that could explain it.

I've been looking for the forum guidelines, to see if links are required for every claim. I doubt it, as most people on this thread haven't posted any, and it wasn't demanded it of them. I thought it was about sharing info, comparing experiences and observations. If there are official guidelines, could you direct me to those?

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Poodle » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:58 am

The clue's in the word 'skeptic', Zonker.

You see, you're making claims such as "... not only stop the watches, but the watch has highly erratic functioning: zooming forward, then slowly moving backward, stopping, starting, fast-forwarding again..." but provide no evidence. YOU may think you have the evidence, but we can't see it from where we're standing. I honestly doubt that any watch ran backwards as a result of electromagnetic interference - yet that's one of your claims. So - no forum guidelines per se, but a tacit understanding that if you want to make such a claim, then be prepared to back it up with sound evidence that is verifiable by someone who may be a thousand miles away from you.

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

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Zonker wrote: Evidence? When it happens to you, you'll know.
That is not evidence.
Zonker wrote:But seriously, it's usually something that develops just prior to, or during adolescence.
That is not evidence.
Zonker wrote:The more extreme cases not only stop the watches, but .......
That is not evidence.

What you are clearly showing is that you haven't got one iota of evidence that a person's electromagnetic wave emissions can stop a watch, and you are posting on a skeptic forum, which requires evidence. :D

Zonker wrote: I've been looking for the forum guidelines, to see if links are required for every claim.....
This forum is called The Skeptic Society Forum. Amazingly, this is because we are skeptics who ask for evidence, when people make claims. What did you think this forum is about? cooking tips? :D

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:03 am

Poodle wrote:What if it's brass AND in bobbo's crotch?

Then the watch turns green, and its 6 oclock.......all night long....or short.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:06 am

Zonker wrote:When it happens to you, you'll know.

What It? Brain Tumor? Chemical Imbalance???

1. What happens to you is called: "anecdotal evidence" and it backs up EVERYTHING you Zonker don't believe in. Note what that means? Ha, ha. Yes I know...."you" are a special case as every snowflake is.

2. eye witness testimony: known as the most unreliable and easily manipulated.

3. Brain study show on tv last night: memories evolve and change over time...even the dramtic "snap shot" memories that burn so hot they could not be anything other than as claimed.

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Postby Poodle » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:13 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:What did you think this forum is about? cooking tips? [/color] :D


Ah - I feel a whole new thread in the making. Cuisine du Maison d'Ellard.

Cotelets de Wombat. Bush Turkey avec Bush Actuelle. Rouge Bellied Black en Sauce Aspic.

This could go far ...

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Zonker wrote: Evidence? When it happens to you, you'll know.
That is not evidence.
Zonker wrote:But seriously, it's usually something that develops just prior to, or during adolescence.
That is not evidence.
Zonker wrote:The more extreme cases not only stop the watches, but .......
That is not evidence.

What you are clearly showing is that you haven't got one iota of evidence that a person's electromagnetic wave emissions can stop a watch, and you are posting on a skeptic forum, which requires evidence. :D

Zonker wrote: I've been looking for the forum guidelines, to see if links are required for every claim.....
This forum is called The Skeptic Society Forum. Amazingly, this is because we are skeptics who ask for evidence, when people make claims. What did you think this forum is about? cooking tips? :D
It was a joke! My gawd, lighten up! (Notice, it's followed by the word, "Seriously..." :roll: )

Why are you still demanding evidence? I addressed that in my post.

I already said what I thought the forum was about, and why I'm participating on this thread. You shouldn't have to ask.


It's interesting that when someone joins the discussion who can actually offer a plausible explanation for the phenomenon, suddenly people get hostile and start demanding evidence, resort to ad hominem attacks, and have a hard time dealing with it. Compared to the people who posted earlier, whose posts were more speculative. But, whatever. I'm just here to offer folks who have experienced this, and who might be curious about it, a potential explanation. Enjoy. Or, not.

You're welcome to check out people who can't wear watches, and prove it's not their own magnetism that's doing it, btw. Everyone's free to experiment with it, to see what happens. Testing a hypothesis--that's science. Putting a magnet to the watch and seeing the watch stop--at least that proves magnetism can stop watch parts. It's a step in the right direction.

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Poodle » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:20 am

No, it isn't. This is where you're going wrong, Zonker. The difference in magnitude between a magnet and the electromagnetic field of a human body is like comparing a meteorite to Jupiter. The onus is on you - you have an interesting proposition but you must back that up with realistic physics.

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:33 am

What s/he's talking about is typical Newage stuff. Nothing new at all. :roll:

And I somehow doubt much of the tales. Sorry, here comes another ad hom: you said "I've discussed it with physicists at Los Alamos National Lab." Who exactly were you taking to at Los Alamos?
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Lard, save me from your followers.

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Poodle » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:48 am

And there I was being nice.

(Honest).

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Re: The People Who Can't Wear Watches

Postby Austin Harper » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:50 am

Zonker wrote:Why are you still demanding evidence? I addressed that in my post.

Because this is the Skeptics Society forum. We want evidence for claims.

Zonker wrote:I already said what I thought the forum was about, and why I'm participating on this thread. You shouldn't have to ask.

This forum is about science and critical thinking. Do you know what science requires? Evidence.

Zonker wrote:It's interesting that when someone joins the discussion who can actually offer a plausible explanation for the phenomenon, suddenly people get hostile and start demanding evidence, resort to ad hominem attacks, and have a hard time dealing with it. Compared to the people who posted earlier, whose posts were more speculative. But, whatever. I'm just here to offer folks who have experienced this, and who might be curious about it, a potential explanation. Enjoy. Or, not.

But you didn't provide a plausible explanation. You just made claims without backing them up.

Zonker wrote:You're welcome to check out people who can't wear watches, and prove it's not their own magnetism that's doing it, btw. Everyone's free to experiment with it, to see what happens. Testing a hypothesis--that's science. Putting a magnet to the watch and seeing the watch stop--at least that proves magnetism can stop watch parts. It's a step in the right direction.

Well we could do that if such people actually existed. Perhaps you could give us the contact information for some such people?
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