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Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Aaron Richards » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:30 pm

Especially when we consider the passing of Bradley Smith last year, is this a grim reminder that, contrary to certain folks' delusions akin to "people are waking up", holocaust revisionism has been dying a slow and painful death since its days of glory in the 1980s?

Looking at all the "content creators" out there, the big fish are old guys withering away. The promising young ones have all jumped ship (Cole, Hunt,...) and, given that I dabble in right-wing circles, after I have also begun to notice their increasing paranoia that big companies are taking more measures to limit free speech on social media like Youtube, I feel like this is another timely reminder to our revisionist friends that their hopes and dreams of "the tide turning" are nothing but a cry of desperation that their grand undertaking is bearing no fruit except the obvious "preaching to the choir" that occurs in their little forums.
"...we had the duty towards our Volk (the German people) to kill this Volk (the Jewish people) that wanted to kill us." - Himmler in his 1943 Posen speech reminding any future holocaust denier how absurd their beliefs really are.
I compile rebuttals to popular holocaust denier canards here: http://imgur.com/a/725A7

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:55 pm

The serious "researchers" are all going the way of the dodo. Zundel was nothing more than a publisher, really. The denier crowd adopted him as a martyr because of his very public Trials.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:03 pm

Well, to be fair Zundel did co-write "The Hitler We Loved and Why." That is just touching.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:05 pm

Aaron, we did talk about Zundel's death in this thread:

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=26184

This will make my 5,000 post!!!!! Woo hoo!!!!
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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:19 pm

Welcome to the club! (The "club" :scratch:)

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Postby Denying-History » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:51 pm

Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?
« Oral history is a complex field. After all, memory can be a distorting mirror, as anyone who has ever worked with memoir literature knows very well...They may be imperfect, and, at times, inaccurate as the narrator tries to cast himself in the most favorable light, but all sources are imperfect. Even an archival document reflects how the person who drafted it understood something and remains something less than the unvarnished truth. »
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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:21 pm

Denying-History wrote:Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?


[EDIT: I got the question wrong, the other way around, if anyone read Nizkor's against Zundel, but I'm leaving it, never mind, it happens] :)

In fact, I am suggesting it a lot to newcomers Greeks, since Holocaust Denial in my country is kind of primitive, and it gets the most 'Thank you, very good' from any other of my suggestions (which are these, not in any particular order:)

- Debunking Holocaust Denial | Holocaust Denial on Trial
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/

- The Holocaust History Project: Questions and Answers - holocaust-history.org
http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust- ... index.html

- 66 Questions & Answers About the Holocaust - Nizkor's response to the Institute for Historical Review & Ernst Zundel
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how ... ust-denial
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html
http://www.nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

- Holocaust Research Project - H.E.A.R.T. - Table Of Contents
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/toc.html

- The Holocaust: 36 Questions & Answers About the Holocaust by The Simon Wiesenthal Center
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... /36qs.html

- Responses to Revisionist Arguments - Simon Wiesenthal Center Multimedia Learning Center
https://archive.is/6sO5
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp ... G&b=394667

- Is the Holocaust real? Unfortunately, yes
http://www.istheholocaustreal.com/

- Auschwitz - ARC The Genuine Action Reinhard Camps Website
http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/auschwitz.html

Extended versions, the real thing:

- Holocaust Documents - 240 images
http://imgur.com/gallery/725A7

- World Jewish Conspiracy theories from past to present - Album on Imgur
http://imgur.com/gallery/on1l8

>>> Sergey Romanov, Rebutting the "Twitter denial": the most popular denier memes debunked, Holocaust Controversies, 21/05/2017
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... pular.html

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According to experts and scholars, the 10 stages of every genocide are
Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination
... and finally the 10th stage:
Denial
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html

XYZ Contagion (‘Because the truth is contagious‘), an investigative/research political and historical website, deals also with the Srebrenica Genocide
https://xyzcontagion.wordpress.com/about/#English

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:24 pm

Denying-History wrote:Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?


Oh, no, I got your question wrong, the other way around.
Never mind :)

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:28 pm

Denying-History wrote:Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?


I never did. Nizkor's answers worked for me.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:29 pm

Zundel is still dead.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:30 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Welcome to the club! (The "club" :scratch:)



LOL I want to get to the "has no life" club.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:32 pm

No, you don't. LOL
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:36 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Zundel is still dead.


https://youtu.be/BvHC2q6Bn-w

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Postby NathanC » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:06 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Denying-History wrote:Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?


I never did. Nizkor's answers worked for me.


My main takeaway from Zundel's "refutation" was his lie about Witnesses never being cross examined until the Zundel trial. I'm not going to let that slide anytime soon.

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Postby Jeff_36 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:37 am

cheers! :)

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:00 am

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Sergey_Romanov » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:00 am

Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:
Denying-History wrote:Anyone ever bother to read Zundels refutation to Nizkors 66 questions and answers?


[EDIT: I got the question wrong, the other way around, if anyone read Nizkor's against Zundel, but I'm leaving it, never mind, it happens] :)

In fact, I am suggesting it a lot to newcomers Greeks, since Holocaust Denial in my country is kind of primitive, and it gets the most 'Thank you, very good' from any other of my suggestions (which are these, not in any particular order:)

- Debunking Holocaust Denial | Holocaust Denial on Trial
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/

- The Holocaust History Project: Questions and Answers - holocaust-history.org
http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust- ... index.html

- 66 Questions & Answers About the Holocaust - Nizkor's response to the Institute for Historical Review & Ernst Zundel
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how ... ust-denial
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html
http://www.nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

- Holocaust Research Project - H.E.A.R.T. - Table Of Contents
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/toc.html

- The Holocaust: 36 Questions & Answers About the Holocaust by The Simon Wiesenthal Center
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... /36qs.html

- Responses to Revisionist Arguments - Simon Wiesenthal Center Multimedia Learning Center
https://archive.is/6sO5
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp ... G&b=394667

- Is the Holocaust real? Unfortunately, yes
http://www.istheholocaustreal.com/

- Auschwitz - ARC The Genuine Action Reinhard Camps Website
http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/auschwitz.html

Extended versions, the real thing:

- Holocaust Documents - 240 images
http://imgur.com/gallery/725A7

- World Jewish Conspiracy theories from past to present - Album on Imgur
http://imgur.com/gallery/on1l8

>>> Sergey Romanov, Rebutting the "Twitter denial": the most popular denier memes debunked, Holocaust Controversies, 21/05/2017
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... pular.html


The problem with including the websites run by the psychos (Webb and Lisciotto) aside from the moral problem of recommending anything by serial harassers, stalkers and defamers, is that you never know if they, once again, included some neo-Nazi fakes among the genuine materials, as happened in 2006; plus their research is generally pretty abysmal.

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:41 pm

Sergey_Romanov wrote:The problem with including the websites run by the psychos (Webb and Lisciotto) aside from the moral problem of recommending anything by serial harassers, stalkers and defamers, is that you never know if they, once again, included some neo-Nazi fakes among the genuine materials, as happened in 2006; plus their research is generally pretty abysmal.


Thanks for noticing it. 'ARC/HEART' in that list was probably a copy/paste a mistake, thanks (and I never studied them with a system, just by chance).
According to experts and scholars, the 10 stages of every genocide are
Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination
... and finally the 10th stage:
Denial
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html

XYZ Contagion (‘Because the truth is contagious‘), an investigative/research political and historical website, deals also with the Srebrenica Genocide
https://xyzcontagion.wordpress.com/about/#English

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:15 pm

I didn't know all these:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ching.html

I've seen some junk blogs like 'Sergey Watch' and 'Terry Watch' and blogs made only for insults etc. What's their problem with this, if it's not too long to tell?

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Postby Sergey_Romanov » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:01 pm

Webb got snookered by some apparent neo-Nazi (we don't know the identity, but his mug is apparently on the fake photos, see holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/on-demise-of-deathcampsorg-how-fakes.html ) into posting some fakes onto the deathcamps site. That some of the things were fake was already known by the old team, I discovered some new stuff, brought it to everyone's attention, there was a schism, and Webb, instead of admitting his mistakes, tried to oust me, Roberto and Nick. Michael Peters, the actual founder of the website, took it down temporarily, but since he is from Germany and didn't want his address be made public (as dictated by the German law), the domain name was registered to Webb, so in the end he had "the last word" and stole all the material.

He also turned to Carmelo Lisciotto from Chicago, a former ARC member who had been kicked out for being an {!#%@} (and who had been known as a notorious and toxic Usenet troll in the 1990s), and they together began a campaign of defamation, including defacing the old ARC website with libel about me, Roberto and Nick and creating dozens of fake blogs, and even a whole forum (since deleted) where a dozen or so of Lisciotto's various "personalities" posted a smear upon a smear. Their anti-HC activity has calmed down a bit since then, but that doesn't mean that they don't belong in a prison or a nuthouse.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:29 pm

I'm very careful about what I use from ARC and HEART, especially the latter. I only use things that are confirmed through other sources.

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Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:I didn't know all these:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ching.html

I've seen some junk blogs like 'Sergey Watch' and 'Terry Watch' and blogs made only for insults etc. What's their problem with this, if it's not too long to tell?


Well if you are interested in psychiatry, Blogbuster as he called himself, is a very good subject of study. And of course his Hate Blog watch, the mother house of his individual "hate watch" dedicated to Nick, Sergey and Roberto. The guy was a psychopath haunted with compulsive obsessional disorder and deep paranoia.
He is a link
http://hateblogwatch.blogspot.com/
Of course all the links are dead now.

I actually met him when i was posting on codoh. This guy joined there and did not hesitate to present himself as a denier in order to gain the trust of codoh members and be allowed to attack the Holocaust Controversies blog and members at any occasion.
He went as far as creating a Hateblogwatch "community" - no one but himself - creating fictional members discussing and insulting who ever was annoying him.
Who would ever do that? creating a forum where he would dialogue with himself?
Then he would send the link to his psycho frenzy to codoh as a proof of his own statements - as actually he was then denying any link with those blogs and forum - just using them as proof to what he was saying.
Sadly, he erased everything, and it is a pity i did not make any copy.

Here are some quotes from Blog buster:
Hey Anders,
I am not associated with Hate Blog Watch. I simply like to point to it in contrast to many of the posts and rhetoric posted on RODOH and the HC blog.
Enjoy your day.


Here some more on his original pain:
https://hateblogwatch.wordpress.com/

On codoh, he played the bitch to a point it could have been confused with "intellectual porn".
Here is one of my farorite:
Confronted with a codoh member calling Carmelo Lisciotto (himself) and Chris Webb (his God) as being "cowardly and hypocritical" Holocaust believers, his answer is worth its pound of gold:
Twila,
I have not seen any evidence whatsoever about Lisciotto or Webb doing anything wrong or hypocritical. They are Holocaust believers and make no bones about that. Where are they hypocritical? Unlike the HC group who claim to be anti-revisionist, but attack other believers worse than they attack the revisionists, Lisciotto/Webb appear from their websites to be direct and straight forward. I simply don't see the correlation?

If you are a revisionist and don't buy what Webb and Lisciotto peddle on their HEART website I have no problem with that, to each their own. But at least those guys aren't pretending to be something they are not***. Who here at CODOH has had a run in with either of them? I myself have written to them countless times and never even received a response. Have you? Has anyone here?

If not, then why make the blatant accusation? I think its clear that many here have experienced Terry, Romanov, and Muehlenkamp first hand and it was probably an experience that left much to be desired.


But what do the HEART founders have to do with the death of RODOH? I have reported about the HC connection with RODOH's demise because the HC guys, namely Terry, Muehlenkamp and Romanov all clearly played some role in it, or I will concede that I believe they played a role in it, and so do the folks at Hate Blog Watch.

Where do Lisciotto and Webb fit into the equation? I'm confused?

It’s the hypocrisy and propagation of false history by people who know the history is false that perturbs me. That is my reason for “habitually” exposing the HC group. They are an Internet phenomenon of a most curious sort. Borderline schizophrenic, bi-polar personalities coupled with a tenacious desire to attack people they don’t even know with a zealousness that simply isn’t normal.

I don’t expose HC out of any concern for Lisciotto or Webb, but rather because of what HC tried to do to those guys and the veritable mountain of evidence they left behind that provides material to work with. The HC group has since learned and corrected their approach. They don’t attack others a sloppily as they did Webb and Lisciotto and we may never have the opportunity to expose them with this level of verified proof again.


As funny as those famous Willow's post, but more pathetic, as the guy was clearly sick to a point actually hard to believe!
At some point, Rodoh gave him a specific topic in the Siberian exile where he would eventually keeping posting his craps for himself. IIRC, he even got the title of moderator for his own thread, so he could proudly moderate himself.

:lol:

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:12 am

Balsamo wrote: This guy joined there and did not hesitate to present himself as a denier in order to gain the trust of codoh members and be allowed to attack the Holocaust Controversies blog and members at any occasion.
He went as far as creating a Hateblogwatch "community" - no one but himself - creating fictional members discussing and insulting who ever was annoying him.
Who would ever do that? creating a forum where he would dialogue with himself?
Then he would send the link to his psycho frenzy to codoh as a proof of his own statements - as actually he was then denying any link with those blogs and forum - just using them as proof to what he was saying.
Sadly, he erased everything, and it is a pity i did not make any copy.

On codoh, he played the bitch to a point it could have been confused with "intellectual porn".
Here is one of my farorite:
Confronted with a codoh member calling Carmelo Lisciotto (himself) and Chris Webb (his God) as being "cowardly and hypocritical" Holocaust believers, his answer is worth its pound of gold:
But at least those guys aren't pretending to be something they are not***. Who here at CODOH has had a run in with either of them? I myself have written to them countless times and never even received a response. Have you? Has anyone here?

If not, then why make the blatant accusation? I think its clear that many here have experienced Terry, Romanov, and Muehlenkamp first hand and it was probably an experience that left much to be desired.


But what do the HEART founders have to do with the death of RODOH? I have reported about the HC connection with RODOH's demise because the HC guys, namely Terry, Muehlenkamp and Romanov all clearly played some role in it, or I will concede that I believe they played a role in it, and so do the folks at Hate Blog Watch.

Where do Lisciotto and Webb fit into the equation? I'm confused?

It’s the hypocrisy and propagation of false history by people who know the history is false that perturbs me. That is my reason for “habitually” exposing the HC group. They are an Internet phenomenon of a most curious sort. Borderline schizophrenic, bi-polar personalities coupled with a tenacious desire to attack people they don’t even know with a zealousness that simply isn’t normal.

I don’t expose HC out of any concern for Lisciotto or Webb, but rather because of what HC tried to do to those guys and the veritable mountain of evidence they left behind that provides material to work with. The HC group has since learned and corrected their approach. They don’t attack others a sloppily as they did Webb and Lisciotto and we may never have the opportunity to expose them with this level of verified proof again.


As funny as those famous Willow's post, but more pathetic, as the guy was clearly sick to a point actually hard to believe!
At some point, Rodoh gave him a specific topic in the Siberian exile where he would eventually keeping posting his craps for himself. IIRC, he even got the title of moderator for his own thread, so he could proudly moderate himself.

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You left me speechless. And I can't stop laughing with your three stars line! I wouldn't believe such paranoia exists. Totally sick.

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Postby Sergey_Romanov » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:51 am

Blogbuster aka Carmelo Lisciotto indeed was extremely friendly to the CODOH deniers. Very interesting for a person who runs a Holocaust website.

In one of his screeds he attacked me for allegedly having hacked (or something similar) a denier forum in order to silence them. Oh my, poor deniers, at least they have the sympathy of Carmelo.

Below are a couple of Usenet posts from the 1990s about that psycho.

Michael Smith

6/29/97


Carmelo is using the same NNTP posting host as last time. However, in
this case he is posting through Villagenet. Now here is the interesting
part: Carmelo Lisciotto (his real name) is doing this by exploiting a
*bug* in certain NNTP ports. Therefore the best way to shut him down is
to email the proper authorities and inform them of the problem.

Let villagenet know that *they are vulnerable* and tell them to check
out their NNTP port. Send them a copy of one of Carmelo's articles to
give them evidence. --postm...@villagenet.com

ALso, let these two sites know that Carmelo is using Villagenet to
exploit this bug, via their machines. Also, send them a copy of one of
his articles, and let them know that over the last three months he's
posted scores of these on alt.pagan.

Just so you know: Carmelo is in all likelihood NOT REALLY TRYING TO
CONVERT PAGANS. He's a sexual submissive who had a bad time with one of
the ladies he met, and so started on his rampage by posting some ugly
comments about her. He then began posting on alt.pagan, and has made
forays into alt.religion.wicca, as well as Islamic and Buddhist
newsgroups. In short, he's a troll of the crudest sort, and while he
knows a couple of good hacks, this and other evidence indicates to me
that he ain't that bright.

postm...@chicom.com
ro...@199.177.1.11

Just so people know, even though he is not posting currently, he still
has his access to his account on one of these last two servers as of
midnight Sunday morning, April 29th 1997. (If any of you get email from
George Loukoumia, that's Carmelo Lisciotto)

--


paul...@lan2wan.com

5/5/98



Folks,
Just a word about this particular scourge of the internet. The trash-talking
wannabee leather boy messiah from Chicago, Carmelo Lisciotto, delights in his
all-caps diatribes, and ESPECIALLY (how'dyou like my Carm imitation) if people
waste time either replying to him or discussing him at length.

This pathetic little troll, more than most, thrives on reaction. A history of
over a year of watery ejaculations of this kind on alt.pagan and
alt.religion.wicca supports this view, though you must, of course, form your
own opinion in this regard.

I would urge you not to reply to his posts in any way (and don't respond to
this post either (g)). He usually manages to get caught violating the terms of
use on his latest ISP after a time, and gets booted. For someone who makes a
living as a programmer, he is remarkably inept in that regard - but then, if
he was smart he might have a life rather than continually exposing himself
online. Not that there's much to see.

Regards,
Paul
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7/11/97



Hello everyone,
The newsgroups alt.religion.wicca and alt.pagan are facing a problem
with a spammer that floods our NGs with his extremist bible-thumping
posts. His true email addy is car...@hotmail.com and his name is
Carmelo Lisciotto. Here's an example of one of his posts with as much
header info. that I can get from my newsreader:
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Path:
intex.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!160.45.4.4!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!newsserver.pacific.net.sg!inetgate.tp.ac.sg!news
From: lCAR...@lhotmail.com (lCARMLOl)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca
Subject: YOU STUPID FOOLS! YOU WILL PAY!
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:59:56 GMT
Organization: Another Netscape News Server User
Lines: 7
Message-ID: <33c6f31d...@inetgate.tp.ac.sg>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.177.29.213
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230
Xref: intex.net alt.pagan:213367 alt.religion.wicca:62954
For their evil ness!

They are truly evil!

YOU ARE EVIL!

Thus Speaketh the !CarMLO
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The example above is just one of dozens of posts he posts every day
several times a day. Carmelo is notorious for exploiting misconfigured
NNTP ports to flood the abovementioned newsgroups. Some of our regular
posters have tried complaining to chicom.com, which is Carmelo's
provider, but they refuse to do anything about it. From what I've been
told, Carmelo uses a Perl script to flood the newsgroups. The messages
he posts are almost always the same drivel every day. We'd appreciate
any assistance you might be able to offer us.

Thank you,
DragonLady MKB
Honeybel

11/25/97



Interested in knowing a bit more about Carmlo? I did a quick search on
him/her. Of course, he may just have been sent to make us laugh, which isn't a
bad thing in this world of ours.
Blessed Be.

> Carmelo Lisciotto posts to this group every so often with inflammatory
> proselytizing posts. He posts to Christian groups claiming to be a satanist.
> He shows his true colors when he posts to sex groups looking for someone to
> humiliate him. Go ahead and reply, but keep in mind that Carmelo WILL use
your
> words as material for masturbation and try and goad you into abusing him
more.
Ø He likes it. YUK

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:14 pm

He moved from Chicago to a suburb north of Boston (IIRC Chelmsford where he worked as an IT security specialist) and there got involved in "patriotic" MCs - his usual behavior, now focused on MC rivals, prevailed, and if memory serves led to an assault charge and court appearance. What I will remember about him is how he tried relentlessly and obsessively to destroy people's lives and careers, with the encouragement of many Codoh and Rodoh HDers, which he accepted and then cultivated. None of this is hyperbole; that's what he tried to do. He failed because irl he was recognized as a crank and a troll but not for the want of his own effort and not for lack of egging on from Scott Smith's membership. They, Rodoh deniers, are in a way more disgusting human beings than CL, who seems frankly nuts. He's gone from alt-pagan to gun fanatics to HD to MC patriots and showed exactly the same pattern of destructive behavior in each phase.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeff_36 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:41 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:He moved from Chicago to a suburb north of Boston (IIRC Chelmsford where he worked as an IT security specialist) and there got involved in "patriotic" MCs - his usual behavior, now focused on MC rivals, prevailed, and if memory serves led to an assault charge and court appearance. What I will remember about him is how he tried relentlessly and obsessively to destroy people's lives and careers, with the encouragement of many Codoh and Rodoh HDers, which he accepted and then cultivated. None of this is hyperbole; that's what he tried to do. He failed because irl he was recognized as a crank and a troll but not for the want of his own effort and not for lack of egging on from Scott Smith's membership. They, Rodoh deniers, are in a way more disgusting human beings than CL, who seems frankly nuts. He's gone from alt-pagan to gun fanatics to HD to MC patriots and showed exactly the same pattern of destructive behavior in each phase.


I remember that he tried to prove that Roberto's father was a Colonel in the SS Wiking Division IIRC. The SS officer in question was also named Muehlenkamp and certainly bore a resemblance to Roberto. However, I figured out that it was BS after I saw Roberto's Sobibor vid - The Oberst had been an Alsatian, and Roberto did not have even a trace of an Alsatian accent, which, if you have heard it even once, is impossible to forget.
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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Balsamo » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:16 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:He moved from Chicago to a suburb north of Boston (IIRC Chelmsford where he worked as an IT security specialist) and there got involved in "patriotic" MCs - his usual behavior, now focused on MC rivals, prevailed, and if memory serves led to an assault charge and court appearance. What I will remember about him is how he tried relentlessly and obsessively to destroy people's lives and careers, with the encouragement of many Codoh and Rodoh HDers, which he accepted and then cultivated. None of this is hyperbole; that's what he tried to do. He failed because irl he was recognized as a crank and a troll but not for the want of his own effort and not for lack of egging on from Scott Smith's membership. They, Rodoh deniers, are in a way more disgusting human beings than CL, who seems frankly nuts. He's gone from alt-pagan to gun fanatics to HD to MC patriots and showed exactly the same pattern of destructive behavior in each phase.


I remember that he tried to prove that Roberto's father was a Colonel in the SS Wiking Division IIRC. The SS officer in question was also named Muhelenkampf and certainly bore a resemblance to Roberto. However, I figured out that it was BS after I saw Roberto's Sobibor vid - The Oberst had been an Alsatian, and Roberto did not have even a trace of an Alsatian accent, which, if you have heard it even once, is impossible to forget.



Please, Jeff, i beg you. Try to respect people's name: There are no Roberto MUHELENKAMPF...It is Mühlenkamp / or as the engligh write it, Muehlenkamp... Mühle is the german word for a Mill, and ethymologically, Mühlenkamp refers to people living close to a mill / or mills. (my guess).

How the hell did you come up with MUHELENKAMPF ???

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Sergey_Romanov » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:06 pm

There are no engligh... only English.

///sry ;)


PS: Obviously Mühlenkampf was Don Quixote's pseudonym. ///

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Re: Ernst Zundel is dead

Postby Jeff_36 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:39 am

Balsamo wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:He moved from Chicago to a suburb north of Boston (IIRC Chelmsford where he worked as an IT security specialist) and there got involved in "patriotic" MCs - his usual behavior, now focused on MC rivals, prevailed, and if memory serves led to an assault charge and court appearance. What I will remember about him is how he tried relentlessly and obsessively to destroy people's lives and careers, with the encouragement of many Codoh and Rodoh HDers, which he accepted and then cultivated. None of this is hyperbole; that's what he tried to do. He failed because irl he was recognized as a crank and a troll but not for the want of his own effort and not for lack of egging on from Scott Smith's membership. They, Rodoh deniers, are in a way more disgusting human beings than CL, who seems frankly nuts. He's gone from alt-pagan to gun fanatics to HD to MC patriots and showed exactly the same pattern of destructive behavior in each phase.


I remember that he tried to prove that Roberto's father was a Colonel in the SS Wiking Division IIRC. The SS officer in question was also named Muhelenkampf and certainly bore a resemblance to Roberto. However, I figured out that it was BS after I saw Roberto's Sobibor vid - The Oberst had been an Alsatian, and Roberto did not have even a trace of an Alsatian accent, which, if you have heard it even once, is impossible to forget.



Please, Jeff, i beg you. Try to respect people's name: There are no Roberto MUHELENKAMPF...It is Mühlenkamp / or as the engligh write it, Muehlenkamp... Mühle is the german word for a Mill, and ethymologically, Mühlenkamp refers to people living close to a mill / or mills. (my guess).

How the hell did you come up with MUHELENKAMPF ???


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