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Re: It's worse than I feared... 1 in 4 don't know Earth orbi

Postby TJrandom » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:34 am

So back on topic… since I do observe the sun rise in the morning, cross the flat earth that surrounds me during the day, and drop down at the edge of the visible earth at sunset, it is visually obvious that the sun revolves around the flat earth. One must be taught, and of course remember, that this isn`t the way it works. And for Americans who may never have ventured beyond the borders of their county or state, and who are taught that companies are people, that a foetus is a person, that the right to bare arms trumps the right to life… well, I am surprised that anyone is surprised.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:02 am

Surprise is so last century. :roll:
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Postby Gord » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:05 am

TJrandom wrote:<communist thinking>

Burn the witch! :P
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Re: It's worse than I feared... 1 in 4 don't know Earth orbi

Postby octopus1 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:02 am

TJrandom wrote:So back on topic…


Fair enough...

[...]who are taught that companies are people, that a foetus is a person, that the right to bare arms trumps the right to life… well, I am surprised that anyone is surprised.


Was that the topic? :shock:
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Re: It's worse than I feared... 1 in 4 don't know Earth orbi

Postby kennyc » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:00 pm

Gord wrote:
TJrandom wrote:<communist thinking>

Burn the witch! :P


Time for this again I see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
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Postby Austin Harper » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:02 pm

When isn't it time for Monty Python?
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Postby Austin Harper » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:04 pm

For when you need to keep track of Monty Python time:
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Re: It's worse than I feared... 1 in 4 don't know Earth orbi

Postby TJrandom » Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:56 am

octopus1 wrote:
TJrandom wrote:So back on topic…


Fair enough...

[...]who are taught that companies are people, that a foetus is a person, that the right to bare arms trumps the right to life… well, I am surprised that anyone is surprised.


Was that the topic? :shock:


So they be coincidental? Somehow I don`t think so…

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Postby PennyDotson » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:32 pm

kennyc wrote:
1 in 4 Americans Don't Know Earth Orbits the Sun. Yes, Really.
FEB 14, 2014 03:20 PM ET // BY IAN O'NEILL

Dear Science Communication Professionals: We have a problem.

Earlier this month, the Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham creationism “debate” received a disproportionate amount of press coverage. Considering that there really is no debate to be had when it comes to the science of evolution, for bad or for worse, Nye faced a hostile audience at the Creationist Museum in Kentucky. He hoped to score some scientific points against Ham’s literal translation of the Bible and his absurd assertion that the world was created in 6 days and that the universe is 6,000 years old.

In my opinion, (an opinion shared by other science communicators), the Nye vs. Ham debate did little for science outreach. It was all about who sounded more convincing and only gave creationists some free advertising.

And then, today, the National Science Foundation (NSF) delivered news of a pretty shocking poll result: around one in four Americans (yes, that's 25 percent) are unaware that the Earth orbits the sun. Let’s repeat that: One in four Americans — that represents one quarter of the population — when asked probably the most basic question in science (except, perhaps, “Is the Earth flat?” Hint: No.), got the answer incorrect. Suddenly I realized why the Nye vs. Ham debate was so popular.

But wait! I hear you cry, perhaps the NSF poll was flawed? Perhaps the poll sample was too small? Sadly not. The NSF poll, which is used to gauge U.S. scientific literacy every year, surveyed 2,200 people who were asked 10 questions about physical and biological sciences. On average, the score was 6.5 out of 10 -- barely a passing grade. But for me personally, the fact that 26 percent of the respondents were unaware the Earth revolves around the sun shocked me to the core.

Perhaps I’m expecting too much of the U.S. education system? Perhaps this is just an anomaly; a statistical blip? But then, like the endless deluge of snow that is currently choking the East Coast, another outcome of the same poll appeared on the foggy horizon of scientific illiteracy: The majority of young Americans think astrology is a science.
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http://news.discovery.com/space/astrono ... 140214.htm


My daughter at 3 even knows that the earth orbits around the sun lol! where exactly did these people go to school?! and why did their parents never teach them this, makes me really scared for our future... :shock: :?

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Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:55 pm

PennyDotson wrote:where exactly did these people go to school?

Oral Roberts.
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PennyDotson wrote:where exactly did these people go to school?

Oral Roberts.

Or here: 38°31'34.91" N 90°48'52.58" W
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PennyDotson wrote:where exactly did these people go to school?

Oral Roberts.

Or here: 38°31'34.91" N 90°48'52.58" W

Ah, a one-room school, teaching all at 3rd grade level. :-P
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scrmbldggs wrote:
PennyDotson wrote:where exactly did these people go to school?

Oral Roberts.

Or here: 38°31'34.91" N 90°48'52.58" W

Ah, a one-room school, teaching all at 3rd grade level. :-P

And my cousins' house.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
PennyDotson wrote:where exactly did these people go to school?

Oral Roberts.

Or here: 38°31'34.91" N 90°48'52.58" W

Ah, a one-room school, teaching all at 3rd grade level. :-P

And my cousins' house.

Ah, I see what you're doing. Keeping Austin safe in Kansas.
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Postby octopus1 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:06 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
PennyDotson wrote:where exactly did these people go to school?

Oral Roberts.

Or here: 38°31'34.91" N 90°48'52.58" W

Ah, a one-room school, teaching all at 3rd grade level. :-P

And my cousins' house.

Ah, I see what you're doing. Keeping Austin safe in Kansas.


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Postby Frank Hoffman » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:55 am

kennyc wrote:
Perhaps I’m expecting too much of the U.S. education system?


I don't think it is the education system. This information is taught, it's just that once folks enter the work force and start their shifts at McDonalds, Walmart and Amazon, the movement of the planets has no impact on their lives and it is forgotten, just as it had no impact on a peasant's life prior to Copernicus. Instead, it matters what is on TV, and how much a carton of cigarettes costs,.. but Quantum Mechanics?... "who needs a mechanic!, I change my own oil." :)

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Perhaps I’m expecting too much of the U.S. education system?


I don't think it is the education system. This information is taught, it's just that once folks enter the work force and start their shifts at McDonalds, Walmart and Amazon, the movement of the planets has no impact on their lives and it is forgotten, just as it had no impact on a peasant's life prior to Copernicus. Instead, it matters what is on TV, and how much a carton of cigarettes costs,.. but Quantum Mechanics?... "who needs a mechanic!, I change my own oil." :)

Most people surrender whatever IQ they had left when leaving high school. One of my cousins recently retired from a job he had held for 42 years, since age 18. He was doing the same job at 60 as he was at 18. When he retired (because of medical problems) he found out he didn't have a retirement plan or 401K. "I just figured they had to give one to everybody." Yeah, well they did send you a letter asking you if you wanted to buy into the retirement fund back in the '70s, but you didn't want to have "too many" deductions from your check.
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Re: It's worse than I feared... 1 in 4 don't know Earth orbi

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kennyc wrote:
Perhaps I’m expecting too much of the U.S. education system?


I don't think it is the education system. This information is taught, it's just that once folks enter the work force and start their shifts at McDonalds, Walmart and Amazon, the movement of the planets has no impact on their lives and it is forgotten, just as it had no impact on a peasant's life prior to Copernicus. Instead, it matters what is on TV, and how much a carton of cigarettes costs,.. but Quantum Mechanics?... "who needs a mechanic!, I change my own oil." :)

My money is more on the teaching at the pulpit. How many times do we have to hear that they say, "If science disagrees with the bible then science is wrong."
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Hex wrote:
Frank Hoffman wrote:
kennyc wrote:
Perhaps I’m expecting too much of the U.S. education system?


I don't think it is the education system. This information is taught, it's just that once folks enter the work force and start their shifts at McDonalds, Walmart and Amazon, the movement of the planets has no impact on their lives and it is forgotten, just as it had no impact on a peasant's life prior to Copernicus. Instead, it matters what is on TV, and how much a carton of cigarettes costs,.. but Quantum Mechanics?... "who needs a mechanic!, I change my own oil." :)

My money is more on the teaching at the pulpit. How many times do we have to hear that they say, "If science disagrees with the bible then science is wrong."

And they usually say this on a Facebook page powered by science they don't understand. :lol:
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Re: It's worse than I feared... 1 in 4 don't know Earth orbi

Postby Gord » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:35 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:...they did send you a letter asking you if you wanted to buy into the retirement fund back in the '70s, but you didn't want to have "too many" deductions from your check.

Awesome.

Then there's my older brother, who take his retirement package as a lump sum, invested it in the stock market, and as a result is now employed at what amounts to a Walmart for lumber (I can't remember which one).
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