Friedrich Kellner asks in real time to where Jews supposedly were being taken

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Re: Friedrich Kellner asks in real time to where Jews supposedly were being taken

Postby VFX » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:47 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Since I started this thread with Kellner, although I’ve since added a lot of other, similar evidence, I think it’s time to take a look at Kellner’s diary:

[all quotations from pp ix-xxxi and 1-26 of Robert Scott Kellner, ed, My Opposition: The Diary of Friedrich Kellner: A German Against the Third Reich]

A good conman would know how to make his work seem authentic. I have read your stuff with great interest and these Diaries are not of critical importance, interesting, but should be taken with the caution in mind that these might have been written after the War. Hindsight bias would be the issue here, with fake memories. This man would have had plenty of blank writing material of the time to write on, he would have had plenty of time to think out his strategy. It is all his own work, so in the end does it matter if they were written at the time, or as reflections after the war. In either case they show his political biases against the Communists and National Socialist Germany: in reality the works say more about the author than about anything else.
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Re: Friedrich Kellner asks in real time to where Jews supposedly were being taken

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:57 pm

By the way - anticipating a bit - the diary was not "used" for legal or other proceedings against the National Socialists, their officials, etc as it didn't appear in print in 2011 - long after scores had been settled, so to speak. Also, the diary has a great deal of writing about the course of the war and military issues, including events in Asia, on which Kellner gave his views, sometimes very interesting and incisive, other times quickly overtaken by developments. There are running observations of people's mood about the war, the party, and the regime - in which Kellner tracks changes as the war ground on, and commentary on "life during wartime," the churches, National Socialist leaders, war goals of the various countries, what might be expected from America; foreign laborers in the Laubach vicinity, the behavior of neighbors and party bigwigs, repression of dissent, how the local party organizations and leaders operated, harsh criticism of the French, the errors of the Allies and the Germans, insults of the Italians, and nasty comments the Brits, and Ike.

It is not a diary about the Jewish question, so-called, nor is much of the text devoted to the persecution of the Jews. It's a war diary, but you'd have to read it to realize it.
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Re: Friedrich Kellner asks in real time to where Jews supposedly were being taken

Postby VFX » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:17 pm

I agree with you. Great post. :) From my perspective to understand any work, is to read it in the knowledge of the context in which it was written. As mentioned the work is authentic, the issue with the time period is the influence of hindsight bias. It seems he always has had strong political viewpoints which would always influence his work.
Nessie quoted some reports from this work of Soldiers reporting mass shootings. That does not gel, especially if it was a State Secret; he would have been arrested.
Once the politics and biases of the author are understood it is entirely worthy and historical within that context.To read that book is to look at National Socialist Deutschland through the coloured glasses of that author.
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Re: Friedrich Kellner asks in real time to where Jews supposedly were being taken

Postby Balsamo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:09 am

The Diary of Friedrich Kellner: A German Against the Third Reich]


I am gonna get that one, thanks.

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Re: Friedrich Kellner asks in real time to where Jews supposedly were being taken

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:59 am

VFX should, too :)
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