The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:53 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote: Can you write a sentence.....without doing that?

is just silly. You "objectively speaking" have thrown yourself off the subject.

Just look.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:07 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: Can you write a sentence.....without doing that?
is just silly. You "objectively speaking" have thrown yourself off the subject.


No, you threw me off the subject with your jibber-jabber.

Just look.


At what?

Learn how to present your self more intelligently.


Take your own advice.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:11 pm

Just look. At whats right in front of you. Your own life. Your own thoughts. Maybe, squint with one eye. See what works.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Just look. At whats right in front of you. Your own life. Your own thoughts. Maybe, squint with one eye. See what works.



What works is me having you on ignore. That’s where you will stay.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:52 pm

Heh, heh. The Ostrich Defense..........and if you close your eyes, I disappear. .................Oh.............noooooooooo.

childish to take an opportunity to learn and improve one's self as an insult.

But, that how it goes in the HD subforum.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:16 am

FTL:
Israel has remained defiant amid criticism of its use of force, saying at least 10 of the 31 people shot dead over the past week are known militants.
Hmmm....I doubt they were "known" as such prior to them being shot...to whatever difference that makes.

and yet..........==>

The Israeli military had dropped leaflets in the lead-up to the protest instructing Palestinians to stay at least 300 meters (328 yards) away from the fence and warning live ammunition would be used.
So....I assume those shot were within those 300 meters?

Protesters v Armed Troops. I wouldn't risk my life for a mere "protest."....and reporting on it strikes me as a useless exercise. As usual: more questions than answers....such is the reportage commonly seen today.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon May 14, 2018 4:53 pm

Only Thud can fix it:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/14/politics/jerusalem-us-embassy-trump-intl/index.html

So, I guess the expectation is that the Palestinians would simply accept this without protest.

All of this blood is on Trump’s tiny hands.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon May 14, 2018 5:01 pm

The good thing is he saved money....on the front end. He’ll ignore the fact that inevitably more money will be spent.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/12/politics/trump-jerusalem-embassy-cost/index.html
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 14, 2018 5:18 pm

The Palestinians protest/riot/revolt and are shot by Israelis......so the blood is on Trump???

What percent?
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed May 16, 2018 3:51 am

I just posted this in the Trump thread, it also belongs here.

This is a shift:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/politics/democrats-views-on-israel-shifting/index.html

I struggle with this issue. I have no objections to Israel or it’s existence. But I also advocate a two-state solution. I opposed the move of the embassy to Jerusalem, I knew what that would mean in spreading unrest in the region.

I also understand that the Palestinians have inflicted damage upon themselves. That in no way justifies the deaths of those Palestinians in Gaza. I also look with trepidation with the drift to the right in Israeli politics.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed May 16, 2018 6:51 am

Ha, ha........poor Jeffk. Can't tell {!#%@} from shinola. What you have to do is "pick a side" or understand the controlling reality and recognize it comes with CONSEQUENCES that can't be avoided.

"I have no objections to Israel or it’s existence. But I also advocate a two-state solution." ///// Well.....you can't have both. "I want my cake, but I don't want the calories" says every overweight bozo on Earth.


"I also understand that the Palestinians have inflicted damage upon themselves. That in no way justifies the deaths of those Palestinians in Gaza." //// Of course it does. The calories othewise is to let them walk into Israel and take their land back.

Stupid sloppy thinking. ==> Its what leads to War. Everyone denying the reality of the forces at play and talking out of both sides of their mouth. Moving the embassy of course will be used as justification for whatever people think gives them an advantage...........but..........its "reality."

History hoses a lot of people and their dreams. This causes lots of people to make their own lives more miserable than they need to be....... looking at the past and what will never be...... rather than dealing with reality. Its the rule rather than the exception.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Thu May 17, 2018 1:34 pm

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

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And?
I am seeing this more.

Here’s what I want to know:

Were they armed? Were they threatening Israeli soldiers at that time? Was the use of deadly force necessary?

I’m not going to shed tears over members of a terrorist organization that tried to kill or injure Israeli soldiers.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Thu May 17, 2018 2:45 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:



And?
I am seeing this more.

Here’s what I want to know:

Were they armed? Were they threatening Israeli soldiers at that time? Was the use of deadly force necessary?

I’m not going to shed tears over members of a terrorist organization that tried to kill or injure Israeli soldiers.


They are a threat to Israel by simply being Hamas members.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 17, 2018 2:57 pm

Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:



And?
I am seeing this more.

Here’s what I want to know:

Were they armed? Were they threatening Israeli soldiers at that time? Was the use of deadly force necessary?

I’m not going to shed tears over members of a terrorist organization that tried to kill or injure Israeli soldiers.


They are a threat to Israel by simply being Hamas members.


The Nazis thought all Jews were a threat by simply being Jews.

See how dangerous that thinking is?
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu May 17, 2018 3:36 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote: The Nazis thought all Jews were a threat by simply being Jews.

See how dangerous that thinking is?

Not if you think past your first knee jerk reaction. Ahem:

Hamas: a political/advocacy group formed for the express purpose to remove Israel from the map.

Jews in Pre-War Europe: a diverse mix of people with no other commonality except some connection to a religion.

See the difference?
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 17, 2018 4:30 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote: The Nazis thought all Jews were a threat by simply being Jews.

See how dangerous that thinking is?

Not if you think past your first knee jerk reaction. Ahem:

Hamas: a political/advocacy group formed for the express purpose to remove Israel from the map.

Jews in Pre-War Europe: a diverse mix of people with no other commonality except some connection to a religion.

See the difference?


I really don’t know why you are quoting me. I have you on ignore and that will continue.

But.......

The issue is saying that being a member of Hamas is enough to justify killing them. The equivalent is saying that every person who served in the SS or Waffen-SS deserves to be prosecuted for a crime. The point is being a member of an organization doesn’t automatically make you guilty of something. There are a lot of reasons why people join political organizations and you acknowledge that Hamas is also a political organization.

If I’m a disaffected Palestinian pissed off at Israel then Hamas (or other organizations) look attractive to me. That doesn’t mean that I’m going to shoot at Israeli soldiers or bomb children.

Also, this is very unclear....the stories I read about the alleged dead Hamas members comes from a single source. I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m saying I want more information.

Now piss off.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu May 17, 2018 5:43 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote: The Nazis thought all Jews were a threat by simply being Jews.

See how dangerous that thinking is?

Not if you think past your first knee jerk reaction. Ahem:

Hamas: a political/advocacy group formed for the express purpose to remove Israel from the map.

Jews in Pre-War Europe: a diverse mix of people with no other commonality except some connection to a religion.

See the difference?


I really don’t know why you are quoting me.
/// Because those words contain the idea I wish to comment on. YOU are not the only reader on this forum. With no response from you (?), many passing by will think you have no case to make. 50% of the time when you do respond, you only prove it rather than invite the assumption.

I have you on ignore and that will continue.
That doesn't affect me at all........just you, and your ilk.

But.......
But me no buts. On edit for your future book, anything before a but should be deleted. It might clear up your thinking too.
The issue is saying that being a member of Hamas is enough to justify killing them. The equivalent is saying that every person who served in the SS or Waffen-SS deserves to be prosecuted for a crime.
No...read again until you realize that is the very point I am making. People have to join the Hamas and Nazis....the Jews are just a group. HUGE difference.

The point is being a member of an organization doesn’t automatically make you guilty of something
. Yes, it does. Guilty of joining that group and by reasonable assumption sharing the tenents and stated goals of such organizations. If you don't, you joined the wrong group.

There are a lot of reasons why people join political organizations and you acknowledge that Hamas is also a political organization.
/// You sound just like Trump now (as Ironically you so often do). There are some good American Nazi's.

If I’m a disaffected Palestinian pissed off at Israel then Hamas (or other organizations) look attractive to me.
Yes, that is exactly the point.

That doesn’t mean that I’m going to shoot at Israeli soldiers or bomb children
. Correct, you just give aid and comfort to those who do.

Also, this is very unclear....the stories I read about the alleged dead Hamas members comes from a single source. I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m saying I want more information.
Get a double helping.

Now piss off.
forever why? Can't take an honest response?? Read and learn.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 17, 2018 5:47 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote: The Nazis thought all Jews were a threat by simply being Jews.

See how dangerous that thinking is?

Not if you think past your first knee jerk reaction. Ahem:

Hamas: a political/advocacy group formed for the express purpose to remove Israel from the map.

Jews in Pre-War Europe: a diverse mix of people with no other commonality except some connection to a religion.

See the difference?


I really don’t know why you are quoting me.
/// Because those words contain the idea I wish to comment on. YOU are not the only reader on this forum. With no response from you (?), many passing by will think you have no case to make. 50% of the time when you do respond, you only prove it rather than invite the assumption.

I have you on ignore and that will continue.
That doesn't affect me at all........just you, and your ilk.

But.......
But me no buts. On edit for your future book, anything before a but should be deleted. It might clear up your thinking too.
The issue is saying that being a member of Hamas is enough to justify killing them. The equivalent is saying that every person who served in the SS or Waffen-SS deserves to be prosecuted for a crime.
No...read again until you realize that is the very point I am making. People have to join the Hamas and Nazis....the Jews are just a group. HUGE difference.

The point is being a member of an organization doesn’t automatically make you guilty of something
. Yes, it does. Guilty of joining that group and by reasonable assumption sharing the tenents and stated goals of such organizations. If you don't, you joined the wrong group.

There are a lot of reasons why people join political organizations and you acknowledge that Hamas is also a political organization.
/// You sound just like Trump now (as Ironically you so often do). There are some good American Nazi's.

If I’m a disaffected Palestinian pissed off at Israel then Hamas (or other organizations) look attractive to me.
Yes, that is exactly the point.

That doesn’t mean that I’m going to shoot at Israeli soldiers or bomb children
. Correct, you just give aid and comfort to those who do.

Also, this is very unclear....the stories I read about the alleged dead Hamas members comes from a single source. I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m saying I want more information.
Get a double helping.

Now piss off.
forever why? Can't take an honest response?? Read and learn.



You did a really crappy job replying to me. Learn how to edit so it’s easier to read, you messed up your quotes. I’m preserving it for posterity.

Piss off X2.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 17, 2018 5:48 pm

As an aside, I enjoy being called an ilk.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu May 17, 2018 5:49 pm

Not that hard to cipher. did make a minor correct that we may have criss-crossed.

Don't worry JeffK..........your insults mean nothing. One day, you may grow up enough to appreciate why.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 17, 2018 5:52 pm

Wow, bobbo is still here.

Someone must really need some attention. Too bad I still have him on ignore and didn’t bother to read his post.
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ilk: A kind of person /// Fittingly, also a group one has to choose to join.
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Ha, ha..........it just occurred to me. I also have everyone on ignore, but I respond to all replies as I notice them. People ignore different things.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Thu May 17, 2018 8:36 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:



And?
I am seeing this more.

Here’s what I want to know:

Were they armed? Were they threatening Israeli soldiers at that time? Was the use of deadly force necessary?

I’m not going to shed tears over members of a terrorist organization that tried to kill or injure Israeli soldiers.


They are a threat to Israel by simply being Hamas members.


The Nazis thought all Jews were a threat by simply being Jews.

See how dangerous that thinking is?


Well yeah, it's dangerous when you do this to an entire ethnic group consiting of millions.
My grandafther who fought against the nazis used to say that if every time when he was about to shoot an enemy soldier he would start thinking about wether this enemy soldier is an ACTUAL nazi fascist or just a poor soul forced into battle by the regime, he would have probably died in June 1941.
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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri May 25, 2018 1:08 pm

This is just wrong:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/israel-boycott-local-councils-public-bodies-and-student-unions-to-be-banned-from-shunning-israeli-a6874006.html

I find this extremely disturbing, why should anyone be forced to buy goods from a regime it considers distasteful?
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Postby Srebrenica » Fri May 25, 2018 6:26 pm

Hey Jeff - long time - yes I am - can't respond to your PM for some reason :-)

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Srebrenica wrote:Hey Jeff - long time - yes I am - can't respond to your PM for some reason :-)


Nice to have you here!!!!
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Postby Tallboy » Fri May 25, 2018 7:10 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:This is just wrong:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/israel-boycott-local-councils-public-bodies-and-student-unions-to-be-banned-from-shunning-israeli-a6874006.html

I find this extremely disturbing, why should anyone be forced to buy goods from a regime it considers distasteful?


Hi Jeff-- I think this article, at least from a US perspective, explains this:
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an ... s-fund-bds

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Re: The History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri May 25, 2018 7:25 pm

Tallboy wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:This is just wrong:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/israel-boycott-local-councils-public-bodies-and-student-unions-to-be-banned-from-shunning-israeli-a6874006.html

I find this extremely disturbing, why should anyone be forced to buy goods from a regime it considers distasteful?


Hi Jeff-- I think this article, at least from a US perspective, explains this:
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an ... s-fund-bds

Best,
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