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Appeasement

Postby NathanC » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:26 am

Probably the best argument against the meme that "Judea"(Or anyone else besides Hitler) started the war is the fact that from 1933 to 1939, everyone and their mother was trying to appease Hitler to avoid war until Hitler himself finally started it. The UK and France especially, but later on the USSR and the US would get in on it too.

The Rhineland
So, in 1936, Hitler Remilitarized the Rhineland, claiming that it was in response to a Soviet-French treaty some years back. According to the Daily Express, "Judea" declared war on Germany 3 years prior and control the entire world, meaning that this was a perfect opportunity for the UK and France, allegedly controlled by "Judea", to take military action as part of this war, especially because the German military hadn't been rebuilt yet. Instead, the French and the UK avoided the opportunity and decided to let Hitler have the Rhineland. Anthony Eden explicitly said that the action "Wasn't a threat to peace", and while the French mobilized some divisions in response, they avoided all contact with the Germans. No war, despite the alleged "War" being declared by "Judea" 3 years ago. Oops.

The Spanish Civil War
In 1936 again, the left wing Popular front won the elections in Spain and became the ruling Party. Fears of Socialism triggered the Civil War, with Hitler and the Nazis supporting Franco's National front, and Stalin offering some degree of support to the Popular Front. Since 3 years prior, "Judea" had "declared" war on Germany, this was another golden opportunity for them, the UK or France to militarily confront Hitler in this "war". Instead, nothing came of it. France's Leon Blum initially sympathized with the Popular front and was willing to give support to them, but changed his mind after being pressured by the UK. The UK had a lot of business interests in Spain at the time (40%) and they were legitimately worried about losing them to communism. Blum's dealings with the Popular Front were then leaked by his own side, further undermining him. The UK would ultimately sit out the Spanish Civil War, trying to pass it off as a "good will" gesture so they could get Hitler's cooperation in Mutual Security treaties. They would later acknowledge Franco's government. No war, despite the alleged "War" being declared by "Judea" 3 years ago. Oops.

Czechoslovakia/the Munich Agreement.
So, after the Anschluss, Hitler set his sights on Czechoslovakia. Sudeten Nazis whipped up stories about abuses being perpetrated on Ethnic Germans, giving Hitler the Pretext for finally launching the War that he always said he would. Czechoslovakia had security treaties with the UK, France, and even tried to get one with the USSR. The Perfect (and some might say legitimate) opportunity for "Judea" to finally take military action in the "war" they started in 1933, after the hilariously (and deliberately) missed opportunities in 1936. Nope. Neville Chamberlain of "Peace in our time" fame also said that as much as he felt sorry for the Czechs and Hitler's aggression, it didn't feel right that the UK would suffer war again "Because of a far away land". Naturally, the UK and France sided with Hitler and Pressured the Czechs to cave in, which they did, resulting in the Munich Accords. As far as they were concerned, the Czechs "Unnecessarily dramatized" the situation.

This is where the USSR comes in. The Czechs tried to change the UK and France's minds by approaching Stalin. Stalin ignored him, though. So did the Soviet Military attaches the Czechs approached. Stalin did make some military maneuvers, but they were directed more against Poland than against the Nazis. When Hitler and Poland attacked and Carved up Czechoslovakia, The USSR waited Thirty Six Hours before finally agreeing to a security guarantee, but did nothing. Stalin would later Blame Czechoslovakia for not putting up a good fight.

To later add insult to injury, the UK transferred Czech Gold Reserves in the Bank of London to the Nazis. No war, from either France, the UK, or the "Jewish Bolsheviks" despite the opportunity and the alleged "War" being declared by "Judea" 5 years ago now. Oops

Invasion of Poland.
Chamberlain, who had negotiated with Hitler in legitimate good faith, had enough and with France, gave Poland a Security Guarantee. But even then, it was more of a bluff. The Guarantee Chamberlain gave explicitly said that the UK and France would only intervene on Poland's behalf if its independence/national identity was threatened. This was apparently to allow the UK and France some wiggle room to make another Deal with Hitler in order to avoid war, by having Poland give up some of its territories (specifically the ones taken from Germany after Versailles) in exchange for Peace. As late as July 22, UK officials were meeting with German officials and trying to secure a non-aggression pact (which would free the UK from their guarantee to Poland) in exchange to the territories Germany wanted, plus Danzig. FDR would get in on the act too; in April of that Year he made a [url="https://www.nytimes.com/1939/04/16/archives/president-appeals-he-offers-world-parley-to-free-raw-materials-and.html"]legitimate offer[/url] to Hitler to give access to American resources in exchange for Peace (It should always be noted that at this same time, FDR was blocking Jewish immigration to the US). None of this would mean {!#%@}, though. Hitler wanted war and always did, which was why he staged the Gleiwitz attack to give him the pretext to invade Poland. Much like with Czechoslovakia though, the UK and France wrote Poland off and instead waited in France behind the Latter's WW1 style defenses for Hitler to take the war to them, which would not happen until the following year.

Conclusion
There was no "War" started by "Judea" in 1933, and everyone was trying to appease Hitler to avoid war. The Daily Express article was a fart in the wind, as demonstrated by the actual actions of the Real World Powers: The UK, France, the US, and even the "Jewish" Bolsheviks. Guilt for Versailles was real and influenced Chamberlain and other British officials' decisions, which led them to appease Hitler between 1933 and 1939 and not wage a nonexistent war declared by a nonexistent "Judea"

EDIT:
Apparently, the answer to the question of "Why didn't the UK and France declare war on the USSR when they invaded Poland" was not "because the Jews made them do it coz they hated the Germans", but has to do with the nature of the Security Guarantee. As mentioned previously, the Guarantee was for Poland's "Independence", and was meant to allow the UK and France Wiggle room to make another last minute deal with Hitler. In other words, they were willing to give away Parts of Poland in an attempt to make "peace". The USSR attacked Poland, but their reasoning was that they wanted to take Back Ukrainian and Belorussian areas that had been taken By Poland years prior, unlike the Nazis who swallowed Poland up, annexed the western part (Warthegau) and turned what was left into the General Government. The Nazis met the conditions of the guarantee, but as Vile as the Soviets were, they didn't.
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Re: Appeasement

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:27 pm

NathanC wrote:Czechoslovakia/the Munich Agreement.
So, after the Anschluss, Hitler set his sights on Czechoslovakia. Sudeten Nazis whipped up stories about abuses being perpetrated on Ethnic Germans, giving Hitler the Pretext for finally launching the War that he always said he would. Czechoslovakia had security treaties with the UK, France, and even tried to get one with the USSR. The Perfect (and some might say legitimate) opportunity for "Judea" to finally take military action in the "war" they started in 1933, after the hilariously (and deliberately) missed opportunities in 1936. Nope. Neville Chamberlain of "Peace in our time" fame also said that as much as he felt sorry for the Czechs and Hitler's aggression, it didn't feel right that the UK would suffer war again "Because of a far away land". Naturally, the UK and France sided with Hitler and Pressured the Czechs to cave in, which they did, resulting in the Munich Accords. As far as they were concerned, the Czechs "Unnecessarily dramatized" the situation.

This is where the USSR comes in. The Czechs tried to change the UK and France's minds by approaching Stalin. Stalin ignored him, though. So did the Soviet Military attaches the Czechs approached. Stalin did make some military maneuvers, but they were directed more against Poland than against the Nazis. When Hitler and Poland attacked and Carved up Czechoslovakia, The USSR waited Thirty Six Hours before finally agreeing to a security guarantee, but did nothing. Stalin would later Blame Czechoslovakia for not putting up a good fight.

To later add insult to injury, the UK transferred Czech Gold Reserves in the Bank of London to the Nazis. No war, from either France, the UK, or the "Jewish Bolsheviks" despite the opportunity and the alleged "War" being declared by "Judea" 5 years ago now. Oops


It’s been some time since I looked into this but from what I remember that if the British, French and “Judeo-Bolsheviks” wanted war Czechoslovakia was the place to do it. Czechoslovakia was much better situated strategically to defend itself. It fortifified it’s Northern border that was mountainous to begin with and possessed some very good weapon systems. The Czechs were better positioned to defend themselves while Britain and France prepared for war. Even Hitler admitted that Czechoslovakia was a tough nut to crack.
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Re: Appeasement

Postby NathanC » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:47 pm

It’s been some time since I looked into this but from what I remember that if the British, French and “Judeo-Bolsheviks” wanted war Czechoslovakia was the place to do it. Czechoslovakia was much better situated strategically to defend itself. It fortifified it’s Northern border that was mountainous to begin with and possessed some very good weapon systems. The Czechs were better positioned to defend themselves while Britain and France prepared for war. Even Hitler admitted that Czechoslovakia was a tough nut to crack.


Come on, it’s already hard if not impossible for the deniers to explain their fantasies in the context of the actual aims and policies of the participants. You’re making it even harder!

That is true. The Czech arms industry was quite good. Another additional benefit from Hitler absorbing Czechoslovakia was that their arms and munitions would either be sold of for foreign currency or added to their own stocks.

If I’m not mistaken, there was also a coup planned if Hitler went ahead with it and the British and French weren’t bluffing. Beck et al ( the same group behind the July 20 plot) were going to act, but unfortunatel The munich accords happenened and took the wind out of their sails.

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Re: Appeasement

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:09 pm

NathanC wrote:It’s been some time since I looked into this but from what I remember that if the British, French and “Judeo-Bolsheviks” wanted war Czechoslovakia was the place to do it. Czechoslovakia was much better situated strategically to defend itself. It fortifified it’s Northern border that was mountainous to begin with and possessed some very good weapon systems. The Czechs were better positioned to defend themselves while Britain and France prepared for war. Even Hitler admitted that Czechoslovakia was a tough nut to crack.

Come on, it’s already hard if not impossible for the deniers to explain their fantasies in the context of the actual aims and policies of the participants. You’re making it even harder!


If we had anymore deniers on Skeptics I’d personally apologize to them...... :D

That is true. The Czech arms industry was quite good. Another additional benefit from Hitler absorbing Czechoslovakia was that their arms and munitions would either be sold of for foreign currency or added to their own stocks.


Article on German use of foreign arms during WW II.

https://m.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/beutepanzer-how-germany-relied-on-captured-military-vehicles-fight-x.html

If I’m not mistaken, there was also a coup planned if Hitler went ahead with it and the British and French weren’t bluffing. Beck et al ( the same group behind the July 20 plot) were going to act, but unfortunatel The munich accords happenened and took the wind out of their sails.


Impossible to say if Beck would’ve actually gone through with it, the group made contact with Chamberlain during this time. Chamberlain was skeptical of Beck and the others taking action. I can’t say I really blame Chamberlain for being skeptical.

It is intriguing, though. It’s possible that Beck and the others would’ve acted if Hitler gave the order to attack. Think about the hell that would’ve saved....
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