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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:46 am

Denying-History wrote:Nice to know you're talking to such kind people:

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They seem to be struggling with spelling Trotskii, but that comes with using twitter.

This person’s already blocked me. I’m actually thankful for that.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:15 pm

See, I’ve just gotten to the point where I’m messing with people.
https://mobile.twitter.com/fraulein4rei ... 0522741760
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:01 pm

This is what MAGA really means:
https://mobile.twitter.com/12841chelmno ... 8132354048

BTW we are {!#%@} with Kennedy retiring.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:51 pm

Kennedy voted for this year's onslaught of horrible decisions. We've been {!#%@}; we are {!#%@} worse now. Roe v Wade, for starters, is doomed.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:27 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Kennedy voted for this year's onslaught of horrible decisions. We've been {!#%@}; we are {!#%@} worse now. Roe v Wade, for starters, is doomed.

Ahem, cough, cough, where'd you say that Trump thread went :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:35 am

bye-bye . . . where it belongs! and to where I'm not following . . . I just felt for a fleeting moment that Jeffk needed some affirmation LOL
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Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:40 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:bye-bye . . . where it belongs! and to where I'm not following . . . I just felt for a fleeting moment that Jeffk needed some affirmation LOL
Sorry, had to do it :mrgreen:

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:05 am

... I am fair game! LOL
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:15 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:bye-bye . . . where it belongs! and to where I'm not following . . . I just felt for a fleeting moment that Jeffk needed some affirmation LOL

Danke!!!!!

We are all {!#%@}....

Back to our regularly scheduled history program.

One last thing:
Oklahoma approved a measure for medical marijuana yesterday so the news is not all bad. I think I need it to get me through the next few years.
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Post by Sailor Haumea » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:39 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Let’s face it, Twitter and YouTube deniers race neck and neck for the title of the World’s Stupidest Deniers.
Nah, /pol/ deniers (be they on 4chan or 8chan) easily win that title.

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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:04 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:So, I joined Twitter a couple of weeks ago after Sergey posted his conversation with one of them.

What struck me immediately is the wide variety of truly stupid people that post on Twitter. Trump-lovers, white nationalists, Israel haters, antisemites, all there to enjoy in their brief, 140 characters of sadness.

The most entertaining is something called T.H.O.T. I don't know if this person is a man or a woman but what they do is post half-naked pictures of girls with little denier memes nestled in....strategic places. It's definitely there to pull in the males. I complimented this person on their cleverness while bashing the memes.

There is someone called Anne Chastain (I'm not revealing anything, she posts using that name) who rants about everything while mixing in the antisemitism. It's like watching a Trumpling on meth.

There is the usual mixture of quickie denier memes...all Bolshevists were Jews, the 4 million at Auschwitz, six million gassed, etc., etc. Really, it's worse than YouTube. Part of it is the need to get the point across in 140 characters while the rest is just sheer ignorance.

On the plus side I now follow the Auschwitz Museum along with a few others like USC Shoah. I even have three followers of my own.... :lol:

Now, right now Twitter has me in timeout, apparently calling someone a dumbass is frowned upon.

Fight the good fight, Jeff! For many years, I posted at the CSICOP site, arguing with paranormalists. I finally realized that I was just shoveling smoke. If people can't see obvious reality, it doesn't help to hold it up for their inspection.

Case in point re the Jewish bolshevism canard: A recently-deceased friend of mine, who was a humane, charitable guy in general and would never mistreat or refuse friendship to any particular person who happened to be Jewish, nevertheless was one of what I now call the 40%: A guy who actually preferred conspiracy theories to straightforward explanations. He didn't deny the Holocaust. He knew that was real. Yet he believed deeply in the Jewish bolshevism scenario. Having a PhD in statistics, he was fond of citing how much more likely a top Bolshevik was to be Jewish than a person selected at random was to be Jewish. Well, yes, I agree, and so what? What is true of the top Bolsheviks is also true of the top violinists (Nathan Milstein, Yitzhak Perlman, Yehudi Menuhin, David Oistrakh, Jascha Heifetz....) and the top pianists (Emil Gilels, Vladimir Horowitz, Arthur Rubinstein, Sviatoslav Richter...) and the top physicists, and the top medical researchers and the top lawyers and.... And so what? As Einstein said, all this Jewish creativity is the result of a cultural tradition, not genetics; he further said he'd be glad to renounce all ethnicity in favor of universal humanity if the world would just cease to persecute people for being Jewish.

And even though this guy demonstrably had Jewish students and friends that he was close to, he still counts as anti-Semitic, as he believed the Jews had a controlling interest in the USA (ZOG!) and constantly referred to Israel as "that shitty country in the ME." I never saw him face to face after 1967, and that's probably just as well. We were able to communicate cordially on matters of common interest as long as we lived 1500 miles apart.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:59 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Oklahoma approved a measure for medical marijuana yesterday so the news is not all bad. I think I need it to get me through the next few years.
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So things aren't perhaps as bad as I thought, if even Oklahoma is now giving Jeff Sessions apoplectic fits.

As for me, I've never felt less patriotic than I do at this coming 4th of July. But what can I do? Just stay at my post and keep working steadily and peacefully to bring the country back from the mire of Trumpism it has sunk into.

Return to thread topic.....
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:30 pm

Just on a personal note I think Jeff Sessions would be hysterical stoned.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:40 pm

I think I’ve spent too much time on Twitter. I need to let it go. Much whining about poor white people....
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:35 pm

What do poor people, white or not, have to do with HD? Or are they off an tangents?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 pm

Most of it gets phrased like, “The Jews use the Holocaust so we can’t embrace our white culture.”

What, Jews don’t want you to listen to the Beatles?????
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:45 pm

Oh that. Except they probably prefer Skrewdriver or The Horst Wessel Song.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:45 pm

Prussian Blue.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:19 pm

OK, I’ll give this guy some credit. He stuck to his guns.
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Post by landrew » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:59 pm

Twitter is a megaphone. If no one is listening, it's just hot air.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:45 am

I'm in the process of getting a new phone so my old one is backing up. I don't have access to Twitter but I gotta say, I'm enjoying the Twitter free moments.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:52 pm

interesting, very thoughtful "Long Read" from The Grauniad on "denial and denialism" by Keith Kahn-Harris, with a critique of typical strategies of combating denialism and insights into the Twitter-YouTube-Trump phase of denialism, which the author dubs "post-denialism" (an "instinctive," "anarchic", ill-disciplined denialism built on a foundation of doubt and reliant on signals, nods, allusions - a more "open acknowledgment" of desires - "What matters in post-denialism is not the establishment of an alternative scholarly credibility, so much as giving yourself blanket permission to see the world however you like" - e.g., anti-Semitism and genocide, assessing the trajectories of Weber, Hunt, and Anglin)
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:interesting, very thoughtful "Long Read" from The Grauniad on "denial and denialism" by Keith Kahn-Harris, with a critique of typical strategies of combating denialism and insights into the Twitter-YouTube-Trump phase of denialism, which the author dubs "post-denialism" (an "instinctive," "anarchic", ill-disciplined denialism built on a foundation of doubt and reliant on signals, nods, allusions - a more "open acknowledgment" of desires - "What matters in post-denialism is not the establishment of an alternative scholarly credibility, so much as giving yourself blanket permission to see the world however you like" - e.g., anti-Semitism and genocide, assessing the trajectories of Weber, Hunt, and Anglin)
From the article:
Those who were previously “forced” into Holocaust denial are starting to sense that it may be possible to publicly celebrate genocide once again, to revel in antisemitism’s finest hour.
Or warp scripture to say that the Jews deserved this calamity, that it was collective punishment for their sins.

I found a loathsome individual who said this was God’s punishment on the collective for Jews meddling in European affairs. He also told me it was punishment for the sin of Godless Socialism and the genocide of the Czar’s family (genocide???????). When I read that I found in that moment I found someone less worthy of respect than any screwed up Holocaust denier.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:15 am

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What matters in post-denialism is not the establishment of an alternative scholarly credibility, so much as giving yourself blanket permission to see the world however you like"

I don't see that as "post denialism" at all... It's been omni-present amongst these cretins for decades.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:48 am

I felt like Kahn-Harris kind of answered the question where did all the forum deniers and HD debates go? I took him to be saying that with the transition to Twitter-Trump denialism, denialism has increasingly dispensed with its gurus and even the pretext of argumentation and proofs ("the simulacra of scholarship"), and in the Twitter age IHR, debate forums, "events" like the Rodoh "Scholars Debate," etc have become retro ... we proceed from Robert Countess and Il Re di Convoluzione to Jim Rizoli and Jeffk's pal Angry Goy ... from worse to worser ...
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Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:21 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:I felt like Kahn-Harris kind of answered the question where did all the forum deniers and HD debates go? I took him to be saying that with the transition to Twitter-Trump denialism, denialism has increasingly dispensed with its gurus and even the pretext of argumentation and proofs ("the simulacra of scholarship"), and in the Twitter age IHR, debate forums, "events" like the Rodoh "Scholars Debate," etc have become retro ... we proceed from Robert Countess and Il Re di Convoluzione to Jim Rizoli and Jeffk's pal Angry Goy ... from worse to worser ...
Fair enough.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:51 am

Balmoral95 wrote:"
What matters in post-denialism is not the establishment of an alternative scholarly credibility, so much as giving yourself blanket permission to see the world however you like"

I don't see that as "post denialism" at all... It's been omni-present amongst these cretins for decades.
Now there's not even the pretense of scholarship. Just a bewildering array of internet memes and sad YouTube videos.

I've seen it change in the last couple of years and I haven't dealt with this nearly as long as the rest of you have. The ones I dealt with at FG's blog at least had some passing familiarity with the history involved and made me work a little. They read the HH Handbooks and knew who the main deniers were.

Now? The ones I deal with don't know anything. It's what they scrounge up through Google searches and what they pass amongst themselves. In a way they are more accessible to the YouTube/Twitter generation. It doesn't require a lot, just stupid things like look at the changing plaque at Auschwitz or how do you burn six million Jews at one camp. It's pathetic but much easier to digest. They will not come to places like Skeptics under any circumstances.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:58 am

It's why I've come around to believing it's important to pump up the education aspect of this. Not just What happened to Europe's Jews but other victims of the Nazis and the Communists. You can add in the Armenian genocide.....hell, what happened to the native Americans. We need this taught so that kids can start understanding what shitty things humans are capable of.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:13 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:It's why I've come around to believing it's important to pump up the education aspect of this. Not just What happened to Europe's Jews but other victims of the Nazis and the Communists. You can add in the Armenian genocide.....hell, what happened to the native Americans. We need this taught so that kids can start understanding what shitty things humans are capable of.
You're not seriously advocating a TRUE history of the country.... Pence's brain would explode... Oh wait, that's a good thing. ;)

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:20 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Look at Michael being honest.

https://mobile.twitter.com/santomauro/s ... 7682905088

Hey, look who’s running for mayor!!!!!

https://www.islandpacket.com/news/polit ... 83515.html
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