The 1939 World Jewish Almanac revision

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The 1939 World Jewish Almanac revision

Postby Aaron Richards » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:59 pm

I quote from Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... ust_denial
The underlined part is what I am interested in.
Jewish population

One Holocaust denial argument is the comparison of the population of Jews before and after the Holocaust. They state that the 1940 World Almanac gives the world Jewish population as 15,319,359, while the 1948 World Almanac gives the world Jewish population as 15,713,638. They therefore claim that either the figures are wrong, or the Holocaust, meaning the deaths of millions of Jews, cannot have happened to any extent similar to the claimed 6 million.

Ken McVay writes:

Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for various other population estimates given by the World Almanac. The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491. In 1949, however, the World Almanac gives a revised 1939 population of 16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520. Where the extra population between 1938 and 1939 came from is not cited, though one might speculate that it was based upon the Nazi estimates made in 1942 for the Wannsee Conference. Despite the apparent exactness of the numbers listed, the World Almanac warns that all numbers listed are estimates.[94]

Other sources confirm similar numbers—and earlier than the 1949 World Almanac—for the Jewish population before and after the war. The 1932 American Jewish Yearbook estimate the total number of Jews in the world at 15,192,218, of whom 9,418,248 resided in Europe. However, the 1947 yearbook states: "Estimates of the world Jewish population have been assembled by the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (except for the United States and Canada) and are probably the most authentic available at the present time. The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews. In Europe only an estimated 3,642,000 remain of the total Jewish pre-war population of approximately 9,740,000." These numbers are also consistent with the findings of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Appendix III, in 1946.

1938 : 15,748,091 (AJC), page 510
1939 : uses 1938 data
1949 AJC revision for 1939 : 16,643,120, page 204

Does anyone have more info as to by what methodology the AJC decided to revise the 1939 pre-war Almanac figure by about 1 million? The answer cannot just be "They based it on the Wansee Conference Nazi estimation of upto 11 million Jews in Europe", can it? There has to be a more precise explanation.
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Re: The 1939 World Jewish Almanac revision

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:45 am

Don’t know.
I know it’s a hoary old denier meme that’s been thoroughly debunked.

My feeling on this is that was hard to be precise and revisions were made once more info was known.

Deniers play the numbers game while ignoring the simple fact that numbers are never that precise.

I like to use the fact that numbers detailing the number of German civilian dead from allied bombing fluctuates from about 450,000-600,000.

The same exists for the total number of dead from WW II, I’ve seen lows of around 50,000,000-60,000,000.

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Re: The 1939 World Jewish Almanac revision

Postby Denying-History » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:53 am

No, it makes little sense that they based it on Wansee, considering this used a different definition of who was Jewish.
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Re: The 1939 World Jewish Almanac revision

Postby Denying-History » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:01 am

No, it makes little sense that they based it on Wansee, considering this used a different definition of who was Jewish.

Here is the pages from the Almanac if anyone is interested in comparing figures:

http://fathersmanifesto.net/jews/1949WorldAlmanacJewsMissing.pdf

The same number was published by the American Jewish Congress in 1946 (correct me If I am wrong) which seems to be the source from my understanding:

http://ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1946_1947_13_Statistics.pdf

But I may be wrong on the publication date by the AJC, I never personally found out when this study was published. Take It with a grain of salt.
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Re: The 1939 World Jewish Almanac revision

Postby blake121666 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:26 am

Here's the page from my 1948 World Almanac. It says that its data is from 1938 AJC data and it claims that the world Jewish population was 15,688,259 in 1939 - which is slightly different than listed in the OP.

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EDIT: The link to my picture stopped working for me using https - changed to http.
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Re: The 1939 World Jewish Almanac revision

Postby iwh » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:21 pm

Some nice documents here. Been looking for this info for ages.

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Re: The 1939 World Jewish Almanac revision

Postby Denying-History » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:40 pm

iwh wrote:Some nice documents here. Been looking for this info for ages.

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Which one?
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Re: The 1939 World Jewish Almanac revision

Postby iwh » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:35 pm

Yours and, believe it or not, the page posted by a certain Mr Blake. Most Deniers out there tend to chop off the bit that states what the pre 1948 figures are based on.
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