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Re: Sonderkommando Marcel Nadjari's diary from Auschwitz

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:05 am

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Denying-History wrote:Really? Those are all frozen over where I and the members are at.


It’s an indoor water park in Grapevine, Texas called “Great Wolf Lodge.” We try and take the kids once a year.


When it's cold so they beg you not to take them back... :lol:



I actually enjoy it too, I’ve mentioned my solution to middle age is to act like I’m 12 for as long as I can...... :D
A joke going around Moscow during The Great Terror:

The NKVD knocks on a door.
The inhabitants ask who it is.
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Re: Sonderkommando Marcel Nadjari's diary from Auschwitz

Post by Sergey_Romanov » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:45 am

Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:
Sergey_Romanov wrote:3000/200=merely 15 persons per square meter. With some trying, and provided there were lots of children, one could fit even more (like 4000) in there.
Didn't mean they did, bit there really is no problem.


Wasn't there an experiment or something by a denier (or 'doubter', can't recall) who used his kids and constructed kind of small booths, filling one of them with his family and friends, and finally admitting that his doubts were with no base at all?

I'm sure members of the forum here know this story, just can't know how to search for it, I don't remember names etc. He was in the beginning like 'no way 700 people inside this and that', and he end up like 'of course it's possible 700 people' etc.

Does anyone remember it?
I put it online :)

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Re: Sonderkommando Marcel Nadjari's diary from Auschwitz

Post by Sergey_Romanov » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:48 am

Denying-History wrote:Remembering that some 0.3 million children died at Auschwitz it seems unlikely such high figures were common.

Sure, but that only means that 3000 is a reasonable number, and not 4000.

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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:52 pm

This must be fascinating for some, especially techies:

- How we recover text from manuscript found in the 80’s near the crematorium 3 in Auschwitz-Birkenau


- Marcel Nadjary recovering, 23/07/2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsZDs-CK79s

PS: Have you heard of the disaster today in Greece? Three-days national mourning, God.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... n-12970023
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Denial
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:05 pm

Welcome back, Kleon. Don’t be a stranger.
A joke going around Moscow during The Great Terror:

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The inhabitants ask who it is.
“NKVD.”
“You’ve got the wrong apartment. The Communists are upstairs.”

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Re: Sonderkommando Marcel Nadjari's diary from Auschwitz

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:38 pm

Yes, I've been following the news from Greece. Terribly sad. Sweden, where I am headed, is almost literally on fire, but no tragedies as in Greece.

What Jeffk said x2!
"It was still at the stage of clubs and fists, hurrah, tala"

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:58 pm

fascinating video, Kleon, thanks
"It was still at the stage of clubs and fists, hurrah, tala"

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Post by Balsamo » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:23 am

Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:This must be fascinating for some, especially techies:

- How we recover text from manuscript found in the 80’s near the crematorium 3 in Auschwitz-Birkenau


- Marcel Nadjary recovering, 23/07/2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsZDs-CK79s

PS: Have you heard of the disaster today in Greece? Three-days national mourning, God.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... n-12970023
Amazing video...incredible what technology can do nowadays.

And unfortunately, yes...I have heard about the disasters...what is the death toll now, 74 ? there is just no words actually...Portugal was hit the same way. Was it last year or two years ago, i cannot even tell...One of my best friend and my goddaughter were living in the aera...I remember too well how selfish i felt because they were safe while so many people did not have that chance. I have saw on French TV that the village of MATI has just been wiped out by the fire...Again no word, so sorry.

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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:25 am

Balsamo wrote: And unfortunately, yes...I have heard about the disasters...what is the death toll now, 74 ? there is just no words actually...Portugal was hit the same way. Was it last year or two years ago, i cannot even tell...One of my best friend and my goddaughter were living in the aera...I remember too well how selfish i felt because they were safe while so many people did not have that chance. I have saw on French TV that the village of MATI has just been wiped out by the fire...Again no word, so sorry.
Yes, 77 and counting, plus 40 (or we don't know) missing. Not all burnt houses have been searched for dead bodies. People were found hugged to death. And there's this heart-breaking story of these 9 years old twin girls gone missing. They were been seen in some TV footage, then disappeared again.
https://goo.gl/TDB9jo

The only good thing is thanks to social and digital media, people can find their relatives somehow more easily.

- An open digital database for missing fire disasters has been on the internet for the last few hours.
https://goo.gl/88JMEQ

https://missingpeople.audax.gr/

[UPDATE: 79 dead]

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:38 am

"It was still at the stage of clubs and fists, hurrah, tala"

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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:07 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:On "Panagiotis Heliotis"
Sure, he went by the screen name 'Talos', he made a stupid bad awful pdf once (probably the same alleged 'book' he sells in Lulu service):


... and me and my team made his funeral on-line in several occasions.

For example, people of my team ridiculed him in Greek, of course two years ago:
http://ellinikahoaxes.gr/2016/07/12/mic ... holocaust/

Just a dumb stupid kid with 25 years old same denial tropes all over again. Hans made him famous, good job by the HC blog, so I helped a little (in Greek too, sorry):
According to experts and scholars, the 10 stages of every genocide are
Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination
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Denial
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:23 pm

I was hoping you'd comment on this, Kleon, thanks! I figured you would know this goober.
"It was still at the stage of clubs and fists, hurrah, tala"

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Post by montgomery » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:53 pm

iwh wrote:Sort of reminds me of the "How many sweets in the jar" game. People have great difficulty estimating amounts and sizes. It doesn't mean that the jar never existed if the estimation of the amount of sweets inside was way out!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... arofsweets
The number of sweets in a jar can be determined by taking the average of all the guesses. The more guesses, the more accurate the estimate will get.

There's no reason why that wouldn't work for a crowd of people.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:04 pm

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iwh wrote:Sort of reminds me of the "How many sweets in the jar" game. People have great difficulty estimating amounts and sizes. It doesn't mean that the jar never existed if the estimation of the amount of sweets inside was way out!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... arofsweets
The number of sweets in a jar can be determined by taking the average of all the guesses. The more guesses, the more accurate the estimate will get.

There's no reason why that wouldn't work for a crowd of people.
Welcome to the forum.
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The NKVD knocks on a door.
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“NKVD.”
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Post by Denying-History » Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:50 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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iwh wrote:Sort of reminds me of the "How many sweets in the jar" game. People have great difficulty estimating amounts and sizes. It doesn't mean that the jar never existed if the estimation of the amount of sweets inside was way out!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... arofsweets
The number of sweets in a jar can be determined by taking the average of all the guesses. The more guesses, the more accurate the estimate will get.

There's no reason why that wouldn't work for a crowd of people.
Welcome to the forum.
Lol how does he not realize the main issue with that method?
« The Terror here is a horrifying fact. There is a fear that reaches down and haunts all sections of the community. No household, however humble, apparently but what lives in constant fear of nocturnal raid by the secret police. . .This particular purge is undoubtedly political. . . It is deliberately projected by the party leaders, who themselves regretted the necessity for it. »
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Re: Sonderkommando Marcel Nadjari's diary from Auschwitz

Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:03 am

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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iwh wrote:Sort of reminds me of the "How many sweets in the jar" game. People have great difficulty estimating amounts and sizes. It doesn't mean that the jar never existed if the estimation of the amount of sweets inside was way out!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... arofsweets
The number of sweets in a jar can be determined by taking the average of all the guesses. The more guesses, the more accurate the estimate will get.

There's no reason why that wouldn't work for a crowd of people.
Welcome to the forum.
Lol how does he not realize the main issue with that method?
After this I'm hoping Hunt comes back for another go at Majdanek.

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Re: Sonderkommando Marcel Nadjari's diary from Auschwitz

Post by montgomery » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:50 pm

https://medium.com/@alexufo/how-we-reco ... f20526b249

An interesting story but sadly there's a lot lost in the poor job of translation to English. For example:
On April 2, 1944, in Athens, Marcel Nadjary with a group of other Greek Jews was pushed into a train going in an unknown direction. Stolen earlier the parents and sister could be in the end of the route, so Marcel, though as a partisan, are still not wanted to escape from the trains .
And there are numerous other examples of poorly done translation. Is there anyone on this thread who is interested in clarifying some or all of those?

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Re: Sonderkommando Marcel Nadjari's diary from Auschwitz

Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:56 am

montgomery wrote:https://medium.com/@alexufo/how-we-reco ... f20526b249

An interesting story but sadly there's a lot lost in the poor job of translation to English. For example:
On April 2, 1944, in Athens, Marcel Nadjary with a group of other Greek Jews was pushed into a train going in an unknown direction. Stolen earlier the parents and sister could be in the end of the route, so Marcel, though as a partisan, are still not wanted to escape from the trains .
And there are numerous other examples of poorly done translation. Is there anyone on this thread who is interested in clarifying some or all of those?
You seriously can't work out what that quoted blurb means without a literal translation?

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