Why Germany couldn't have won the war

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:32 am

Naturally the secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact were not revealed when the basic text was released. The German Embassy members involved took oaths of secrecy. However, Hans Herwath, the Second Secretary of the German Embassy, leaked the full contents of the Pact to the American Ambassador Charles Bohlen.
Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, page 666.
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The NKVD knocks on a door.
The inhabitants ask who it is.
“NKVD.”
“You’ve got the wrong apartment. The Communists are upstairs.”

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby psychiatry is a scam » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:02 am

Jeff_36 wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:Malta Spitfire GEORGE BEURLING and Leslie Roberts


You don't need to tell me about Buzz {!#%@} Burling. I already know.

:yahoo:



i did a search first ; nothing came up . Malta was mentioned in this thread ?

i only know the one book
what else do you know ?
buzz blanking sounds negative ? book makes him sound fantastic till he got sick.


maybe someone else might want to know ?

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeff_36 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:22 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:Malta Spitfire GEORGE BEURLING and Leslie Roberts


You don't need to tell me about Buzz {!#%@} Burling. I already know.

:yahoo:



i did a search first ; nothing came up . Malta was mentioned in this thread ?

i only know the one book
what else do you know ?
buzz blanking sounds negative ? book makes him sound fantastic till he got sick.


maybe someone else might want to know ?


What the hell are you talking about?

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Balmoral95 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:43 am

Jeff_36 wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:Malta Spitfire GEORGE BEURLING and Leslie Roberts


You don't need to tell me about Buzz {!#%@} Burling. I already know.

:yahoo:



i did a search first ; nothing came up . Malta was mentioned in this thread ?

i only know the one book
what else do you know ?
buzz blanking sounds negative ? book makes him sound fantastic till he got sick.


maybe someone else might want to know ?


What the hell are you talking about?


Translation: request for info re Burling

Easy answer: YTube search for videos. Not a great one but History channel did a b- bio which is probs on YT by now.

Malta: Yes, Malta... it's a significant part of Burling's story. See above.

Other option: Wikipedia bio and follow links for additional info.

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby montgomery » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:39 am

History channel is pure adulterated pap my friend, and so is anything produced by the Hollywood Zionists. expand your horizons! You should spend a lot less time screaming obscenities at me and more time learning from sources that haven't been bought and paid for by Aipac and the Zionist lobbyists. You're probably the only one on this board that I haven't been able to make any progress with yet. I need to catch you up.

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Balmoral95 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:52 am

montgomery wrote:History channel is pure adulterated pap my friend, and so is anything produced by the Hollywood Zionists. expand your horizons! You should spend a lot less time screaming obscenities at me and more time learning from sources that haven't been bought and paid for by Aipac and the Zionist lobbyists. You're probably the only one on this board that I haven't been able to make any progress with yet. I need to catch you up.


Feeling bilious tonight?

I'm talking about a 30 minute bio of a Canadian pilot.... WTF are you talking about? Unless you care to explain how that bit of "pap" advances the cause of Zionist Lobbyists.

And yet another assumption without foundation....

Why don't you give a reporr card tomorrow on your progress.

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby montgomery » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:06 am

You mentioned the History channel and so that's what I'm talking about. And that's what you 'will' talk about if you talk to me. I get the feeling that you are mad at me for something. Or is it that you are mad at everybody for something. Be nice or I won't talk at you anymore.

You don't have to be a nasty little crotch cricket you know. The self appointed boss can't take your toys away from you if you disobey his orders to spam every thread.

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Balmoral95 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:51 am

montgomery wrote:You mentioned the History channel and so that's what I'm talking about. And that's what you 'will' talk about if you talk to me. I get the feeling that you are mad at me for something. Or is it that you are mad at everybody for something. Be nice or I won't talk at you anymore.

You don't have to be a nasty little crotch cricket you know. The self appointed boss can't take your toys away from you if you disobey his orders to spam every thread.


How do you know the "boss" wasn't elected by a secret conclave of the membership executive committee?

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:26 am

:hmm: This is why. :mrgreen:
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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:36 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Naturally the secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact were not revealed when the basic text was released. The German Embassy members involved took oaths of secrecy. However, Hans Herwath, the Second Secretary of the German Embassy, leaked the full contents of the Pact to the American Ambassador Charles Bohlen.
Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, page 666.


I do think it ironic that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact made Chamberlain talk about “Russian treachery.” Chamberlain never made serious attempts to come to terms with Stalin, stalling things in an attempt to bluff Hitler out his aggression while dangling possibilities. Stalin figured this out and made the deal best for him.
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The NKVD knocks on a door.
The inhabitants ask who it is.
“NKVD.”
“You’ve got the wrong apartment. The Communists are upstairs.”

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:24 pm

I think I might just open a thread on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and move these comments to it.
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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby montgomery » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:47 pm

Anything that can rise above the spamming and personal insults sounds interesting!

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Denying-History » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:51 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:I think I might just open a thread on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and move these comments to it.

Might be interesting to look at.
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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:12 pm

Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I think I might just open a thread on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and move these comments to it.

Might be interesting to look at.


I will do it once I finish reading the Stalin biography, Kotkin actually goes into a lot of detail.
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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:13 pm

montgomery wrote:Anything that can rise above the spamming and personal insults sounds interesting!


Feel free.
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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:18 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I think I might just open a thread on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and move these comments to it.

Might be interesting to look at.


I will do it once I finish reading the Stalin biography, Kotkin actually goes into a lot of detail.

Good idea, I have an unread book on the pact which such a thread might prompt me to read :)
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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:20 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I think I might just open a thread on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and move these comments to it.

Might be interesting to look at.


I will do it once I finish reading the Stalin biography, Kotkin actually goes into a lot of detail.

Good idea, I have an unread book on the pact which such a thread might prompt me to read :)


Well, anything to help you dig into the Hackenholt Memorial Library...
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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:36 pm

LOL
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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:39 pm

Just a few things on this while I wrap up Kotkin:

Stalin really believed that the German buildup along the border was a prelude to Germany making demands and not invasion. He thought it made no sense to attack the USSR while the British were still fighting. He fully expected German demands in the days leading up to the invasion.
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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:49 pm

Kotkin gives the following numbers in regards to the USSR’s relative military strength when the Germans invaded:

10,000 T-26 and BT-7 tanks (light tanks)

1800 T-34 and KV tanks combined, of which there were 832 T-34 and 469 KV tanks in the West. There were 13,000 tanks in the West.

Kotkin states that advanced war planes like the Yak-1, MIG-3 and the Pe-2 made up about a quarter of the available Soviet Air Force.

The problem lay with the officer corps. The purges devastated the top command and the lower officer ranks. Most of those left were young, uneducated and inexperienced.
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The NKVD knocks on a door.
The inhabitants ask who it is.
“NKVD.”
“You’ve got the wrong apartment. The Communists are upstairs.”

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Re: Why Germany couldn't have won the war

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:23 pm

Stalin relented the day before the invasion and allowed his forces to go on alert.
A joke going around Moscow during The Great Terror:

The NKVD knocks on a door.
The inhabitants ask who it is.
“NKVD.”
“You’ve got the wrong apartment. The Communists are upstairs.”


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