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Post by Aaron Richards » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:22 pm

It's just been released on YouTube. Has anyone watched it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk


Basically, the conspiracy goes something like this (and I've heard this since my days on 4chan's /pol/): "Mainstream Media (MSM) does their part in supporting white genocide by focusing on blacks drowning in the Mediterranean while not talking about what's happening to white farmers in South Africa. They are being systematically exterminated; the ANC govt in SA has turned a blind eye toward farm killings, which are all organized and not acts of individual criminals"

I consume several different media outlets (CNN, BBC, euronews) and I have never heard of any farmers being systematically killed in South Africa, hence my position of calling it a conspiracy.

Of course, individual murders occur in every country, and it is not the responsibility of international media to report on national murders unless there is some kind of pattern, motive or volume that would make it appropriate to do so.

My knowledge about Boers in South Africa is very little, so if anyone else has spent some time with this topic, can you tell me whether this is another alt-right conspiracy (as usual), vastly exaggerating things, or is there really stuff going on regarding white farmers in South Africa?

Putting it in this forum because it's the usual denier suspects currently promoting this documentary.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:34 pm

>> I have never heard of any farmers being systematically killed in South Africa, hence my position of calling it a conspiracy.

Have they exhumed the corpses? Do they have forensic studies? (Has been-there gotten hold of forensic studies of the mass graves of his claimed 1 million German POWs staved by Ike in the Rhineland?) But no, seriously, I've not seen this nor heard about the allegations: I've spent a little time in South Africa - Cape Town - and white genocide didn't come up. Crime did. And legacies of apartheid. Most of those I met and got to know were very critical of the apartheid years - and some, even millennials, were to that day Rodriguez fans. I did manage to visit a still-segregated, impoverished "township" and learn about the schools there, whose teachers seemed to be doing their best in very trying conditions. No one mentioned white genocide, most of those I got to know were white and they had very different concerns to anything like this. They came across as deeply and genuinely concerned that South Africa do better to get rid of racial discrimination and inequality. Most were educators or in related fields.
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Post by Aaron Richards » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:45 pm

Here is a summary of critique regarding the Farmlands documentary posted by affinitymagazine:
Canadian alt-right political activist, Lauren Southern, has released a documentary called ‘Farmlands‘ which promises to be an expose on the cruelty faced by white South Africans. Lauren attempts to paint a picture in which BEE (Black Economic Empowerment) laws as well as brutal farm murders have left the country’s white minority destitute and fearing for their lives.

However, this documentary has thus far proven to be rife with misinformation. The reality is that the majority of white South Africans do not face this type of poverty. In fact, recent studies from BusinessTech have revealed shocking disparities between the wages of black and white South Africans – with white male professionals earning almost double that of black male professionals. In 2017, Quartz Africa illustrated an employment landscape which starkly contradicts Lauren Southern’s – one in which black unemployment sits at 31.4% as compared to the 6.6% among white people. These statistics are particularly troubling when noting that white people make up a mere 8.9% of the total South African population; using discretion alone, one can easily see that white South Africans hold a disproportionately large amount of wealth.

This can be traced to various operations which took place under the Apartheid government, such as the Migrant Labour System and Group Areas Act (1950). To simplify, the Apartheid government displaced millions of black South Africans from land which was rightfully theirs and implemented policies to ensure that they would remain destitute.

Additionally, the Bantu Education Act (1953) guaranteed that black South Africans would receive inadequate education in order to perpetuate a cycle in which they remained subservient laborers. Despite the end of Apartheid roughly 24 years ago, black South Africans remain burdened by legacies of poor education, racial discrimination and the loss of their land – which was never returned.

This, of course, is why BBBEE (Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment) was introduced – an attempt to rectify the unemployment inequalities across South Africa. Furthermore, current President Cyril Ramaphosa has announced his support of “expropriation without compensation” – a principle which will see stolen land being responsibly redistributed among black agricultural workers.

Yet, not everybody seems joyful about the prospect of supporting equality. ‘Farmlands‘ strategically exploits the tragic instances of recent farm murders in order to create a “white genocide” agenda in South Africa. It is true that, between 2016 and 2017, 74 farm murders have occurred – with 61% of victims being white. However, the National Operational Coordinating Committee has previously been unable to prove that these crimes are purely racially motivated.

Furthermore, Lauren fails to mention that many of these “whites-only refugee camps” are in fact racist “white-only enclaves” – something that the Western Cape ruling party has recognized and spoken out against.

So why does Lauren Southern feel the need to spread the message of an impending white doom? The issue lies in the attitudes of white South Africans who are unable to cope with emerging black power. The fact is that the Apartheid government legislated the black population into poverty; consequently, the white minority was all but guaranteed employment and success even if they were unqualified. Mail & Guardian contributor, Khaya Dlanga, expressed his view that many white South Africans feel as though they deserve employment simply by virtue of being white.
Of course, for your average White Nationalist on the internet, "expropriation without compensation" measures like these:

https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/20 ... ring-told/

...are just as just/unjust as Hitler 'removing Jews from their positions of power' in 1930s Germany and giving those positions back to ethnic Germans.

The difference is (something the WN is too stupid to understand), unlike whites in SA, the Jews in Germany did not create any laws that prevented ethnic Germans from competing with them. The Jews in Germany excelled via placing importance in education and hard work. While the whites in SA also did that, they ALSO happened to have placed lots of laws in their favor that helped them into, and secured their current position. If the ANC wants to dismantle these laws, stormweenies cry white genocide.
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Post by Aaron Richards » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:19 pm

Some additional interesting comments:
I dont understand why you are reporting on SA famers being killed only, do you know that there are also farmers who have been killing black workers? dont you think that some of these people are reverging? why dont you report on that?
Always remember: the situation today is a result of colonialism..
Racism at its best: just tell the story of one side and show frightening pictures of "the unknown". There is no analysis of the reasons of these killings and there is no proof that there is many of them. You propagate segregation as the best solution, but you will finally realize that the opposite is the only strategy that can succeed. You need to choose: do you always want to live in fear and fight, or will you make the first steps into trust and peace.
Afrikaners must accept they did harm: Migrant Labour System ripped families, Group Areas Act killed communities. Security Branch did torture and killings. Mixed Marriages Act, etc. Time to talk about it
This journalist came ALL the way to South Africa to talk to the 1%. Wow.
I am South African. "Some of the poorest people in country", are you {!#%@}' kidding me? I understand that the documentary is meant to focus on this one issue(more of a crime issue than a racial one honestly) but this is an incredible miss-representation. She basically found a bunch of crazy black people and put them on camera, get the {!#%@} outta here! She got a great ass though.
This is a {!#%@} joke right???? Have you stepped foot in any of the 1000s of informal settlements in south africa. Lol wow!!! *you see the thing is starving people don't have the time to have a voice on documentaries.. Not one multiracial person on your bias documentary.. Ha sure journalism.. More like advertising and fear mongering. There are bigger issues for people than land here... People are fighting for decent wages.. Our country is almost shut down more then 3 times this year because of strikes for better wages. No one who isn't a white farmer our country. Gives a damn about the land.. People are trying to stay alive get your facts straight. These people are far from the faces of real south african daily life. Sorry no respect for ignorance. Psht. This is just a sad attempt. And please enlighten me how is this helping anyone, moving humanity progress forward.. expect sympathy for a very few disguntled afrikaaners who refuse to come to the table and discuss anything.. But rather create controlled drama.. Outside of the country.
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Post by landrew » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:41 pm

This is a very sad story, and the evidence being presented is incontrovertible. Families who have lived on farms for generations are being summarily executed, presumably because the legal system is showing little interest in the matter. Some might have lesser sympathies because of the history of apartheid, but it's no less a factor in the USA where slavery was a historic fact, but does not justify contemporary acts of violence.
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Post by Gord » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:08 am

Aaron Richards wrote:
She got a great ass though.
Oh! Well, I wasn't gonna watch it, but now....
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:01 am

I have seen stuff like this crop up on Twitter and other places. I never bothered to look into it because if something looks and smells like horseshit then I call it horseshit.

Thanks for looking into it, though, Aaron. I didn’t even know where to start.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:10 am

Gord wrote:
Aaron Richards wrote:
She got a great ass though.
Oh! Well, I wasn't gonna watch it, but now....

This is her. She seems nice.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Gord wrote:
Aaron Richards wrote:
She got a great ass though.
Oh! Well, I wasn't gonna watch it, but now....

This is her. She seems nice.

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Actually the title makes her sound like a whinging cow...

Not to mention the cover endorsement from Anne Coulter...

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Post by Aaron Richards » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:31 pm

Can't believe the OP's video got flagged by all the triggered right wing snowflakes. Good thing it was mirrored. Youtube is going nuts these days.
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Post by Jeff_36 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:49 pm

Ok so in no particular order

1. It is a fact that the ANC elite in the post Mandela era are racially bigoted in the same way that Vorster was. The only difference in their bigotry is the group towards which it is directed. Of particular concern is Julius Malema, a prominent EFF MP who is known to recite racist poems in public.

2. This prejudice is not only directed towards whites - "coluoured" South Africans (who are of mixed ethnic origins) are the recipients of racialist polemics from nationalistic Africans and racial prejudice regularly. Source - my current somewhat significant other is originally from the Natal and is of mixed ethnic origins. This is a fact that Southern conveniently ignores.

3. Lauren Southern is an alt-right loser who can best be described as the Canadian equivalent of Marion Marchal Le Pen. She is not a trustworthy source and has a marginal voice at best. I have no clue as to why she's suddenly concerned about inter-communal strife in South Africa.

4. This type of event was rampant in Zimbabwe in the early 2000's, and was carried out there as a result of a state directed, top-down campaign. I do not deny that similar incidents have occurred in South Africa, but it is likely not centralized and systemic. Any involvement by the authorities likely takes the form of ignorance rather than direct, top-down complicity.
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Post by Aaron Richards » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:34 am

Just when you thought Lauren Southern and the chan boys obsessing over white farm murders was just some local buzz we were shining too much spotlight on:

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:33 pm

Nice to see Two Scoops promoting “white genocide.” He might could coordinate on saving the white race not only with Tucker Carlson but also with Eric Hunt.
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Can't believe the OP's video got flagged by all the triggered right wing snowflakes. Good thing it was mirrored. Youtube is going nuts these days.
It's not just youtube, it's twitter and other places like those, too. Apparently "banning Alex Jones from the internet" has inspired all the nuts to click flag buttons on anything and everything they hate.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:41 pm

background from TPM on South Africa land issues and "white genocide" claims: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/sout ... m-seizures

and from the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/worl ... e=Homepage
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Post by Jeff_36 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:13 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Nice to see Two Scoops promoting “white genocide.” He might could coordinate on saving the white race not only with Tucker Carlson but also with Eric Hunt.
I hate Trump but this is no laughing matter - it seems to be a repeat of Mugabe's bloody land reform campaign of the early 2000's. Horrid one way or another.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:21 pm

That's not what TPM and the NY Times describe. Nor The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... r-killings. Nor The New Statesman: https://www.newstatesman.com/world/afri ... uth-africa. Nor Africa Check: https://africacheck.org/2017/05/08/anal ... mpossible/ (https://africacheck.org/factsheets/fact ... urders-sa/).

A number of such background pieces came out today, after Trump's tweet, all in the same vein.

more from SA's The Citizen: https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa ... a-reports/

from NY Mag: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... ocide.html

from VOX: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... s-violence

from The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 04156.html

To be clear, none of these pieces would consider the land issue in SA and recent confiscation debates a "laughing matter," even as all reject the "white genocide" claims and discuss the seriousness of crime in SA.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:That's not what TPM and the NY Times describe. Nor The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... r-killings. Nor The New Statesman: https://www.newstatesman.com/world/afri ... uth-africa. Nor Africa Check: https://africacheck.org/2017/05/08/anal ... mpossible/ (https://africacheck.org/factsheets/fact ... urders-sa/).

A number of such background pieces came out today, after Trump's tweet, all in the same vein.

more from SA's The Citizen: https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa ... a-reports/

from NY Mag: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... ocide.html

from VOX: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... s-violence

from The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 04156.html

To be clear, none of these pieces would consider the land issue in SA and recent confiscation debates a "laughing matter," even as all reject the "white genocide" claims and discuss the seriousness of crime in SA.
"white genocide" is just an alt-right buzzword, nothing more. However, this policy on part of the ANC is irresponsible and disturbing. Land reform in third-world countries has not historically tended in a positive direction. Observers have every right to be concerned.

I find it disturbing that the Guardian quoted Julius Malema - a tyrant in the making who doesn't deserve a platform. The man is the South African Trump - a sickening human being.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:35 am

We seem to be "talking" past each other. Are you supportive of Trump's tweet? Do you think that I, or the writers of the articles I linked to, support wholesale farm expropriations?
Jeff_36 wrote:"white genocide" is just an alt-right buzzword, nothing more.
This is not true. The articles to which I linked make clear why it isn't true. Anyway, Aaron and I posted about Trump's tweet, in its context - his sources, his accuracy, what he's getting at . . .
Jeff_36 wrote:However, this policy on part of the ANC is irresponsible and disturbing.
Land reform - which is different to farmer murders - is being used, according to the information in the pieces I linked to, by the Economic Freedom Party (EFF), Malema's party, which is growing in strength (in part due to the ineffectiveness of ANC land reform policies) and is pressuring the ANC from the left for an effective expropriation policy. The ANC is indeed determined to proceed, but, again, that is not the same thing as mass murder of SA farmers, although it may be unwise (I think so, btw). The status quo may also be unwise (this also seems to be the case).
Jeff_36 wrote:Land reform in third-world countries has not historically tended in a positive direction. Observers have every right to be concerned.
Leaving aside that South Africa is not generally categorized as a "third-world country" . . . Trump tweeted not just about land reform but also "large scale killing of farmers": "South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. 'South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.' @TuckerCarlson." In the first place, the non-compensated confiscations he said are occurring aren't yet, though the government is pushing ahead to implement the policy soon, as I understand it.

Second, again, the killings and the farm policy seem to be largely separate matters (one study, during the period when the murders were near their peak over a decade ago, found that 2% were political; IIRC a study from the same period showed that about 1/3 of the victims were non-whites).

Third, back to the pieces I linked to, to take VOX, on the one hand, black South Africans were screwed out of farmland generations ago and the pattern lingers - AND "not everyone is convinced it’s a good idea. Some, including investors, worry that it could trigger a catastrophic economic crisis like the one that occurred in neighboring Zimbabwe when it enacted similar reforms in 2000," or, as Eric Levitz writes in NY Mag, "Although the moral case for reparations in South Africa is bulletproof, one hardly needs to be a white nationalist to question the wisdom of executing such reparations through forced land redistribution (rather than through taxes and cash payments, more generous social welfare programs, etc.). After all, South Africa’s economy is heavily reliant on foreign capital. And if mass, uncompensated expropriation scares investors . . ."

It is this sort of policy nuance that is, frankly, absent in Trump's statement (and, it seems to me, EFF agitation as well). But also it's the connection of the wild charge of mass murder of farmers to land reform proposals, made by Trump, that each of the pieces I linked to finds not only fallacious but dangerous.

Are you under the impression that Trump is really concerned about land reform in SA?
Jeff_36 wrote:I find it disturbing that the Guardian quoted Julius Malema - a tyrant in the making who doesn't deserve a platform. The man is the South African Trump - a sickening human being.
This is absurd. For better or worse, Malema is the leader of the EFF, the country's third largest party, after the ANC and the Democratic Alliance (a center-right party IIRC), also quoted in the piece. Why on earth wouldn't he be quoted given the EFF's agitation on this issue? The way I read that part of The Guardian's article was different to how you did: they seemed to be showing that across the spectrum, that is, across political foes within SA, there was disgust with Trump's tweet.

I didn't read where The Guardian endorsed Malema, I read where they simply quoted him (for the record, the little I know of the EFF marks them as a misogynist party playing on populist/leftist racial backlash - and given to bloodthirsty, murderous rhetoric and threats - that they are the third largest party in SA is not comforting, but none of the pieces I linked to was supportive of the EFF). Besides which, various media outlets quote the racist Sweden Democrats, the AfD leadership, the Italian League, in the US alt-right figures and Trumpies, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell . . .
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Post by landrew » Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:02 pm

I've seen the documentary, and it seems the subject has gone directly from a news story to a political football between the warring tribes of Left and Right.

The families being murdered and driven off their lands are being given short-shrift; not given a fair hearing or given a chance for justice or compensation. This is not to take sides, but it's from my own attempt to gather relevant facts.

All we need is a fair accounting of the situation, instead of an ideological battlefield.
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