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Postby kennyc » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:13 pm

Idiots!

"The raw water craze threatens to undo one of our major public health achievements"
"Like consuming the meal substitute Soylent or kale, drinking raw water has become a fad.

Proponents of the practice have yet to settle on exactly what raw water is, but the New York Times recently reported that they can agree that “the wrong kind of filtration removes beneficial minerals.” Raw water also contains what proponents consider “healthful bacteria,” marketed widely now as “probiotics.”

Despite these proclaimed benefits, Lindsey Bever, writing in The Washington Post, exposes the obvious downside to drinking water that still has bacteria in it. “By shunning recommended water safety practices, experts warn, raw water purveyors may also be selling things you don’t want to drink — dangerous bacteria, viruses and parasites that can make you sick.”

By convincing people to drink untreated water, the proponents of the raw water craze are threatening to undo one of the great public health and sanitation achievements in U.S. history — with a significant risk to public health....."


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Postby ElectricMonk » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:17 pm

They should filter the water through a few kidneys first..
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:42 pm

Then the thing would be "raw beer".
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Postby TJrandom » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:29 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:They should filter the water through a few kidneys first..


Isn`t that what raw water implies?

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Postby ElectricMonk » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:40 pm

TJrandom wrote:
ElectricMonk wrote:They should filter the water through a few kidneys first..


Isn`t that what raw water implies?


I think it needs to be chunky to be authentic.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:57 pm

I think it's a typo and misunderstanding. They're offering rank water. :sick:
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Postby TJrandom » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:29 pm

I presume the raw water promoters wouldn`t object to these best practice cleaning methods.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:54 pm

I thought the common name for raw water is cholera. See!!!!!!! Its happening again: made up new words, always a tell for something fishy (pun highly intended).

OTOH: making my H.Cider right now, I consider my hands to have been sterilized if I wipe them on my pants before handling my equipment. (NO PUN intended there!....but flask or stir stick doesn't avoid the reference....works for funnel though.)
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Re: Raw Water

Postby ahhell » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:58 pm

I can only find crap video clips but Bill Murray did a parody of perrier on SNL back in the day:

Swill, the American Bottled Water, dredged from the bottom of Lake Erie!

Side note as an industry professional, raw water is what you call untreated water at the intake of a water treatment plant, so at least they got the name right.

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ahhell wrote:I can only find crap video clips...

That works.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:13 pm

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Postby Gord » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:00 am

ahhell wrote:...Side note as an industry professional, raw water is what you call untreated water at the intake of a water treatment plant, so at least they got the name right.

That is how I read it, too.

Wikipedia has an article on raw water that was created in 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_water

...Water in this form is considered raw, as opposed to water which has been treated before consumption, such as drinking water or water which has been used in an industrial process, such as waste water....

So at least someone, somewhere, has been using the term "raw water" outside of the industry for 6+ years, minimum.

Antivaxxers, raw water people -- jeez! It's just baffling to me why people keep thinking that they will be healthier by going back to the "olden days" before we figured out what was killing so many people!
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Postby Io » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:09 am

If it weren't for the ramifications to non-proponents I'd say this was a self-correcting problem.

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Postby ahhell » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:59 pm

Io wrote:If it weren't for the ramifications to non-proponents I'd say this was a self-correcting problem.

What are those?

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Postby Gord » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:56 pm

ahhell wrote:
Io wrote:If it weren't for the ramifications to non-proponents I'd say this was a self-correcting problem.

What are those?

Dumb people buy water for their children.
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Postby Io » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:57 am

Gord wrote:
ahhell wrote:
Io wrote:If it weren't for the ramifications to non-proponents I'd say this was a self-correcting problem.

What are those?

Dumb people buy water for their children.


Woost wrote:Hey guys I've just found this really great health thing called raw water. Come on over and we'll have one of our really cool waterparties.

Norman Ormal wrote:Well that doesn't sound like a real thing but your waterparties are always so awesome. We'll be there!

Later...
Woost wrote:Hey guys isn't this party awesome?

Guys wrote:Don't... feel.. well...

Woost wrote:Hey guys don't die.

Woost wrote:Oh they died.

Woost wrote:Mmmpfh I don't... feel... well...

Woost wrote:Oh god please don't let me die. How will I buy more raw water and line the pockets of charlatans? How will I spread the word of... the... ugh... wonder of... nnnggh... raw... water... blrgh *dies*


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Re: Raw Water

Postby Io » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:36 am

Ok that last line made it sound more preachy than I intended. And I probably should have quote ahhell not Gord.

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Postby Gord » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:25 pm

Io wrote:And I probably should have quote [X] not [Y].

That is almost always true where Y = Gord and X = anyone else.
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"I'd like to take this opportunity to say this is the first time I've been on telly."
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Re: Raw Water

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Tellybelly?

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TJrandom wrote:Tellybelly?

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what I'm talking about. Could I start again, please?
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Wait... Telly isn’t a reference to the loo? :?:

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TJrandom wrote:Wait... Telly isn’t a reference to the loo? :?:

No, it's from the "Silly Party Election Sketch", by Monty Python.
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Postby Poodle » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:30 am

Telly = TV (television, not transvestism), especially in the UK, TJ.
You may be thinking of Delhi Belly, which is definitely closely associated with the loo - from our Indian Empire days.

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Poodle wrote:Telly = TV (television, not transvestism), especially in the UK, TJ.
You may be thinking of Delhi Belly, which is definitely closely associated with the loo - from our Indian Empire days.

Very similar to Telly Tubby, IIRC.
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:07 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Tellybelly?

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what I'm talking about. Could I start again, please?


Why not? Gorgongeous does that every day. Day after day.

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After day.
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Poodle wrote:Telly = TV (television, not transvestism), especially in the UK, TJ.
You may be thinking of Delhi Belly, which is definitely closely associated with the loo - from our Indian Empire days.


Back on Telly Belly... a UK syndrome :!:

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:33 pm

kennyc wrote:By convincing people to drink untreated water, the proponents of the raw water craze are threatening to undo one of the great public health and sanitation achievements in U.S. history — with a significant risk to public health....."
Caveat: This reply comes from my disgusted-with-people's-idiocy, cynical-about-the-future side. :roll:
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Example: Laws mandating the use of carseats for children is a good idea; children should be protected from the potential stupidity of their parents. But laws mandating the use of motorcycle helmets for adults only protects the person too stupid to look after his own safety, thereby leaving him free to reproduce and make more stupid people. It also leaves him free to vote...and to become a politician who will force his idiocy onto the rest of society via legislation.

This is basically a 'hold my beer and watch this, y'all' issue. People are going to do stupid things. Laws won't make them smarter; only education will.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:27 am

Nikki: you are turning to the dark side more often these days. You notice this yourself posting the transitions.

Mind the gap.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:08 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Nikki: you are turning to the dark side more often these days. You notice this yourself posting the transitions.

Mind the gap.
I do notice it, Bobbo, and I believe the reasons are:
• thorough disgust with current events,
• irritation that intelligent people I know are falling for propaganda*,
• seasonal affective disorder, and
• winter is more painful for me.
I'm grumpy lately. :burn: I do appreciate you calling my attention to it, though, as I shouldn't be giving in to the dark side. :mrgreen:

Still, I maintain my point is valid...as long as I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and doing what I can to improve the situation.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:10 am

Nikki: sounds like you should winter in the Bahamas.............or buy a grow lamp? Actually, the new full spectrum LED light strips have many and disparate advantages.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:19 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Nikki: sounds like you should winter in the Bahamas.
I can't even afford to winter in Connecticut, and it's 5 minutes away. :P
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:...or buy a grow lamp? Actually, the new full spectrum LED light strips have many and disparate advantages.
I have a full-spectrum light which I shine in my eyes for an hour every morning. But it doesn't stop me from being perpetually freezing and missing the real sun. :? Thankfully, DST is earlier than it used to be. March 11th this year. I can't wait!
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Postby Poodle » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:38 am

Have you tried a power sander, Nikki? One of those makes wood warm, therefore ....

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Nikki Nyx wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Nikki: sounds like you should winter in the Bahamas.
I can't even afford to winter in Connecticut, and it's 5 minutes away. :P
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:...or buy a grow lamp? Actually, the new full spectrum LED light strips have many and disparate advantages.
I have a full-spectrum light which I shine in my eyes for an hour every morning. But it doesn't stop me from being perpetually freezing and missing the real sun. :? Thankfully, DST is earlier than it used to be. March 11th this year. I can't wait!

Why just the one?
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:09 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Why just the one?
I expressed myself poorly. I do have those light bulbs all over the house, but I generally sit at the computer when I wake up, and the light at my computer table shines directly into my eyes, which is the recommended therapy. Sorry about that.

I much prefer the temperature of light from full-spectrum CFLs over the old incandescents. Plus, as my eyes get older, I'm finding I have trouble seeing when the light is dim, especially reading. The CFLs help.
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Postby Gord » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:43 pm

Yeah, the Canadian Football League is pretty good, sometimes.
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Re: Raw Water

Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:36 pm

Gord wrote:Yeah, the Canadian Football League is pretty good, sometimes.
But they don't have a team about to win its SIXTH Super Bowl in 15 years. :mrgreen:
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:26 pm

That thing isn't over yet?
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