The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:19 am

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The simplest explanation is one they've all heard many times: No gas chambers, no holocaust. And they know they're damned close to having to let go of the whole gas chamber mythical legend.
Acyually the case is getting stronger by the year, having been proven as early as 1942-1945. Remenants of gas chambers have been found at Sobibor, and have been subjected to examination at Auschwitz. NEXT!
Let em squeal and squak like a flock of old hens, it's them that are going to have to learn to live with themselves in their coup. To each his rightful place, eggs in the laying box. :)
The chickens are coming home to roost - and it's the Troglodtyes who are on the losing side. You have nothing to say here, sorry.
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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:54 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
montgomery wrote:
VFX wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote: Link for this testimony please. Also the dates when Rubinstein was in Treblinka.
This is a total crock. We have many witness testimonies to bodies being removed from the so-called showers.
Honestly unless you live in the tropics, open the window of your bathroom or shower room and look at the vapour escaping. Those witnesses are liars by the way but thank you for the source.
They've been pinned down and they know it. There's no way they can make excuses for all the lies and exaggerations on the holocaust and all the related issues. And if they try to do that they are going to end up with next to nothing. All that crap is inter-related in some way and one piece of bad evidence pulls down a couple of dozen others with it.

The simplest explanation is one they've all heard many times: No gas chambers, no holocaust. And they know they're damned close to having to let go of the whole gas chamber mythical legend.

Let em squeal and squak like a flock of old hens, it's them that are going to have to learn to live with themselves in their coup. To each his rightful place, eggs in the laying box. :)

Had a little time out and a Hargis pill?
What a shock. I thought he'd help out VFX with a link to where Rubinstein said what she was quoted as saying and with the dates this apparent Treblinka steam expert was in Treblinka. Just another Traynorian speech.
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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:55 am

>> the ----

Ahem, not again! Sigh.

(thank you)
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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:02 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:>> the Nazi fellating HDers

Ahem, not again! Sigh.
They are favorable to Nazis....... Oh, fine, hold on.......

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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:11 am

Jeff_36 wrote:FIXED
appreciated ... now, please, back to the roll you were on :)
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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by montgomery » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:20 am

Another true or false quiz:

Kill people for sleeping in their underwear

-- kill people for wearing dirty underwear -- wear underwear
stolen from gassed persons -- (didn't they have any underwear in Germany?) --

kill people for having armpit hair --

stuff chairs with human hair -- (an objection from defendant Göring) --

make socks out of
human hair -- (actually, the correct translation should be hair-yarn "booties" for U-boat crews) --


5 points for the first to answer all questions correctly. (double points for answering in less than 75 years .)

For the correct answers see Porter's website!

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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:18 am

Fun!

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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Darren Wilshak » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:57 am

The nights do drag so where you are, don't they?

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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Nessie » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:05 am

VFX wrote:
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OK, so please name and quote the witness who describe steam being used.
There were probably thousands. As you yourself said.
Nessie said; people being forced into chambers, a gas being introduced, those inside suffocating and dying.
The tale is that people were put into fake bathrooms or shower rooms, but as survivor Erna F. Rubinstein said
After all we had gone through during the last few days, it seemed that it was the gas that would now finish us. We looked at each other, realizing what our destiny was to be at last. No one uttered a word; we were resigned and ready.

Suddenly the showers were opened, and freezing water rinsed our naked bodies. We were alive.

Even though this was cold water, it would certainly have vapour pressure and would steam. All anyone witnesses was people walking into a shower room, taking a shower and seeing steam coming from the building in the very chilling Polish air. This was distorted into steaming rooms which morphed into gas chambers.
That is someone describing having a shower. Please name and quote a witness who thought steam was being used to kill.
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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Nessie » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:24 am

montgomery wrote:Let's play the game, "What eye witness said that"

Torture and execute people in time to music!

Name that eye witness in 30 seconds, starting now.

(half points for naming that tune!)
I think you have accidentally realised one of the denier failings about witnesses and evidencing.

When the rest of use make a claim, it is because we have read the witness testimony and we know what they said. So, if asked to present the witness (which we would tend to do anyway) we have them immediately to hand and can directly link, name and quote them.

When a denier makes a claim, like lobster steaming, they have uncritically read denier propaganda (this bogus story started apparently by Carlos Porter) and accept it is fact without checking. When they are they asked to provide the witness details the denier then realises they have not read any witness testimony and they have no clue if the claim being promoted is backed by evidence or not.

You need to understand that any conflict between those witnesses is explained by the difference between;

1 - hearsay and eye witness.
2 - how much detail each eye witness saw
3 - who questioned the eye witness and when
4 - the difference between the primary event and subsidiary details

What you need to do is go and actually read the witness evidence and learn the difference between hearsay, direct eye witnesses who saw what happened in detail and eye witnesses who only briefly saw part of what happened. Then you need to understand that if two witnesses saw the same thing, but they are questioned by different people who ask different questions, or they are questioned years apart, that will produce different answers. Those different answers may appear to conflict with each other, but that can be explained by the different circumstances they were questioned under. If the primary event is the same, such as people were forced into chambers and killed, the subsidiary details such as the gas used, may conflict depending on 1,2 and 3.
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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by montgomery » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:50 pm

Nessie wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:24 am
montgomery wrote:Let's play the game, "What eye witness said that"

Torture and execute people in time to music!

Name that eye witness in 30 seconds, starting now.

(half points for naming that tune!)
I think you have accidentally realised one of the denier failings about witnesses and evidencing.

When the rest of use make a claim, it is because we have read the witness testimony and we know what they said. So, if asked to present the witness (which we would tend to do anyway) we have them immediately to hand and can directly link, name and quote them.

When a denier makes a claim, like lobster steaming, they have uncritically read denier propaganda (this bogus story started apparently by Carlos Porter) and accept it is fact without checking. When they are they asked to provide the witness details the denier then realises they have not read any witness testimony and they have no clue if the claim being promoted is backed by evidence or not.

You need to understand that any conflict between those witnesses is explained by the difference between;

1 - hearsay and eye witness.
2 - how much detail each eye witness saw
3 - who questioned the eye witness and when
4 - the difference between the primary event and subsidiary details

What you need to do is go and actually read the witness evidence and learn the difference between hearsay, direct eye witnesses who saw what happened in detail and eye witnesses who only briefly saw part of what happened. Then you need to understand that if two witnesses saw the same thing, but they are questioned by different people who ask different questions, or they are questioned years apart, that will produce different answers. Those different answers may appear to conflict with each other, but that can be explained by the different circumstances they were questioned under. If the primary event is the same, such as people were forced into chambers and killed, the subsidiary details such as the gas used, may conflict depending on 1,2 and 3.
You're only motivated to prove the holocaust claims Nessie, and now that's you flying in the face of evidence you shouldn't be ignoring. The volumes of evidence being presented to disprove the wild claims has now exceeded the information that's pro-holocaust.

The best that can happen for the legends of the holocaust now is that intelligent people of the 21st. century are not subjected to the lies and disinformation and exaggerations. That will result in the death of the legend for sure. That which we do here, on both sides of the debate, needs to be seen by the world. And then the world's decent people will begin to ask difficult questions that the H.P. team can't answer.

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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by Nessie » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:19 pm

montgomery wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:50 pm
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You're only motivated to prove the holocaust claims Nessie, and now that's you flying in the face of evidence you shouldn't be ignoring. The volumes of evidence being presented to disprove the wild claims has now exceeded the information that's pro-holocaust.

The best that can happen for the legends of the holocaust now is that intelligent people of the 21st. century are not subjected to the lies and disinformation and exaggerations. That will result in the death of the legend for sure. That which we do here, on both sides of the debate, needs to be seen by the world. And then the world's decent people will begin to ask difficult questions that the H.P. team can't answer.
I explained to you some of the issues with witness evidence which you clearly ignorant of. You ignore what I said and responded with propaganda.

You are not interested in learning. You have no evidence. All you can do is bluster.
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Re: The Quest for Eye Witnesses to the Holocaust.

Post by montgomery » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:56 pm

And you Nessie have become a distraction and an annoyance. It's over! I no longer have any hesitation in calling it all a load of bogus crap, invented for the cause of promoting Zionism in the fact of human decency.
Indeed, we need to drive Zionist hateful lies into the sea and drown it forever.
How sad that the world will have to see another world war that will turn nuclear in order to accomplish that good.

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