Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

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Re: Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

Postby psychiatry is a scam » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:54 am

there is no polite way to say this .
saving kids like this is more than an enormous waste of time , money and resources .
99.9 % of the time it also creates years of suffering for all those involved .

ironically I just watched a video recording made by teens watching a man drown .
no charges , they broke no law
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makes sense 2me , so it has 2be wrong .

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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:11 pm

skipped to the end of the video - facts of actual condition ?
did not look normal / walking at the end of video .
liver transplant ?
kidney transplant ?
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Re: Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

Postby Gord » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:49 pm

Mmm, skepticism.... :drool:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/healt ... 52441.html

Did hyperbaric oxygen therapy really reverse brain damage in a two-year-old girl who nearly drowned?

...Doctors at the LSU New Orleans School of Medicine said they used hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which involves breathing pure oxygen in a pressurised enclosed chamber, to revive toddler Eden Carlson after the accident that left her without a heartbeat for two hours.

But experts have reacted to the news with scepticism, with one noting “there has been a long history of claims for hyperbaric therapy which have not been supported by evidence”....

...The FDA website states that “hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) has not been clinically proven to cure or be effective in the treatment of cancer, autism, or diabetes” despite “all kinds of claims” made online that it can be used to treat these and other diseases....

...[W]hile the reported improvement in Eden’s condition is unquestionably good news, some doctors remain unconvinced hyperbaric oxygen therapy is the reason for her recovery.

Dr Oliver Sykes, a consultant anaesthetist at University College London Hospitals (UCLH) who is himself a hyperbaric physician, offering the treatment to divers in emergencies, told The Independent hyperbaric therapy “is not a recognised treatment for brain injury, as occurs for example during drowning”.

“We don’t use hyperbaric therapy for anything like this in the UK,” he said, adding that Dr Harch’s claims “seem far-fetched to me”.

“I can’t think of a reason why what has been reported would have happened, and I’d be very surprised if this was a repeatable result. I haven’t heard of this kind of reported outcome before.

“In the UK we know hyperbaric therapy is good for things like the bends, experienced when divers surface too rapidly; and for arterial gas embolism (when gas bubbles are introduced into the bloodstream) – NHS England funds hyperbaric therapy for those two things.

“In the US, hyperbaric therapy is also used for treatment of diabetic foot ulcers, but whether it works for that is more controversial in this country.

“There has been a long history of claims for hyperbaric therapy which have not been supported by evidence. There has been some research looking at whether there could be benefits after hypoxic brain injury (similar to what happens during drowning) but this has only been looked at in rats.

“There is no evidence in humans that supports the suggestion that hyperbaric therapy could be effective in treating brain damage suffered after drowning.

“If the claims made here were true I think we’d know about it by now.”

The FDA website says that hyperbaric therapy has not been “proven to be the kind of universal treatment it has been touted to be on some Internet sites”, raising concerns some of the claims made by HBOT treatment centres “may give consumers a wrong impression that could ultimately endanger their health”.
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Re: Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

Postby Nikki Nyx » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:33 pm

I have three questions:
1. What kind of parents aren't paying attention to their two-year-old every single second?
2. What kind of parents don't notice their two-year-old is missing for more then 15 minutes?
3. Why in hell do these parents still have custody of this child, since their neglect is what caused this event to occur?
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Postby Gord » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:01 am

Nikki Nyx wrote:2. What kind of parents don't notice their two-year-old is missing for more then 15 minutes?

than
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:04 am

Those Thans! What a horrible bench! :shakefist:
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:09 am

Gord wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote:2. What kind of parents don't notice their two-year-old is missing for more then 15 minutes?

than

Dammit! Thanks, Gord. That's not an error I usually make, and I have no idea how it happened. I blame—crap...who can I blame? Bobbo! Give me someone to blame! :mrgreen:
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Postby Gord » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:29 am

I blame bobbo too.
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Re: Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:32 am

I always blame the Irish. They are usually too drunk to notice or to care.

I second Psyche is a Scam on this. I look forward to the Irish coming out in me regarding future stories on how this child is a joy to be around as at age 8 they smile at cats.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:41 pm

Nikki wrote:2. What kind of parents don't notice their two-year-old is missing for more then 15 minutes?

Maybe the question is "why didn't they notice the searched for toddler in the pool right away" - because at first no one figured she could have gotten in there, baby gates and all...

And then there's ye olde, "I thought you had her with you!"... "No! I thought you did!"...
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Postby Poodle » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:20 pm

Gord wrote:I blame bobbo too.

Is this a franchise?

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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:22 am

The answer to this was the water temperature. 5 Celsius is definitely cold. The toddler would have suffered a substantial drop in body temperature, which substantially reduced the damage to the brain by lack of oxygen. As long as the rescuers kept the toddler chilled until they could attempt revival, brain damage would be minimised. Such situations are not new.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:22 am

Agree.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:06 am

Kiddie was in the pool for 15 min. IIRC the record in a frozen lake is around 30 minutes?

Also just heard Baby Charlie the fatally brain damaged kiddie in England has been given permission to "go home" with his parents? Haven't seen the latest update. I assume we will get notice of the International Day of Mourning over the loss of this one kiddie.................when 1000's dying everyday elsewhere from preventable issues/conflicts. 300K dead from cholera in Yemen......because (forget who now) powers that be won't allow supplies/docs into the area. Disease and starvation as a weapon of war while the world mourns as its attention is directed.

Silly hoomans.
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Re: Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:53 pm

Bobbo
30 minutes is pretty close.

Because I am a keen scuba diver, I read all kinds of stuff relating to scuba. Some years ago, a young woman diving with her boyfriend in the Great Lakes entered a shipwreck. She got separated from him, and trapped inside the wreck. He escaped and saw her through a pothole thrashing around, in the final stage of drowning. It was about 30 to 40 minutes before he surfaced, got help, and went down again to retrieve her body. She was revived, and later completed a university degree, which suggests little or no brain damage. The water they were diving in was frigid.

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:18 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Also just heard Baby Charlie the fatally brain damaged kiddie in England has been given permission to "go home" with his parents? Haven't seen the latest update. I assume we will get notice of the International Day of Mourning over the loss of this one kiddie.................when 1000's dying everyday elsewhere from preventable issues/conflicts. 300K dead from cholera in Yemen......because (forget who now) powers that be won't allow supplies/docs into the area. Disease and starvation as a weapon of war while the world mourns as its attention is directed.

Silly hoomans.

Baby Charlie is a white baby living in the Western world. Hence the silliness.
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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:30 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Bobbo
30 minutes is pretty close.

Because I am a keen scuba diver, I read all kinds of stuff relating to scuba. Some years ago, a young woman diving with her boyfriend in the Great Lakes entered a shipwreck. She got separated from him, and trapped inside the wreck. He escaped and saw her through a pothole thrashing around, in the final stage of drowning. It was about 30 to 40 minutes before he surfaced, got help, and went down again to retrieve her body. She was revived, and later completed a university degree, which suggests little or no brain damage. The water they were diving in was frigid.



a got any links for this ?

or wording for a google search ?
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:37 am

(revived freezing water) == my first hit was a hooman for two hours. Didn't read the details.
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Re: Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:03 am

Pias

It was a number of years ago, probably pre internet. I remember it was an item in Skin Diver magazine, but that is all I can tell you.

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:02 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:I remember it was an item in Skin Diver magazine, but that is all I can tell you.
So, you're one of the rare ones who read the articles, huh? ;)
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:26 am

Pias, there are a bunch of articles on stuff like that. Here's one of them (about children).
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Re: Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

Postby KevinLevites » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:27 pm

psychiatry is a scam wrote:there is no polite way to say this .
saving kids like this is more than an enormous waste of time , money and resources .
99.9 % of the time it also creates years of suffering for all those involved .

ironically I just watched a video recording made by teens watching a man drown .
no charges , they broke no law


I don't necessarily agree with what you've said...but I can't reasonably refute it. Huge amounts of time, expense, and resources go into medical futility.

Still...I might want it if it was my kid.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:48 pm

I agree that it sometimes seems senseless or futile, but an oath is an oath, hope is hope and love is love.
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Re: Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

Postby Lance Kennedy » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:15 am

New medical methods always costs a lot, at first. But the price falls with time, development, and experience. In the future, these methods may well be very reasonably costed, and available to all. The initial work is expensive, but long term results in benefits for millions.

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Re: Scientists Reverse Brain Damage in Drowned Toddler

Postby Nikki Nyx » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:49 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:New medical methods always costs a lot, at first. But the price falls with time, development, and experience. In the future, these methods may well be very reasonably costed, and available to all. The initial work is expensive, but long term results in benefits for millions.
When the alternative is not spending that money, and continuing to crouch in caves, senselessly dying when we could prevent it, I vote to not be a Luddite. :mrgreen:
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