Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

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Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

Postby btarsi » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:50 pm

Can somebody look into this (help support why this is nonsense)?
http://upliftconnect.com/science-proves ... ans-exist/
Thanks.

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Re: Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:39 am

btarsi wrote:Can somebody look into this (help support why this is nonsense)?
http://upliftconnect.com/science-proves ... ans-exist/
Thanks.


The article you posted offers a link to this page, as its citation.
"CT Scans Reveal Acupuncture Points / Healthcare Medical Research".
http://www.healthcmi.com/Acupuncture-Co ... ure-points


Unfortunately, Healthcare Medical Research is not a science organisation
"HealthCMi has been a trusted authority for acupuncture continuing education. We have helped thousands of acupuncturists worldwide complete their required CEU and PDA credits required to keep a valid license."


So I went to the original paper, that that website mentioned.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 4813002405
"In this paper, the morphology of the acupuncture point (abbreviated as acupoint hereafter) or tissue where there were no acupoints in the fractional rabbit hind limb was studied by in-line phase contrast CT imaging (PCI-CT) methods based on synchrotron radiation. The density of micro-vessels was calculated for tissues with acupoints or without acupoints. Differences between acupoints area and non-acupoint areas determined by the density of the micro-vessels propose a strong evidence of the existence of acupoints"


In other words it doesn't confirm anything and is about dead rabbits. This brings me to the obvious question.......How does anyone know what the acupuncture points are, on a rabbit? :D
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Postby Monster » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:25 am

btarsi wrote:Can somebody look into this (help support why this is nonsense)?
http://upliftconnect.com/science-proves ... ans-exist/
Thanks.

You sound very familiar. Can you tell me if what you read at that link disturbs you?
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Re: Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

Postby btarsi » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:07 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
btarsi wrote:Can somebody look into this (help support why this is nonsense)?
http://upliftconnect.com/science-proves ... ans-exist/
Thanks.


The article you posted offers a link to this page, as its citation.
"CT Scans Reveal Acupuncture Points / Healthcare Medical Research".
http://www.healthcmi.com/Acupuncture-Co ... ure-points


Unfortunately, Healthcare Medical Research is not a science organisation
"HealthCMi has been a trusted authority for acupuncture continuing education. We have helped thousands of acupuncturists worldwide complete their required CEU and PDA credits required to keep a valid license."


So I went to the original paper, that that website mentioned.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 4813002405
"In this paper, the morphology of the acupuncture point (abbreviated as acupoint hereafter) or tissue where there were no acupoints in the fractional rabbit hind limb was studied by in-line phase contrast CT imaging (PCI-CT) methods based on synchrotron radiation. The density of micro-vessels was calculated for tissues with acupoints or without acupoints. Differences between acupoints area and non-acupoint areas determined by the density of the micro-vessels propose a strong evidence of the existence of acupoints"


In other words it doesn't confirm anything and is about dead rabbits. This brings me to the obvious question.......How does anyone know what the acupuncture points are, on a rabbit? :D
Alternative Rabbit Therapy 1.jpgAlternative Rabbit Therapy 2.jpgAlternative Rabbit Therapy 3.jpg


Thanks for the response. Do you know what the "energy path" they were actually showing in the photo (MRI" CT?) Is it just a capillary or a vain?

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Re: Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:39 am

btarsi wrote:Thanks for the response. Do you know what the "energy path" they were actually showing in the photo (MRI" CT?) Is it just a capillary or a vain?


I don't really know, but I'm suspect it is trauma caused by an acupuncture needle and the dye simply reflected that. :D

I think that, if you want to pursue this review, that you should try determine how someone historically determined the acupuncture points in a rabbit and if there is any evidence that acupuncture works on rabbits. If that is complete nonsense, then all other experiments concerning those acupuncture points is also complete nonsense.

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Postby Denying-History » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:44 am

btarsi wrote:Can somebody look into this (help support why this is nonsense)?
http://upliftconnect.com/science-proves ... ans-exist/
Thanks.


Look at the persons credentials... Cause you might be looking into this to much. A simple google search of this persons name leads us to a Yoga instructor... What are the chances that this person also has experience with a science background? Practically none. What sources does she site? Absolutely none.

For all we know this essay is just a gish gallop. A wall of text which is created to appear scientific, but has nothing to really back it up. Its pretty much just text and pictures which are to create an illusion of credentials... Now tell me, do these qualifications sound like a scientist to you.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:47 am

EFT cracks me up. Ever watched one of those videos where they're tapping themselves on the head and all over and expect something in their life will change because of it? It works! They sure changed my curious interest into howling laughter. :lol:
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Postby TJrandom » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:45 am

Weirder and weirderer - just really weird.

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Postby Gord » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:58 am

The "meridians" always remind me of the lines of Blaschko: http://www.med-ars.it/galleries/blaschko.htm
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Postby TJrandom » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:48 pm

OR... just ban GPS devices at the Royal Observatory ... problem solved! :cool:

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Postby Genaro » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:27 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
btarsi wrote:Thanks for the response. Do you know what the "energy path" they were actually showing in the photo (MRI" CT?) Is it just a capillary or a vain?


[color=#000080]I don't really know, but I'm suspect it is trauma caused by an acupuncture needle and the dye simply reflected that. :D


In the future you may want to just stop at, "I don't really know", and leave it at that.

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Postby Nobrot » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:26 pm

Genaro there’s nowt wrong with being dead wrong but dead boring is unforgivable. You need to up your game.

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:15 pm

btarsi wrote: Is it just a capillary or a vain?
Matthew Ellard wrote:I don't really know, but I'm suspect it is trauma caused by an acupuncture needle and the dye simply reflected that. :D

Genaro wrote:In the future you may want to just stop at, "I don't really know", and leave it at that.

No. It was a photo of dye in a capillary. I wanted btarsi to compare the photo from the acupuncture website to normal photos of this standard medical procedure of using dyes.

Did you actually look at the photo ?

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Postby Genaro » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:16 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
btarsi wrote: Is it just a capillary or a vain?
Matthew Ellard wrote:I don't really know, but I'm suspect it is trauma caused by an acupuncture needle and the dye simply reflected that. :D

Genaro wrote:In the future you may want to just stop at, "I don't really know", and leave it at that.

No. It was a photo of dye in a capillary. I wanted btarsi to compare the photo from the acupuncture website to normal photos of this standard medical procedure of using dyes.

Did you actually look at the photo ?


Yes. I looked at the photo.

Hate to break the news to you and your fellow flat earthers here, but Acupuncture has been accepted and recommended by mainstream medical Doctors for years now. Especially Orthopedists.

So yes, meridians do exist. That includes Rabbits!



Unfortunately for you, Acupuncture can't be used to cure natural born stupidity.

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Re: Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

Postby Cadmusteeth » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:15 pm

Would you like to link to a mainstream medical journal talking about this?
Actually, forget about wanting to, do it.

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Genaro wrote:Unfortunately for you, Acupuncture can't be used to cure natural born stupidity.


Ironically, refusing acupuncture can.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:16 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Genaro wrote:Unfortunately for you, Acupuncture can't be used to cure natural born stupidity.


Ironically, refusing acupuncture can.

Actually, it just proves you're negative for that condition.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:20 pm

Acupuncture is not recommended by reputable medical authorities. There are some doctors who lack ethics or sense, who are into acupuncture. I suspect it is mainly to provide another source of revenue.

Research has been done exhaustively into acupuncture. The normal research approach is to use needle insertion into non acupuncture points as the control. When this is done, the response is the same, exactly, as when the needle is inserted into the supposed meridian point.

Other research uses fake needles, which fold into the handle and do not penetrate. Generally, the response is the same between real and fake needles.

The problem is the placebo effect. Absolutely anything someone does and claims authoritatively will heal you, will have some healing effect. The African witch doctor dancing around a patient yelling "ooga booga", while shaking bones, will actually effect some cures. The human mind is powerful and the placebo effect is real. Thus, some acupuncture seems to work, but it is all the power of suggestion.

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Re: Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Genaro wrote:Unfortunately for you, Acupuncture can't be used to cure natural born stupidity.


Ironically, refusing acupuncture can.

Actually, it just proves you're negative for that condition.

True, but I was going for the jocularity.
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Re: Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

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OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Genaro wrote:Unfortunately for you, Acupuncture can't be used to cure natural born stupidity.


Ironically, refusing acupuncture can.

Actually, it just proves you're negative for that condition.

True, but I was going for the jocularity.

Okay, we'll wait.
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Re: Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

Postby OlegTheBatty » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:22 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Genaro wrote:Unfortunately for you, Acupuncture can't be used to cure natural born stupidity.


Ironically, refusing acupuncture can.

Actually, it just proves you're negative for that condition.

True, but I was going for the jocularity.

Okay, we'll wait.

OK. In the meantime, there's always Netflix.
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Re: Science Finally "Proves" Meridians Exist

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:55 pm

Genaro wrote: Hate to break the news to you and your fellow flat earthers here......
Acupuncture is a statistically successful placebo and no more. So is a sugar pill.

Genaro, you have no credibility left here. You failed to present any UFO evidence in that thread and ran away. You looked like a complete idiot in the reincarnation thread and ran away. Here you are now, in an acupuncture thread speaking more nonsense. You are simply here to throw insults at skeptics.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:04 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Genaro wrote:Unfortunately for you, Acupuncture can't be used to cure natural born stupidity.


Ironically, refusing acupuncture can.

Actually, it just proves you're negative for that condition.

True, but I was going for the jocularity.

Okay, we'll wait.

OK. In the meantime, there's always Netflix.

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