What countries criminalize non-Holocaust denial?

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What countries criminalize non-Holocaust denial?

Postby Sergey_Romanov » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:13 pm

Let's make a sourced up-to-date list.

Here's a useful guide as a start.

http://www.proyectos.cchs.csic.es/trans ... ial-crimes


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Re: What countries criminalize non-Holocaust denial?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:05 pm

Sergey_Romanov wrote:Let's make a sourced up-to-date list.

Here's a useful guide as a start.

http://www.proyectos.cchs.csic.es/trans ... ial-crimes



That’s funny, had the same thought. I opened a topic with that website.

I deleted my topic as a duplicate so we can just use yours.
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Re: What countries criminalize non-Holocaust denial?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:10 pm

This is interesting from Yad Vashem:
https://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/holocaust-antisemitism/holocaust-denial-laws.html

Of particular interest is this passage:

State Prosecutor Bernhardt Hussler urged a Stuttgart state court to fine Juergen Kamm, owner of a mail order company that sells anti-Nazi t-shirts and badges. 6,000 Euros [$7,610] for selling merchandise that carry the swastikas and other Nazi symbols through his mail-order business. "Swastikas shouldn't be displayed in such a striking way," Hussler said, adding that he hopes the outcome of this trial will bring about a complete ban of Nazi symbols in public spaces. Defense attorney Michael Wolff argued that Kamm was using the symbols to fight against neo-Nazis and other far-right extremists. Kamm explained: "It should not be illegal to use the symbols against Nazis."

The prosecutor disagreed. He argued that German law strictly forbids the use of symbols associated with the Nazi regime, no matter in what context they are used. He contended that it is irrelevant what the intent of the wearer is, and also that it did not matter that the symbol had been altered. The symbol should simply not be used publicly.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:29 pm

‘I have not left anybody in the dark about the fact that this time, millions of adult men would not die, and hundreds of thousands of women and children would not be burnt or bombed to death in the cities, without the actual culprit, albeit by more humane means, having to pay for his guilt.’
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Re: What countries criminalize non-Holocaust denial?

Postby Denying-History » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:31 am

Switzerland arrests under hate speech laws for Armenian-Genocide denial:
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/worl ... swiss.html

France's now revoked Armenian genocide denial law:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-16677986

https://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2017/ ... expression

Justin McCarthy on the matter of these laws and Turkeys law used to suppress discussion on the Armenian genocide in their country:

"But the main thing that bothers me is that Turkey has a law that should not be there, and this is a law that says you should not defame the Turkish government, this is a silly law, they should get rid of it, (be)cause it allows every small time prosecutor to bring a case that shouldn't be, that shouldn't happen. But I want to make sure that we understand that Turkey is not the only country that has a law. For instance, I can't go to France. I can't go to France, why? ¸— and speak — because France has a law against my saying that there was not an Armenian genocide, or more precisely saying it was a mutual genocide. I can't go to Switzerland, because Switzerland has laws against that, and Switzerland puts people in jail. Now, it is definitely wrong for Turkey, for Turkey to stop people from saying what they want to say, especially professors who have a duty to profess. But it is {?} definitely wrong for countries that we revere, like France and Switzerland, to do much worse; because in Turkey, indeed, there are people who deny the Armenian genocide and people who support the Armenian genocide; scholars who have a definite conversation. But in countries like France, if you open your mouth, you end up sued or in jail."
https://youtu.be/dOo3QlxWZ5Q?t=710

Proposal to extend denial laws of the holocaust according to EU law to communist crimes:
"Foreign ministers from Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and the Czech Republic said communist crimes "should be treated according to the same standards" as those of Nazi regimes, notably in those countries with Holocaust denial laws."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/21/european-commission-communist-crimes-nazism

I believe I found the actual documents from the Czech Republic and Hungry a few months ago. Will have to check, if I cannot find them will just ask Richard Evens. Supposedly these two states have extended their denial laws to Communist crimes against humanity as well.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:09 pm

‘I have not left anybody in the dark about the fact that this time, millions of adult men would not die, and hundreds of thousands of women and children would not be burnt or bombed to death in the cities, without the actual culprit, albeit by more humane means, having to pay for his guilt.’
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Re: What countries criminalize non-Holocaust denial?

Postby Denying-History » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:53 pm

Rowandan genocide denial is also a crime in Rowanda. Forgot to post this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/29/rwanda-journalists-genocide-denial-appeal

Frances “anti-genocide denial law” no idea if it was passed:

http://www.newtimes.co.rw/section/read/208468
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Re: What countries criminalize non-Holocaust denial?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:22 pm

Off topic but related: The case described in this article, "Düsseldorf neo-Nazi bomb attack defendant acquitted") knocks a bit of a hole in denier "understanding" of Germany, its legal system, and its approach to neo-Nazis and anti-Semitism. Here, a neo-Nazi defendant, Ralf S., is acquitted by a Düsseldorf court on "12 counts of attempted murder for a bombing targeting Jewish immigrants at a Düsseldorf train station in July 2000" because "there was insufficient evidence for a conviction."
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Re: What countries criminalize non-Holocaust denial?

Postby Monster » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:02 pm

Sergey_Romanov wrote:What countries criminalize non-Holocaust denial?

What you wrote is:

What countries criminalize denying things? Except the Holocaust. That can be denied.
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