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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue May 23, 2017 11:24 am

I figured they would when I read it. Such a reaction only confirms how little they understand about evolution.

It does seem that all roads are leading to Kleon's home country these days - from music to the tree of life :)
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Postby ElectricMonk » Tue May 23, 2017 11:28 am

When such an event is removed this far in time, what possible conclusion could be drawn in terms of current population from comparatively small shifts in space?
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue May 23, 2017 12:25 pm

This was the article that made the RODOH crowd so happy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

Of course it made them happy, the thought that their ancestors come from Europe rather than Africa removes that little problem that humans evolved from black Africans instead of pearly-white Aryans.

I find it interesting but it also mentions in the article that there is far more evidence of humans evolving in Africa than otherwise. Even if this is what happened, that humans evolved in the Mediterranean rather than Africa, it doesn't prove what those ass hats want it to prove.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue May 23, 2017 1:01 pm

That scientists render "El Greco" with a likeness of Fish hints that after the split discussed in the article, humans in Africa and elsewhere evolved whereas at least some European tribes have persisted in the "El Greco" state to this day, raising indeed very interesting questions for biologists.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue May 23, 2017 1:06 pm

LOL

Well, it would explain Greg Gerdes/WendyO/SFinesilver.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue May 23, 2017 5:33 pm

Ian shows exactly zero interest in discussion of the issues his thread purported to raise.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue May 23, 2017 5:36 pm

Well, I expect Ian to show back up again in a few months, gripe about how mean we are to him, berate me for not immediately dropping everything to research evolution for him and then post another racist video.
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Postby Darren Wilshak » Wed May 24, 2017 12:23 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Did he provide a source for his chart?

It's in the link: "photobucket.com/albums/ee226/mralbertfish". :-P


A mere co-incidence scrmbldggs...

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Postby Xcalibur » Wed May 24, 2017 12:31 am

Darren Wilshak wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Did he provide a source for his chart?

It's in the link: "photobucket.com/albums/ee226/mralbertfish". :-P


A mere co-incidence scrmbldggs...


Whether or not Ian is Fish, taking pot shots at Fish/DepthCheck is always fun :mrgreen:

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Both John Haze and Fishes have at the aDolf Hitler komplex

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed May 24, 2017 10:31 pm

But has Europe reawakened?
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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Ian Hazard » Thu May 25, 2017 1:37 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Ian shows exactly zero interest in discussion of the issues his thread purported to raise.


The only "skeptic" here who has posted anything on topic is you StatMech. My time is valuable and I don't want to waste it conversing with individuals who are only capable of stringing together puerile insults. Perhaps if your fellow "skeptics" decide to produce a few on topic postings we can have a discussion. In the meantime here is something for you to think about.

"In the last two decades, our knowledge of human genetics — and the genetics of other species — has increased many-fold. It is now, in fact, possible to accurately measure the genetic differences between human groups, as long as we have a representative sample of each group’s DNA. Look carefully at the graphic included as the first illustration in the text version of this broadcast. It’s a graph that shows us in visual form the genetic distance between 42 human populations, based on the differences found among them on two highly variable sections of mtDNA. (Cavalli-Sforza, 1994, p. 82). The graph is in the form of a map-like plane laid out in four nearly equal quadrants. As you can see, South Asians cluster, almost by themselves, in the lower left quadrant, North Asians and Eurasians in the upper left. Europeans and closely related peoples are tightly clustered in the upper right. When you add a few hybrid groups, a broad arc is formed across three of the four quadrants.




Now look at the lower right quadrant. Africans are on one side of the two axes of the graph and everyone else is on the other side — whether you look at the horizontal or the vertical axis. This is because Africans are more genetically different, from all other human populations, than any of the other human populations are from each other.

Notice also that, despite the fact that the graph has been exactly scaled to contain all of the populations measured, the center of the graph and a wide area around it is completely empty, even though that center would represent the average of all these measurements. This, as scientist and author Richard D. Fuerle tells us, “is because, although all these populations were once a single population, they have been becoming increasingly genetically different, on their way to becoming different species.” In other words: The races are evolving apart, becoming more different, and this must have been occurring for a very long time indeed to have progressed this far.

But never mind all that. We are told by our masters that biological race does not exist, and that is that."

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Postby Ian Hazard » Thu May 25, 2017 1:42 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Well, I expect Ian to show back up again in a few months, gripe about how mean we are to him, berate me for not immediately dropping everything to research evolution for him and then post another racist video.
Then vanish again.


Please don't lie Jeffk 1970. I have not posted any racist videos. Please apologize for attempting to mislead the forum.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 25, 2017 1:51 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Well, I expect Ian to show back up again in a few months, gripe about how mean we are to him, berate me for not immediately dropping everything to research evolution for him and then post another racist video.
Then vanish again.


Please don't lie Jeffk 1970. I have not posted any racist videos. Please apologize for attempting to mislead the forum.



You mean that video you posted with the guy ranting about races and showing us pictures of a black guy in a mugshot wasn't racist?

My apologies.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 25, 2017 1:58 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Ian shows exactly zero interest in discussion of the issues his thread purported to raise.


The only "skeptic" here who has posted anything on topic is you StatMech. My time is valuable and I don't want to waste it conversing with individuals who are only capable of stringing together puerile insults. Perhaps if your fellow "skeptics" decide to produce a few on topic postings we can have a discussion. In the meantime here is something for you to think about.

"In the last two decades, our knowledge of human genetics — and the genetics of other species — has increased many-fold. It is now, in fact, possible to accurately measure the genetic differences between human groups, as long as we have a representative sample of each group’s DNA. Look carefully at the graphic included as the first illustration in the text version of this broadcast. It’s a graph that shows us in visual form the genetic distance between 42 human populations, based on the differences found among them on two highly variable sections of mtDNA. (Cavalli-Sforza, 1994, p. 82). The graph is in the form of a map-like plane laid out in four nearly equal quadrants. As you can see, South Asians cluster, almost by themselves, in the lower left quadrant, North Asians and Eurasians in the upper left. Europeans and closely related peoples are tightly clustered in the upper right. When you add a few hybrid groups, a broad arc is formed across three of the four quadrants.




Now look at the lower right quadrant. Africans are on one side of the two axes of the graph and everyone else is on the other side — whether you look at the horizontal or the vertical axis. This is because Africans are more genetically different, from all other human populations, than any of the other human populations are from each other.

Notice also that, despite the fact that the graph has been exactly scaled to contain all of the populations measured, the center of the graph and a wide area around it is completely empty, even though that center would represent the average of all these measurements. This, as scientist and author Richard D. Fuerle tells us, “is because, although all these populations were once a single population, they have been becoming increasingly genetically different, on their way to becoming different species.” In other words: The races are evolving apart, becoming more different, and this must have been occurring for a very long time indeed to have progressed this far.

But never mind all that. We are told by our masters that biological race does not exist, and that is that."


Just in case anyone is curious on where little Ian is getting his information:
http://www.whiteswillwinparty.org/?tag=richard-d-fuerle

I'm not going to read the book but here is a review:

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/782972774


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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 25, 2017 2:09 pm

Ian, your dodging is more and more obvious. That others didn't reply to your satisfaction is not a legitimate reason for you to refuse to answer simple and direct questions I asked you..

Has the National Vanguard gloss, to be charitable, on Cavalli-Sforza been peer-reviewed or even evaluated by biologists? I ask because it comes across as virtually illiterate. Cavalli-Sforza's 2001 book, Genes, Peoples and Languages, is generally thought to be a "study of generic variation, backed up by language and archaeology, which provides concrete evidence about the spread of cultural innovations, the movements of people across the globe, the precise links between races, and the sheer unscientific absurdity of racism." (Google blurb). I've not read Cavalli-Sforza and am only aware of his reputation for work in cultural transmission, genetic differences, etc - have you read Cavalli-Sforza?

The chart you show doesn't speak directly to race or even the meaning of the differences illustrated.

Where are Muslims on your chart? I ask because the Rodoh thread you linked us to was full-on about Muslims in the context of race.

Frankly, Cavalli-Sforza's stuff seems to align with Coyne's argument with one important exception: AFAIK Cavalli-Sforza rejects the argument that race is a useful biological concept. Coyne doesn't: "Races (also called 'subspecies' or 'ecotypes') are simply populations of a species that are both geographically isolated and differ genetically in one or more traits," he then cites Homo Sapiens, as I posted. Which makes your conclusion - "We are told by our masters that biological race does not exist, and that is that" - both odd and dishonest.

If you continue to dodge what you have been asked, we can only conclude that a) you are in robotic posting mode, simply dropping spam links and racist formulae into the thread without regard for what's been posted and b) you are a coward.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 25, 2017 2:15 pm

http://www.scienceupdate.com/spotlights/african-american-scientists/

I've posted the above because Ian isn't up to date on the important civilizations of Africa and contributions to science that black people have made.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Thu May 25, 2017 2:16 pm

Ian, you're joking, right?

Yes, genetics have advanced dramatically, which is why it is curious that you present pre-Human Genome Project data.
Even more, why do you compare mitochondrial DNA instead of human genes?
mitDNA is useful for making ancestry trees, but they tell us nothing about phenotype.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 25, 2017 2:19 pm

Damnit, this is going to send me off on a tangent.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Ian, your dodging is more and more obvious. That others didn't reply to your satisfaction is not a legitimate reason for you to refuse to answer simple and direct questions I asked you..

Has the National Vanguard gloss, to be charitable, on Cavalli-Sforza been peer-reviewed or even evaluated by biologists? I ask because it comes across as virtually illiterate. Cavalli-Sforza's 2001 book, Genes, Peoples and Languages, is generally thought to be a "study of generic variation, backed up by language and archaeology, which provides concrete evidence about the spread of cultural innovations, the movements of people across the globe, the precise links between races, and the sheer unscientific absurdity of racism." (Google blurb). I've not read Cavalli-Sforza and am only aware of his reputation for work in cultural transmission, genetic differences, etc - have you read Cavalli-Sforza?

The chart you show doesn't speak directly to race or even the meaning of the differences illustrated.

Where are Muslims on your chart? I ask because the Rodoh thread you linked us to was full-on about Muslims in the context of race.

Frankly, Cavalli-Sforza's stuff seems to align with Coyne's argument with one important exception: AFAIK Cavalli-Sforza rejects the argument that race is a useful biological concept. Coyne doesn't: "Races (also called 'subspecies' or 'ecotypes') are simply populations of a species that are both geographically isolated and differ genetically in one or more traits," he then cites Homo Sapiens, as I posted. Which makes your conclusion - "We are told by our masters that biological race does not exist, and that is that" - both odd and dishonest.



I am not dodging anything. If you remember correctly what I said in the OP was this: " Many of the RODOH posters seem to believe in non linear evolution. This would seem to allow for a hierarchical ordering of the Homo sapien sub races. This would in some way give credence to National Socialist racial doctrine. Do you agree or disagree with this? I personally find their science based reasoning very compelling. Can you guys counter their arguments? Are the races equal?"

Please remember the views of the various RODOH posters are not necessarily also mine. Thus far you, SM, are the only "skeptic" here who has begun thinking about the questions I posed. If there are any cowards here surely it is your fellow "skeptics"? It was actually Werd who brought Muslims into the RODOH discussion. This is understandable as many of the invaders in the video included in the RODOH OP were Muslims.

I have not yet had sufficient time to study the literature on this topic to the degree I would like so please regard my posts as me thinking aloud for now.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
If you continue to dodge what you have been asked, we can only conclude that a) you are in robotic posting mode, simply dropping spam links and racist formulae into the thread without regard for what's been posted and b) you are a coward.


Those words would be better directed at Jeffk 1970 than me.

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Ian Hazard wrote:I have not yet had sufficient time to study the literature on this topic to the degree I would like so please regard my posts as me thinking aloud for now.


Maybe you should come back when you have.

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Ian Hazard wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
If you continue to dodge what you have been asked, we can only conclude that a) you are in robotic posting mode, simply dropping spam links and racist formulae into the thread without regard for what's been posted and b) you are a coward.


Those words would be better directed at Jeffk 1970 than me.


You just said you haven't devoted a lot of time on this, neither have I.

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ElectricMonk wrote:Ian, you're joking, right?

Yes, genetics have advanced dramatically, which is why it is curious that you present pre-Human Genome Project data.
Even more, why do you compare mitochondrial DNA instead of human genes?
mitDNA is useful for making ancestry trees, but they tell us nothing about phenotype.


"The same team of scientists compiled tables that give us the genetic distance separating 2,000 different human groups from one another. I’ve included a table in the text version of this program showing the relative genetic distance between a few of these. In it we see that while Englishmen have a genetic distance of 236 from Near Easterners, who in turn have a genetic distance of 229 from Asian Indians, the genetic distance separating Englishmen and East Africans is 1,163 — from West Africans 1,487 — and from Bantus 2,288.



Another startling fact relating to genetic distance is that, for most Europeans and Asians, the mother of a mixed-race child with a Bantu African father is more closely related to another member of her own ethnic group, randomly chosen off the streets, than she is to her own hybrid child. This has tremendous implications for familial and social cohesion, since the biological basis for such bonds is genetic kinship.

Fuerle explains:

“Compared to all the human genetic variation in the world, people in the same ethnic group can be almost as related to each other as a parent is to his child. (Salter, 2003, pp. 42, 67, 124, 327, 329). ‘… in most situations individuals have a larger genetic stake in their ethnic groups than in their families.’ (Salter, 2003, p. 37). Thus, [racialism] is in everyone’s genetic interest…. The concept of genetic distance has, however, been distorted by the egalitarians to show that everyone is genetically about the same. For example, in his January, 2000, State of the Union address, then President Bill Clinton stated, ‘We are all, regardless of race, 99.9 percent the same.’ The implication is that the remaining 0.1% will produce only trivial differences and can be ignored, but ‘one-tenth of 1 percent of 3 billion is a heck of a large number — 3 million nucleotide differences between two random genomes.’ (Anthropologist John Hawks)…. ‘We share 98.4 percent of our genes with chimpanzees, 95 percent with dogs, and 74 percent with microscopic roundworms. Only one chromosome determines if one is born male or female. There is no discernible difference in the DNA of a wolf and a Labrador retriever, yet their inbred behavioral differences are immense. Clearly, what’s meaningful is which genes differ and how they are patterned, not the percent of genes. A tiny number of genes can translate into huge functional differences.'”

But never mind all that. We are told by our masters that biological race does not exist, and that is that."

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Well, I expect Ian to show back up again in a few months, gripe about how mean we are to him, berate me for not immediately dropping everything to research evolution for him and then post another racist video.
Then vanish again.


Please don't lie Jeffk 1970. I have not posted any racist videos. Please apologize for attempting to mislead the forum.



You mean that video you posted with the guy ranting about races and showing us pictures of a black guy in a mugshot wasn't racist?

My apologies.


You must mean this video: https://vid.me/nmVw

Again you mislead the forum. Dr. Pierce's doctorate is in physics. He was discussing genetics and racial differences in an intelligent and articulate manner. In no way can his narration be described as ranting. If you had actually bothered watching the video you would know that. Jeff You really are an ignorant baboon.

Please stop wasting our time with your puerile gibbering.

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Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Well, I expect Ian to show back up again in a few months, gripe about how mean we are to him, berate me for not immediately dropping everything to research evolution for him and then post another racist video.
Then vanish again.


Please don't lie Jeffk 1970. I have not posted any racist videos. Please apologize for attempting to mislead the forum.



You mean that video you posted with the guy ranting about races and showing us pictures of a black guy in a mugshot wasn't racist?

My apologies.


You must mean this video: https://vid.me/nmVw

Again you mislead the forum. Dr. Pierce's doctorate is in physics. He was discussing genetics and racial differences in an intelligent and articulate manner. In no way can his narration be described as ranting. If you had actually bothered watching the video you would know that. Jeff You really are an ignorant baboon.

Please stop wasting our time with your puerile gibbering.



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Oh, little Ian. I really do promise that I will never put you on ignore.

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 25, 2017 4:00 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:I am not dodging anything.

Except the questions/requests in these posts:
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Ian Hazard wrote:If you remember correctly what I said in the OP was this: " Many of the RODOH posters seem to believe in non linear evolution. This would seem to allow for a hierarchical ordering of the Homo sapien sub races. This would in some way give credence to National Socialist racial doctrine. Do you agree or disagree with this? I personally find their science based reasoning very compelling. Can you guys counter their arguments? Are the races equal?"

Right, and you failed to define or provide scientific sources for your speculation.

Ian Hazard wrote:Please remember the views of the various RODOH posters are not necessarily also mine.

You were asked about this specifically, to tell us what you agreed with and not; you didn't.

Ian Hazard wrote:Thus far you, SM, are the only "skeptic" here who has begun thinking about the questions I posed.

LOL, first, I am not a "skeptic"; second, I "began" thinking about such questions decades ago. Don't flatter yourself.

Ian Hazard wrote:If there are any cowards here surely it is your fellow "skeptics"?

No, you're the coward still dodging simple, direct questions and requests.

Ian Hazard wrote:It was actually Werd who brought Muslims into the RODOH discussion.

Which you linked to. And then you failed to reply to this, "I attributed what was in the thread to you as you linked us to it and seem to believe it. If I was wrong, and if you believe it to be nonsense, fine, I'll accept that." Because you're cowardly.

Ian Hazard wrote:This is understandable as many of the invaders in the video included in the RODOH OP were Muslims.

Invaders? You mean like European colonizers? Crusaders?

But, again, what have Muslims to do with your racist theorizing? Why even bring Muslims into this discussion? Are you asking about population migration or race?

Ian Hazard wrote:I have not yet had sufficient time to study the literature on this topic to the degree I would like so please regard my posts as me thinking aloud for now.

I regard your posts as Fishian racist stupidity. You're welcome.
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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 25, 2017 4:01 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:
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If you continue to dodge what you have been asked, we can only conclude that a) you are in robotic posting mode, simply dropping spam links and racist formulae into the thread without regard for what's been posted and b) you are a coward.


Those words would be better directed at Jeffk 1970 than me.

They were directed to you.
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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 25, 2017 4:02 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:. . . Dr. Pierce's doctorate is in physics. He was discussing genetics and racial differences in an intelligent and articulate manner. . . .

What research has Pierce, a racist polemicist, done in evolution, genetics, and speciation? What has been peer-reviewed? Why are so afraid to answer simple questions?
. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 25, 2017 4:10 pm

bottom line: I know you. Most of us here know you. We know what to expect from you. I personally have no interest in playing cat and mouse with you. I also have no interest in reading racist rants about biology. I have learned about biology and evolution by reading, er, biologists and evolutionary scientists, not by following National Vanguard, Pierce and other racist propagandists.

short form: {!#%@} yourself.
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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby ElectricMonk » Thu May 25, 2017 4:30 pm

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I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
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1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.
- Douglas Adams

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Ian Hazard » Thu May 25, 2017 6:31 pm

It is clear from StatMech's last foul mouthed rant post that he is not at ease with this topic and well out of his depth. Fair enough, I can understand that. Will another "skeptic" now step up to the plate to replace StatMech?

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Ian Hazard » Thu May 25, 2017 6:38 pm

"Looking at the pictures I’ve included in the text version of this broadcast, take a look at the skulls typical of Asians, Whites, and Africans. These images and much of the facts in today’s broadcast are taken from Fuerle’s excellent book, Erectus Walks Amongst Us:


Asian skull

“Overall, the dome of the Asian skull is round and the face is flat. Although the Caucasian skull is a bit longer (top to bottom), it is very similar to the Asian skull, indicating that the Asians and Caucasians did not separate into two races all that long ago, or that there was interbreeding between their lineages. [Now study] the male African-American skull. Although this skull is described as being of an African-American, it has many African features. …The African skull is quite different from the Asian and Caucasian skulls, indicating a much greater genetic distance between Eurasians and Africans than between Europeans and Asians.


Caucasian skull

“Compared to Asian and Caucasian skulls, the African skull is narrower. The bones of the skull (and the rest of the body) are denser and thicker. The eye sockets are rounder and proportionately larger and the distance between them is greater. The slight bump at the top of the head suggests a “saggital keel,” a ridge along the top of the head from the forehead to the back of the skull for attaching chewing muscles and strengthening the skull from blows received in fighting. The opening for the nose is wider, the nose bones protrude less, and the teeth more massive, with the incisors meeting at an angle.


African-American skull

“The most noticeable difference, however, is the protruding jaw, a condition known as ‘prognathism,’ a trait found in apes and in ancient human fossil skulls, even those not from Africa. The considerable gap between the cheekbones (‘zygomatic arches’) and the indentation on the sides behind the eye sockets (‘post-orbital constriction’) indicate that the more massive jaw was serviced by powerful chewing muscles that passed through the gap.”

Prognathism is “the absence of facial flatness” or the protrusion of the upper and lower jaw into a more snout-like shape (Hanihara, 2000) and it can be measured:



“by means of the facial angle, the slope of the face from the forehead to the jaws. [The illustration I’ll include here] is by Camper, who first used the concept. In his drawings, Camper gives the facial angle as 70° for the “Negro” (i.e., Congoids); [The pre-humans] H. habilis and H. erectus also have a facial angle of about 70°. An angle of 60° has been given for the Hottentots and Bushmen, and 66.6° for the Australian aborigines…. (Baker, 1974, p. 281); orangutans have a facial angle of 58°. Camper regarded a facial angle of 100° as the epitome of beauty (Etcoff, 1999, pp. 42-43); Sub-Saharan Africans have ‘remarkable prognathism.’ (Hanihara, 2000).”


African woman

“…Simian prognathism (a protruding jaw with a recessed nose) is a very primitive trait that is characteristic of apes. A jutting jaw is needed if the teeth are large, plus it is an advantage in fighting as it permits a bigger bite and makes the eyes less vulnerable. (Howells, 1959, p. 125). One is reminded of the 1997 title fight in Las Vegas where Mike Tyson bit a piece out of the ear of WBA champ Evander Holyfield.”


Jaw comparison

“…[Another illustration] (Nature, Vol. 228) shows a comparison of the lower jaw (mandible) of an orangutan, a Negro, and a white. The rectangles illustrate the width and length of the jaws. The numbers are the percentages of the length to the width. When there is simian prognathism the jaw is long and narrow, as in the orangutan, and when the face is flat, as the white jaw is, the length is actually less than the width; as expected, the Negro jaw is in between the jaw of the orangutan and the jaw of the white.”

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Ian Hazard » Thu May 25, 2017 6:41 pm

Another primitive trait possessed by many Africans is the “saggital keel,” a ridge running front to back on the top of the skull, often partially or fully concealed by hair:


Homo habilis with saggital keel

“Saggital keels can be found in herbivores that require powerful muscles to grind up plant matter, e.g., the gorilla, and carnivores that need a powerful bite to kill larger prey, e.g., the bobcat. (Nickens, T.E., “Survivor,” National Wildlife, Aug.-Sept., 2008)”


James Ealy with saggital keel

Look at the pictures I’ve included of a prehuman Homo habilis skull with its saggital keel — and the very similar skull form visible in the photograph of Black killer James Ealy.

Another racial difference can be seen in the whites of the human eye, also called the sclera. Among Asians and Whites, the sclera is white. Among African-Americans it varies from yellowish to white, but in pure Africans it is usually yellowish. Among gorillas it is yellow, and in chimpanzees it is quite dark:

“A white sclera means that it is easier tell where a human is looking and know at whom speech or a facial expression is directed, thereby facilitating communications and cooperation, particularly of subtle and personal information. A white sclera suggests more complex social relationships and a larger brain that is capable of interpreting this additional information. It also indicates living among people trusted enough to reveal what one is thinking about and what actions one may take. The slightly yellowish sclera that has been reported in some Australian aborigines (Baker, 1974, p. 298) and adult male Africans may be due to the presence of melanin in their sclera and a less complete conversion to a white sclera.”

But never mind all that. We are told by our masters that biological race does not exist, and that is that."

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby ElectricMonk » Thu May 25, 2017 6:45 pm

Simple question Ian:
Do you expect different ethnic groups to diverge so much, genetically, in the next 2,000 years that they won't be able to interbreed?
I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
Spoiler:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.
- Douglas Adams

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 25, 2017 6:56 pm

Here are some excellent examples of Homo Superiorus:





Ian might be on to something.

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 25, 2017 7:05 pm

Well, this one seals it for me. Ian wins.

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 25, 2017 7:17 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:It is clear from StatMech's last foul mouthed rant post that he is not at ease with this topic and well out of his depth. Fair enough, I can understand that. Will another "skeptic" now step up to the plate to replace StatMech?

Exactly the opposite: I wrote that I have no interest in watching you dodge and squirm. You're boring, Chuckie.
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