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The "What Black Leaders thought of Hitler" meme

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:26 pm

I ran across this on Twitter, I've seen it in a few different places:
https://mobile.twitter.com/darussianhacker/status/874476041317695488

The implied message is that Hitler was not a racist. Uh-huh.

Why anyone would give a damn about what Idi Amin thought or said is beyond me and needless to say, Farrakhan is a very controversial figure. Neither men spent time in Nazi Germany.
Now, what did Du Bois say about Nazi Germany? He said this:
but he was horrified by their treatment of the Jewish people, which he described as "an attack on civilization, comparable only to such horrors as the Spanish Inquisition and the African slave trade."[212]


Wikipedia footnotes that to:
Original Du Bois source: Pittsburgh Courier, 19 December 1936.

I tried to find the original article but couldn't find a free source.

Here is the Wikipedia article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois

Just as an aside, he sounds like a very interesting man.

Here is another article about him that described both what he felt about Nazi Germany and what he said about Jews there:

Also, Du Bois said "he found National Socialism to be neither 'wholly illogical,' nor hypocritical, but to be still 'a growing and developing body of thought' in which he divined an 'extraordinary straddle' between capitalism and communism. . . . " After leaving Germany, Du Bois expressed his horror at the treatment of the Jews. He wrote in the Pittsburgh Courier that "it is an attack on civilization, comparable only to such horrors as the Spanish Inquisition and the African slave trade. It has set civilization back a hundred years."


http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/reed/contrarian.htm

So, whatever Du Bois felt about Germany, he saw the persecution of the Jews and it did affect him.

Now, when I see this I always remind deniers about the "Rhineland bastards," the offspring of German women and French African colonial soldiers stationed in the Rhineland after World War One. The vast majority of these children came from consensual relationships and marriages. There were also children from former German African colonies that wound up in the Rhineland when the former colonists left Africa after World War One. The Nazi regime sterilized them in the 1930's under the Commission Number 3, about 400 wound up sterilized. Odd that an allegedly "non-racist" society would sterilize half African children.....

You can read more about that here:
http://www.dreamdeferred.org.uk/2014/04/the-holocausts-forgotten-victims-the-rhineland-bastards/

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Re: The "What Black Leaders thought of Hitler" meme

Postby Jeff_36 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:56 am

Idid Amin and Louis Farhakan were black supremacists (at least Farhakan was) and admired Hitler for espousing similar madness to them. Period. Hitler said horrid things about blacks in MK.

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Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:51 pm

Never have I though that I'd see a day when a Nazi would quote Idi Amin.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:57 pm

Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:Never have I though that I'd see a day when a Nazi would quote Idi Amin.


No kidding, it kinda shocked me as well.

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Re: The "What Black Leaders thought of Hitler" meme

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:59 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:Idid Amin and Louis Farhakan were black supremacists (at least Farhakan was) and admired Hitler for espousing similar madness to them. Period. Hitler said horrid things about blacks in MK.


I need to read Mein Kampf again. I read it in college, it bored the hell out of me. But, I can always use the refresher.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:55 pm

Forgot about what Cesarani said, Stat Mech mentioned it here:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=26239&start=80


Nazi racism, wrote DuBois, was "an attack on civilization." He gave some specifics:
Jews jailed for sexual relations with German women; a marriage disallowed because a Jewish person witnessed it; Masons excluded from office, because Jews are Masons; advertisements excluding Jews; the total disenfranchisement of all Jews; deprivation of civil rights and inability to remain or become German citizens; limited rights of education; and narrowly limited right to work in trades and professions and the civil service; the threat of boycott, loss of work and even mob violence for any German who trades with a Jew, and above all, the continued circulation of Julius Streicher's Der Stürmer, the most shameless, lying advocate of race hate in the world, not excluding Florida.


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Re: The "What Black Leaders thought of Hitler" meme

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:34 am

This is just a funny video clip from the movie version of Mother Night. It has post war white supremacists meeting the Black Fuehrer of Harlem explaining why Japanese are coloured people but Chinese are not. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTY-PM4q10

Here is a trailer for the movie. It's an unusual comedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbdizJq2QBI

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Postby BRoI » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:33 pm

Image
Can't remember where I found this image, might have been on eBay.
"... these witnesses would swear to anything if it gets the Germans killed."
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:10 pm

BRoI wrote:Image
Can't remember where I found this image, might have been on eBay.



A sad example of the misuse of the word "Holocaust."

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Postby BRoI » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:35 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:A sad example of the misuse of the word "Holocaust."

FFS Jeff, it's clearly taking a pop at what its creators considered to be lies about a different holocaust. Dr. Tony Martin was a speaker at a IHR conference, invited to speak by David Irving.

"the worst human suffering the universe has ever known"

"Actual facts, proof, truth and evidence"

"Never Again!! Never Again!!" - borrowing a phrase used about another holocaust, which is made in reference to verses in the Torah about what God said after Noah had offered up a burnt offering [holocaust]:

Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. — Genesis 8:20-21 (NIV)


Rashi, the massively influential Talmudist from 11th century France, said that his god used the phrase "never again" twice to indicate he was making an oath.
"... these witnesses would swear to anything if it gets the Germans killed."
- Solomon Surowitz, Assistant Prosecutor at the 1947 Buchenwald trial.

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Re: The "What Black Leaders thought of Hitler" meme

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:43 pm

BRoI wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:A sad example of the misuse of the word "Holocaust."

FFS Jeff, it's clearly taking a pop at what its creators considered to be lies about a different holocaust. Dr. Tony Martin was a speaker at a IHR conference, invited to speak by David Irving.


Gee, Rabbit, how the {!#%@} was I supposed to know this?

I don't know or care about Tony Martin, who he was and what he thought about the Holocaust. I sure as {!#%@} don't keep up with who David Irving invites to speak at the collective denier circle jerks known as the IHR conference.

If you want us to get the reference give us some context. I glanced at it, saw what was on it and thought it was another piss poor use of the word "Holocaust."

Don't just ASSume people will get what you post, Rabbit. Give us the context or piss off.

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Postby BRoI » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:52 pm

"Give us the context or piss off."

Or... *point out what is obvious, as us anti-revisionists aren't as knowledgeable as we pretend to be. Or piss off, coz you're making us look stupid*
"... these witnesses would swear to anything if it gets the Germans killed."
- Solomon Surowitz, Assistant Prosecutor at the 1947 Buchenwald trial.

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Re: The "What Black Leaders thought of Hitler" meme

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:05 pm

BRoI wrote:"Give us the context or piss off."

Or... *point out what is obvious, as us anti-revisionists aren't as knowledgeable as we pretend to be. Or piss off, coz you're making us look stupid*


Not obvious, Rabbit, you posted some random poster with someone I've never heard of with no explanation.

Sorry if I don't keep up with deniers from all walks of life, Rabbit. I only know the ones I've interacted with and I sure as {!#%@} don't know who attended what circle jerk IHR conference at David Irving's invitation.

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Re: The "What Black Leaders thought of Hitler" meme

Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:09 am

BRoI wrote:"Never Again!! Never Again!!" - borrowing a phrase used about another holocaust, which is made in reference to verses in the Torah about what God said after Noah had offered up a burnt offering [holocaust]:

Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. — Genesis 8:20-21 (NIV)


Rashi, the massively influential Talmudist from 11th century France, said that his god used the phrase "never again" twice to indicate he was making an oath.


The phrase 'Never Again' in connection to the Holocaust has nothing to do with 'Torah or talmudic' stuff.
It was first used in the Swedish documentary on the Holocaust 'Mein Kampf' by Erwin Leiser, 1961.
The film ended as follows:
While the lens shows a general view of Auschwitz, the narrator said 'It must never happen again - never again'.

Maybe some eleven years later it became popular due to the book of this awful rabbi Meir Kahane 'Never Again! A Program for Survival' (1972), the founder of the terrorist Jewish Defense League, but its origins are from the film.
According to experts and scholars, the 10 stages of every genocide are
Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination
... and finally the 10th stage:
Denial
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html

XYZ Contagion (‘Because the truth is contagious‘), an investigative/research political and historical website, deals also with the Srebrenica Genocide
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Re: The "What Black Leaders thought of Hitler" meme

Postby Denying-History » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:12 pm

{!#%@} hell... first a photograph and now a meme that was created the purpose of genocide prevention/awareness has some damn connection with the Torah? Occam is rolling in his grave...
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