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Postby JO 753 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:04 pm

I know many uv you here are programmerz and are probably aware uv my frequent griping about bad software in the Gear Grinder topic. In spite uv that, I understand that its a very complex, tumoltuous profession, so you hav my respect for being able to make a living at it.

I hav been intending to get the next issue uv the Nooalf Super Mini Chart printed, but havent had spare money, so kept putting off creating it. And also, I think its hi time I made a more dynamic dijital version, especially since smartfone and tablet apps are becoming popular. Why not spend the moola on that insted uv another 10,000 postcardz that take forever to sell?

Wut I want iz like the CoRT paje on the website except it woud look like the SMC with sound for every word & picture plus you coud type anything and it woud speak it. Also it woud be great if it coud tranzlate regular English to Nooalf and vise-versa.

With all the creation software out there, I hav the vage notion that this iz sumthing I coud possibly do myself, but I know it woud take me WAY longer and I woud probably not do a very good job. Nothing like talent + experience wen you want to put out a great product.
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Re: Programming Project

Postby Gord » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:23 pm

You spelt "tumultyoous" wrong.
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Postby JO 753 » Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:14 am

xanks for the correction. I'l try to memorize it more betterer.
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Re: Programming Project

Postby Gord » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:52 am

Make it so, Numba Juan.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:38 am

Gord wrote:Make it so, Numba Jose.

FTFY. :mrgreen:
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Postby JO 753 » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:43 pm

So say we all!
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Postby Pyrrho » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:28 pm

Judging by what you have on your site now, I'd say your best approach would be to use responsive page layout via HTML5/CSS3 and some jQuery to handle the media files. That way your site would be accessible to most mobile devices without you having to program native apps.
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Postby JO 753 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:46 pm

Wuzzat now?

I am well into my geezer orientation program, so most uv wut you rote iz borderline gobbledygook.

Explain wut that meanz in quazi retired machinist termz.
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Postby Pyrrho » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:55 pm

Basically it can be done as a web page with some additional bells and whistles. Simpler than programming an app but more complicated than a basic web page.
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Postby JO 753 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:59 pm

Kool.

And how much woud you charge for this?
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Postby Pyrrho » Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:34 am

Moot question, because I don't have the time.
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Postby JO 753 » Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:01 am

O well. Know anybody who duz?
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Postby JO 753 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:32 am

Anybody? Anybody? Beuhler?
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Re: Programming Project

Postby Gord » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:14 am

Oh, you want us to actually say "no"?

No.
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:14 pm

No.
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Postby JO 753 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:20 pm

Yooz guyz are programmerz?!
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No.
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Postby JO 753 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:39 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Judging by what you have on your site now, I'd say your best approach would be to use responsive page layout via HTML5/CSS3 and some jQuery to handle the media files. That way your site would be accessible to most mobile devices without you having to program native apps.


I only breifly had a smart fone, so dont hav much experience with all the wunderful amazingness. But it occured to me yesterday wile watching a Verizon commercial that the new pajez on my site woud uze up way too much uv the monthly data stipend their customerz pay for. They were bragging about 10 gig and I think that wuz shared in a family plan for sumthing like 100$. (each paje iz mainly a 1200 x 1500 jpg, so thats 1.3 MB rite there, plus therez a bunch uv smaller piks. Its to get around peeps having to download & install a font befor they can see proper NQaLF)

Woud theze thingz you speak uv be able to aleviate that potential problem?
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Postby Gord » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:22 am

JO 753 wrote:Yooz guyz are programmerz?!

Six years of computer science at the University of Manitoba.
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Postby JO 753 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:35 am

Congratulationz. Wut hav you accomplisht with that besidez making rich idiots richer?
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Postby Test Dummy » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:44 am

What have you accomplished with NOOALF?
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JO 753 wrote:Congratulationz. Wut hav you accomplisht with that besidez making rich idiots richer?

I accomplished 6 years of computer science at the University of Manitoba.
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Re: Programming Project

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:52 am

Gord wrote: I accomplished 6 years of computer science at the University of Manitoba.
Well that was your first mistake.

Everyone today knows computer operating systems are designed so that idiots can use them. I never have a problem with my computer. Gord has problems with his computer. Therefore we can conclude that Matthew is an .............

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gord wrote: I accomplished 6 years of computer science at the University of Manitoba.
Well that was your first mistake.

Everyone today knows computer operating systems are designed so that idiots can use them. I never have a problem with my computer. Gord has problems with his computer. Therefore we can conclude that Matthew is an .............

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Indirect, informal, or secondary line of responsibility within an organization? :scratch:
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Re: Programming Project

Postby Gord » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:54 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gord wrote: I accomplished 6 years of computer science at the University of Manitoba.
Well that was your first mistake.

Everyone today knows computer operating systems are designed so that idiots can use them. I never have a problem with my computer. Gord has problems with his computer. Therefore we can conclude that Matthew is an .............

:D

Indirect, informal, or secondary line of responsibility within an organization? :scratch:

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Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gord wrote: I accomplished 6 years of computer science at the University of Manitoba.
Well that was your first mistake.

Everyone today knows computer operating systems are designed so that idiots can use them. I never have a problem with my computer. Gord has problems with his computer. Therefore we can conclude that Matthew is an .............

:D

Indirect, informal, or secondary line of responsibility within an organization? :scratch:

Australian.

That doesn't work in their part of the world.



Anstralian... sounds funny. :pardon:
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Postby JO 753 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:54 am

Allow me to elucidate.

You get 186,000 owrz* to hav sum effect on the world. Maybe 1/5 uv that will be work. For most peepl, only a tiny fraction uv thoze working owrz hav sum chance uv having any lasting pozitiv effect.

Usually, wen you are an employee, you hav no control over the effect the work you are doing will hav on the world. Sum guy whoz name you may not even know
iz calling the shots and the most likely goal he haz in mind iz to get rich or richer. So the only thing your life iz about at work iz converting owrz into dollarz.

Herez a chans to do sumthing that iz clearly pozitiv.




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Postby JO 753 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:13 pm

Test Dummy wrote:What have you accomplished with NOOALF?


Hard to say. I'v sent charts to many people all over the world and the site gets a few thouzand unique viewerz every month. The fonts are popular!

At the very least I hav created a perfect system and a bunch text and artwork & stuff to support it. Even if the human race failz to adopt Nooalf for general use, the creation itself exists. A little frustrating, but I'm not ded yet, so it the project continuez.
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Postby JO 753 » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:35 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Judging by what you have on your site now, I'd say your best approach would be to use responsive page layout via HTML5/CSS3 and some jQuery to handle the media files. That way your site would be accessible to most mobile devices without you having to program native apps.


Since peeps are likely to start with a Google search, I added a plain text section that starts with a statement about plain text and smartfone monthly gigabyte charjez to hopefully steer them there.

http://www.nooalf.com/plaintext.htm

Its also in respons to complaints about the colored text being hard to read and the jenerally confrontational attitude on the main site.

Its hard to juj your own work, but I think I manajd to keep a lid on it this time. Pleez read it and tell me wut you think.
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Postby JO 753 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:11 pm

Another programming project: Alternating text direction. I posted a topic about it, but its also sumthing that needz sum real work.

I'v been flipping the linez with Fotoshop for the sample storyz. It goes fairly eazily, but its obviously not a practical method az a product. I think it woudnt be that difficult to make an add on program for Apache Open Office that duz it az you type.
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Postby JO 753 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:19 am

Forgot about this topic.

Pyrrho wrote:Judging by what you have on your site now, I'd say your best approach would be to use responsive page layout via HTML5/CSS3 and some jQuery to handle the media files. That way your site would be accessible to most mobile devices without you having to program native apps.


I believe Sempervivum ( a member uv the Web Developer forum ) used jQuery to make the CoRT paje work properly. If therez any HTML5/CCS3 involved I woudnt be able to tell.

I've been experimenting with stuff frum the w3skool jQuery tutorialz. I think I'm starting to get a glimmer uv hope!

I've looked at my site on several smartfonez and it looks virtually the same, only smaller. Their software seemz to be made to deal with wutever the web throwz at them, so I'm wondering wut all the hubbub about making multiple versionz iz about.
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Postby TJrandom » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:29 am

JO 753 wrote:... I've looked at my site on several smartfonez and it looks virtually the same, ...


Duuhhhh. Smart phones are smart! Try a stupids phone if you want to see differences. :roll:

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Postby JO 753 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:01 pm

:lol: I did ! It looked a little like this:

N eksept 10x bigger.
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Postby Pyrrho » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:51 pm

Your site is basically one large background image with buttons on it. There is no viewport statement, the minimum necessary for Google and other search engines to even consider the site for indexing these days, and even then, because you are using mostly images, there is little to index.

The head of your site should look something like this:

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<!DOCTYPE html>
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width,initial-scale=1">


Beyond that your CSS is embedded in your page, which is okay but not a "best practice." Most people keep the CSS separate for complex pages. You nave no media queries or break points in the CSS, meaning that elements will not rearrange to accommodate different screen sizes. That's up to you though.
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Postby JO 753 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:48 pm

Rearranjing the elements coud be a problem kuz the text iz part uv the background imaj on the index and many other pajez. And in most casez, if the txt iznt part uv the bg imaj, its an imaj anyway, so not searchable az text. I hav an invizable note for the search enjinz that I had hoped woud work.

The Plain Text page haz alredy moved up to 2nd place wen I do a Google search. Iz that due to it being all text or bekuz more vizitorz are going there?

Wen I look at the paje sours for the index I see:

<html>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<title>NQaLF. XU FYQCR UV SPeLING</title>
<meta name="generator" content="Virtual Mechanics SiteSpinner V2 291g">
<meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="false">


Where do I put wut you showed?
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JO 753 wrote:Where do I put wut you showed?

Aw man, now there's a loaded question!! :lol:
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Re: Programming Project

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:13 pm

It seems to me that nooalf is meant to be a phonetic script. Therefore, I wonder, if you licensed some cheap, slightly out of date, voice recognition software, it should be easier to handle phonetic nooalf. Maybe teenage hipsters would use this as a free mobile application, to send each other nooalf texts as the new "hip thing" to do, for a month or two. If you are going to do it anyway you may as well try make some money.

Actually that's a real question. Does nooalf save character space?

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Postby JO 753 » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:15 pm

Yes. Its 15% shorter on averaj.

Thats a good idea. Nooalf woud certainly make it eazier, more accurate and more reliable. I've alwayz wondered how computerz do the speech thing. Even the early Amigaz coud speak wut you typed and PC & Apple werent far behind. It didnt sound great, but it wuz understandable. Then therez programz like Dragonspeak that type wut you say and vice versa.

I know Amiga wuznt just referensing a dictionary, kuz you coud type KTHGDXDDBN and it woud say it!
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Re: Programming Project

Postby JO 753 » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:12 am

Pyrrho wrote:Your site is basically one large background image with buttons on it.


I like it simple, being a simpleton.

Unfortunately, simple wont work if I want a shopping cart system. I am finding the basic cart provided by my hosting service to be impenetrable. Az iz, it looks like sumthing from the 90z and I hav only been able to modify it enuf to make it look like its still part uv the Nooalf website. The pajez seem to be constructed from a bunch uv scattered parts and I cant even find where the list uv itemz iz so I can add the essential Paypal code numberz. Last time I called customer support, they never bothered to call back. Either they dont hav the ansr or they dont like talking to lowly nonprogrammerz.

I got an idea for a cart! It woud hav a pik uv a cart on the left and az you shop, your itemz woud show up in it along with the total price. This woud giv it a hint uv the feel uv shopping in a real store. Herez a nonfunctional mokup: http://www.nooalf.com/PRoDUKSMoK.htm

I posted this at the Webdeveloper forum but nobodyz taken an interest in it. They gave me an idea, tho - the cart itself coud be a product for sale!

Small biz ownerz who only hav a small number uv itemz mite like it. I looked at 3D Cart earlier and it looks great, but its a full service e-commerce host with a monthly fee. You definitely need to be doing stedy salez to justify it.
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Postby Pyrrho » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:45 pm

Groundbreaking.
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