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German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:24 pm

Alan Bullock breaks down the German Political Parties from 1919-1933 in his appendices of “Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives:”

SPD Majority Socialists-Social Democrats

USPD Independent Socialists-Left-Wing Party, broke with the SPD over the support of WWI, it ceased to exist in 1924

KPD Communists-Second Largest Communist Party in Europe

Center Party-Lay Catholic Party, formed in 1870.

BVP Bavarian People’s Party-Splinter Faction from the Center Party, it shifted more to the right and focused on Bavarian issues.

DDP Democrats-Left Liberal Party

Wirtschaftspartei Economic Party-Reich Party of the German Middle Class, it targeted the bourgeoisie, a class of people it thought was underrepresented. It was a Conservative party.

DNVP Nationalists-Traditional Conservative Party

NSDAP-National Socialist German Worker’s Party

DVP Deutsche Volkspartei (German People’s Party)-Right-Wing Liberal Party

I started this as a guide, feel free to add detail.
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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:30 pm

Wanted to give the history of these parties (some broke apart before the Hitler’s appointment to Chancellor of Germany, I included some of that above) and include their orientation, either right or left.

SPD:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Social-Democratic-Party-of-Germany

Left-wing, non-revolutionary
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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:03 am

two graphs I made about voting in Weimar:

voting by party
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voting by bloc
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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

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Center Party:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Centre-Party-political-party-Germany

From my readings most German Jews voted for this party.
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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:12 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Center Party:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Centre-Party-political-party-Germany

From my readings most German Jews voted for this party.

fake news, most German Jews by definition voted for the DJBP (die deutsch-jüdisch-bolschewistische Partei).
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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:04 am

I’ll go out on a limb and say we don’t really need a definition for NSDAP.
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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Jeff_36 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:43 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:SPD Majority Socialists-Social Democrats


Socialist but deeply anti-communist. Referred to the KPD as "Red Nazis"

USPD Independent Socialists-Left-Wing Party, broke with the SPD over the support of WWI, it ceased to exist in 1924


Left Wing SJW {!#%@}.

KPD Communists-Second Largest Communist Party in Europe


Closer to the Nazis than most admit. They cooperated closely with them in the Berlin Strike of 1932 IIRC and Karl Radek was openly supportive of them, including their antisemitism.

Center Party-Lay Catholic Party, formed in 1870.


Adenauer's party, and the forerunner of today's CDU. Had a good amount of Jewish support too.


DDP Democrats-Left Liberal Party
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Most Jews supported this party. It was quite nationalist on foreign policy and chafed against the Versailles accord, at least Rathenau did.

NSDAP-National Socialist German Worker’s Party


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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:43 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
KPD Communists-Second Largest Communist Party in Europe

Closer to the Nazis than most admit. They cooperated closely with them in the Berlin Strike of 1932 IIRC and Karl Radek was openly supportive of them, including their antisemitism.

Suggest Beating the Fascists? by Eve Rosenhaft for a different perspective. Mostly the KPD and NSDAP didn't cooperate, the strike of '32 being a point where they did as the Nazis tried to deepen their inroads into working-class neighborhoods. (IIRC the Nazis lost votes in Berlin after the strike.) There were other times the two parties worked side by side - in the Reichstag they voted together, against the government, when it suited both their purposes. Each party tried understanding the other's appeal and how to take supporters from the other. But, with their ideological differences, differing theories of how the world works and what to do about it, and very different social bases, that the two revolutionary parties from time to time cooperated tactically and opportunistically, even as they fought each other bitterly, doesn't make them identical or close in outlook, goals, or makeup.
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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:35 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
KPD Communists-Second Largest Communist Party in Europe

Closer to the Nazis than most admit. They cooperated closely with them in the Berlin Strike of 1932 IIRC and Karl Radek was openly supportive of them, including their antisemitism.

Suggest Beating the Fascists? by Eve Rosenhaft for a different perspective. Mostly the KPD and NSDAP didn't cooperate, the strike of '32 being a point where they did as the Nazis tried to deepen their inroads into working-class neighborhoods. (IIRC the Nazis lost votes in Berlin after the strike.) There were other times the two parties worked side by side - in the Reichstag they voted together, against the government, when it suited both their purposes. Each party tried understanding the other's appeal and how to take supporters from the other. But, with their ideological differences, differing theories of how the world works and what to do about it, and very different social bases, that the two revolutionary parties from time to time cooperated tactically and opportunistically, even as they fought each other bitterly, doesn't make them identical or close in outlook, goals, or makeup.


Aly makes an interesting point that the KPD coopted some of the NSDAP’s message, among other things the nationalist message.

I’ll track that down and post it.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:52 pm

Ok, Aly points out that as the Nazi movement made inroads into the KPD’s membership, the KPD adopted a more “folkish and nationalist” pose. Before the 1930 election the KPD released a statement accusing the SPD of cooperating with the French and working for French interests. The KPD stated that they also worked for the dissolution of the Versailles Treaty to halt the enslavement of the working people of Germany. The KPD promised to declare the provisions of the Versailles Treaty if it gained power (Aly makes an amusing point of German workers wondering why they just didn’t vote for the original after the KPD turned this way).

The KPD also adopted some of the antisemitic tropes of the Nazis (and others) by promising to free the German people from war profiteers and by nationalizing the banks.

See pages 198 and 199.
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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:08 pm

That doesn't seem to do justice to the situation - not really sure what to make of it. IIRC the Comintern okayed a bit of a nationalist turn, which rang hollow, in party tactics in 1930, I think that's right. But the KPD never supported Weimar, of course, and my understanding is that the party from early on (in fact, its antecedents) opposed Versailles, as did the Comintern. I mean, war profiteers and banks were longstanding tropes of the left and the Communists, as crude explanations for war and militarism.
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Re: German Political Parties 1919-1933

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:26 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:That doesn't seem to do justice to the situation - not really sure what to make of it. IIRC the Comintern okayed a bit of a nationalist turn, which rang hollow, in party tactics in 1930, I think that's right. But the KPD never supported Weimar, of course, and my understanding is that the party from early on (in fact, its antecedents) opposed Versailles, as did the Comintern. I mean, war profiteers and banks were longstanding tropes of the left and the Communists, as crude explanations for war and militarism.



I think it was a win win for the KPD, they stood to profit from the destruction of Weimar (at least, they thought they stood to profit without considering the possibility of someone taking their place) and appealing to nationalist sentiment helped win followers. There was also some sincerity in doing so, after, the SPD was composed of Germans.

I think your point is valid, occasionally cooperating on certain issues doesn’t imply or entail any real closeness.
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