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Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Aaron Richards » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:30 pm

Especially when we consider the passing of Bradley Smith last year, is this a grim reminder that, contrary to certain folks' delusions akin to "people are waking up", holocaust revisionism has been dying a slow and painful death since its days of glory in the 1980s?

Looking at all the "content creators" out there, the big fish are old guys withering away. The promising young ones have all jumped ship (Cole, Hunt,...) and, given that I dabble in right-wing circles, after I have also begun to notice their increasing paranoia that big companies are taking more measures to limit free speech on social media like Youtube, I feel like this is another timely reminder to our revisionist friends that their hopes and dreams of "the tide turning" are nothing but a cry of desperation that their grand undertaking is bearing no fruit except the obvious "preaching to the choir" that occurs in their little forums.
"...we had the duty towards our Volk (the German people) to kill this Volk (the Jewish people) that wanted to kill us." - Himmler in his 1943 Posen speech reminding any future holocaust denier how absurd their beliefs really are.
I compile rebuttals to popular holocaust denier canards here: http://imgur.com/a/725A7

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:55 pm

The serious "researchers" are all going the way of the dodo. Zundel was nothing more than a publisher, really. The denier crowd adopted him as a martyr because of his very public Trials.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:03 pm

Well, to be fair Zundel did co-write "The Hitler We Loved and Why." That is just touching.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:05 pm

Aaron, we did talk about Zundel's death in this thread:

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=26184

This will make my 5,000 post!!!!! Woo hoo!!!!
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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:19 pm

Welcome to the club! (The "club" :scratch:)

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Denying-History » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:51 pm

Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?
« Oral history is a complex field. After all, memory can be a distorting mirror, as anyone who has ever worked with memoir literature knows very well...They may be imperfect, and, at times, inaccurate as the narrator tries to cast himself in the most favorable light, but all sources are imperfect. Even an archival document reflects how the person who drafted it understood something and remains something less than the unvarnished truth. »
- James Mace

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:21 pm

Denying-History wrote:Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?


[EDIT: I got the question wrong, the other way around, if anyone read Nizkor's against Zundel, but I'm leaving it, never mind, it happens] :)

In fact, I am suggesting it a lot to newcomers Greeks, since Holocaust Denial in my country is kind of primitive, and it gets the most 'Thank you, very good' from any other of my suggestions (which are these, not in any particular order:)

- Debunking Holocaust Denial | Holocaust Denial on Trial
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/

- The Holocaust History Project: Questions and Answers - holocaust-history.org
http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust- ... index.html

- 66 Questions & Answers About the Holocaust - Nizkor's response to the Institute for Historical Review & Ernst Zundel
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how ... ust-denial
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html
http://www.nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

- Holocaust Research Project - H.E.A.R.T. - Table Of Contents
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/toc.html

- The Holocaust: 36 Questions & Answers About the Holocaust by The Simon Wiesenthal Center
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... /36qs.html

- Responses to Revisionist Arguments - Simon Wiesenthal Center Multimedia Learning Center
https://archive.is/6sO5
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp ... G&b=394667

- Is the Holocaust real? Unfortunately, yes
http://www.istheholocaustreal.com/

- Auschwitz - ARC The Genuine Action Reinhard Camps Website
http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/auschwitz.html

Extended versions, the real thing:

- Holocaust Documents - 240 images
http://imgur.com/gallery/725A7

- World Jewish Conspiracy theories from past to present - Album on Imgur
http://imgur.com/gallery/on1l8

>>> Sergey Romanov, Rebutting the "Twitter denial": the most popular denier memes debunked, Holocaust Controversies, 21/05/2017
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... pular.html

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According to experts and scholars, the 10 stages of every genocide are
Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination
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Denial
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html

XYZ Contagion (‘Because the truth is contagious‘), an investigative/research political and historical website, deals also with the Srebrenica Genocide
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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:24 pm

Denying-History wrote:Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?


Oh, no, I got your question wrong, the other way around.
Never mind :)

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:28 pm

Denying-History wrote:Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?


I never did. Nizkor's answers worked for me.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:29 pm

Zundel is still dead.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:30 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Welcome to the club! (The "club" :scratch:)



LOL I want to get to the "has no life" club.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:32 pm

No, you don't. LOL
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:36 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Zundel is still dead.


https://youtu.be/BvHC2q6Bn-w

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby NathanC » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:06 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Denying-History wrote:Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?


I never did. Nizkor's answers worked for me.


My main takeaway from Zundel's "refutation" was his lie about Witnesses never being cross examined until the Zundel trial. I'm not going to let that slide anytime soon.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeff_36 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:37 am

cheers! :)

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:00 am

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


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