Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

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Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Ian Hazard » Sun May 21, 2017 5:05 pm

Over at the RODOH forum Werd wrote the following:

We all know why you liberal idiots, such as holocaust controversies, refuse to talk about the refugee crisis. Because the stats prove they rape and murder and assault at rates disproportionate to their population in their new European countries. Why? Because it will somehow justify the rise of nazi-ism and a new holocaust will happen.

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2890#p105255


Many of the RODOH posters seem to believe in non linear evolution. This would seem to allow for a hierarchical ordering of the Homo sapien sub races. This would in some way give credence to National Socialist racial doctrine. Do you agree or disagree with this? I personally find their science based reasoning very compelling. Can you guys counter their arguments? Are the races equal?

This is the thread in question: https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2890#p105080

Here is the very disturbing video posted by Charles Traynor in the OP:

https://youtu.be/K0hD7IffTJs

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 5:35 pm

quoting yourself eh? LOL

now, seriously, troll, take a guess as to how many of "us" agree with Werd's ravings?
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Postby Ian Hazard » Sun May 21, 2017 5:45 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:quoting yourself eh? LOL

now, take a guess as to how many of "us" agree with Werd's ravings?


I don't want to take guesses. That's why I asked the question here.

You certainly do seem to fear the topic of non featherless bipedal evolution. I'll wait for a few of your colleagues to post and add some substance to the Skeptic position on this topic before responding further.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 5:46 pm

I fear the topic? How do you arrive at such a conclusion? What is my position btw?
. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817

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Postby Ian Hazard » Sun May 21, 2017 5:50 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:I fear the topic? How do you arrive at such a conclusion? What is my position btw?

I edited as you posted. You SM are not in this alone. I will wait until others of your ilk have posted on this topic before replying further.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 5:51 pm

Afraid to answer my questions? Ok, then.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun May 21, 2017 5:57 pm

I'm an ilk now?

Cool. Is there a graduation ceremony?

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Postby Ian Hazard » Sun May 21, 2017 6:00 pm

x2 ignoring the OP.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 6:04 pm

He links to a thread with random insults masquerading as "cases" - tosses in nonlinear evolution without explication - gives us a bit of William Piece via Norsewolf - sends us to analytical concepts like leftist retards - seems to conflate Muslims with a race although how would you be able to tell? - also seems to have made the shocking discoveries that slavery was a practice in Africa and that different groups of people do things differently and don't have the same values . . . I am reeling!
. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun May 21, 2017 6:13 pm

Well, werd convinced me. He linked to a Breitbart story, that immediately made the whole thing credible.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 6:17 pm

Last time I read on this topic I came across this argument, by an evolutionary scientist, not a racist conspiraloon or a Breitbart columnist:

* "Races (also called 'subspecies' or 'ecotypes') are simply populations of a species that are both geographically isolated and differ,,,,,, genetically in one or more traits. . . . Following this definition," Homo sapiens clearly does have races."
* "The existence of different races in humans shows that our populations were geographically separated long enough to allow some genetic diversity to,, occur."
* ". . . human physical variation occurs in nested groups, and in spite of valiant efforts by some to create formal divisions of races, exactly where one draws the line to demarcate a particular race is completely arbitrary. There are no sharp boundaries: the number of races recognized by anthropologists has,, ranged from three to more than thirty."
* "Looking at genes shows even more clearly the lack of sharp differences between races: virtually all the genetic variation uncovered by modern molecular,, techniques correlates weakly with the classical combinations . . . commonly used to determine race."
* "The DNA data shows that, overall, genetic differences among human populations are minor."
* About 10-15 percent of genetic variation occurs between races, and "85 to 90 percent, occurs among individuals within races.", ,,, 

* "Races are [not] merely mental constructs," citing as interesting the variation that leads to Tay-Sachs among Ashkenazi Jews and Louisiana Cajuns. 

* Differences in appearance seem to be evidence for both "adaptations to the different environments" and sexual selection." 

* "Nevertheless, most controversy about race centers not on physical differences between populations, but behavioral ones," like intelligence athleticism, and so on.
* "So what do the scientific data show? Almost nothing."
* "Although different populations may have different behaviors, different IQs, and different abilities, it's hard to rule out the possibility that . . . these differences are a nongenetic product of environmental or cultural differences," because there are no controlled experiments that "rule out these influences."
* However, "cross-cultural adoptions anecdotally show that cultural influences on behavior are strong."
* "My guess--and it is just informed speculation--is that human races are too young to have involved important differences in intellect and behavior," nor would natural selection necessarily favor these sorts of differences.

The overall argument is, first, that, although clear differences exist among population groups, there is not agreement on what the races of the world are and, second, as to the connection between race and behavior, intelligence, etc, it is not clear and not scientifically demonstrated--and, based on his experience, culture and other nongenetic factors seem to influence behavior more than race. We don't have scientific understanding of the connections which racists try making. Many people tend to mistake biases and prejudice for scientific understanding about race and that there are hard and fast conceptions of what are nested and gradated phenomena.,

(from Coyne, Why Evolution Is True. Coyne's specialty is speciation and evolutionary genetics and his research has focused on Drosophila. He is one of the leading authorities on species and co-author of Speciation, a book which has been described as "the first major summary of the data and ideas on speciation since "Animal Species and Evolution", Ernst Mayr's highly influential book published in 1963.")
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Postby Sergey_Romanov » Sun May 21, 2017 6:28 pm

Why quote the mentally disturbed Werd who lies about our Hans being Michael Peters?


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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun May 21, 2017 6:30 pm

Sergey_Romanov wrote:Why quote the mentally disturbed Werd who lies about our Hans being Michael Peters?


Werd recommended a book that stated Hitler was a British agent.
'Nuff said.

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Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Sun May 21, 2017 6:56 pm

The only thing mißing* in this thread is a "Remove Kebab" video.

* ( I have no idea how I typed the ß sign. My mobole phone only has Hebrew and English keyboards on it. LOL. It must be a sign...)
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Postby Ian Hazard » Sun May 21, 2017 7:39 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
SNIP..................

* "My guess--and it is just informed speculation--is

SNIP.................



Would you care to leave us a link to this Franz Boas inspired BS.


A truly terrified StatMech dishonestly conflates a number of posters thoughts into one. Then posts unsubstantiated BS to support his argument whilst supporters of the HC crowd circle nervously making pointless obfuscation posts.

Werd was spot on about you cowardly {!#%@}.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 7:43 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:Would you care to leave us a link to this Franz Boas inspired BS.

Can no do. It's a book. I gave you the name of it. The book. Those things you're allergic to. Not based on Boas but, as I noted, a contemporary scientist who is expert in speciation. Where do you get your wild "exaggerations and lies" other than Werd and Rodoh. "Great" sources.

I see you have no arguments to make, just irrelevant dismissive waves of the hand.

Ian Hazard wrote:A truly terrified StatMech dishonestly conflates a number of posters thoughts into one.

Silly. I conflated nothing but gave a quick, albeit random tour of the thread in one of my posts. I attributed what was in the thread to you as you linked us to it and seem to believe it. If I was wrong, and if you believe it to be nonsense, fine, I'll accept that.

Ian Hazard wrote:Werd was spot on about you cowardly {!#%@}.

Except he's never been here and engaged - and you have decided rather than to tackle Coyne's argument to post more attempted insults.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun May 21, 2017 7:47 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
SNIP..................

* "My guess--and it is just informed speculation--is

SNIP.................



Would you care to leave us a link to this Franz Boas inspired BS.


A truly terrified StatMech dishonestly conflates a number of posters thoughts into one. Then posts non credentialed to support his BS whilst supporters of the HC crowd circle nervously making pointless obfuscation posts.

Werd was spot on about you cowardly {!#%@}.


:lol:

The coward accuses us of being cowards.
We respond and you bitch.
You are pathetic, Ian. Werd is as well, along with those other pieces of Nazi crap that post on RODOH. If any of them had balls they would step out of their little echo chamber and come here. They don't because they know they can't hack it. Like you.

You know, Jim Rizoli and his little posse showed more balls than the rest of the RODOH crew. He at least tried (even if he failed miserably) and worse showed he was incapable of following a few simple rules but at least he tried. None of them can because they know they will be made fools of.

Here post this to RODOH.
Better yet, I'll do it myself.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 7:50 pm

Supposedly I was ignoring the OP and afraid to reply to it . . . LOL.
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Good God, Ian is such an annoying little {!#%@}.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 7:54 pm

I think he's funny, in that Fishian way.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun May 21, 2017 8:06 pm

For some reason I don't find him amusing today.

But, generally I do so I won't put him on ignore.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:Good God, Ian is such an annoying little {!#%@}.


Rather than constantly heckling me like some sort of mindless moron would you care to man up and take a stab at addressing the OP?

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 8:08 pm

Sorry, no, Ian Hazard. I checked, no Boas among Coyne's references. Coyne does however cite inter alia the following for the portions of his book which I summarized. Please be so kind as to summarize for us where and how he misinterprets or draws unwarranted conclusions from these research papers:

Barbujani, Magagni, Minch, & Cavalli-Sforza, An apportionment of human DNA diversity. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 94


Bustamante, et al., Natural selection on protein-coding genes in the human genome. Nature 437

Demuth, Bie, Stajich, Cristianini, & Hahn. The evolution of mammalian gene families. Public Library of Science ONE 1

Demuth, Przeworski, Fisher, Lai, Wiebe, Kitano, Monaco, & Pääbo, Molecular evolution of FOXP2, a gene involved in speech and language. Nature 418

King, & Wilson, Evolution at two levels in humans and chimpanzees. Science 188

Miller, Beleza, Pollen, Schluter, Kittles, Shriver, & Kingsley, cis-Regulatory changes in kit ligand expression and parallel evolution of pigmentation in sticklebacks and humans. Cell 131

Perry, et al., Diet and the evolution of human amylase gene copy number variation. Nature Genetics 39

Richmond & Jungers, Orrorin tugenensis femoral morphology and the evolution of hominin bipedalism. Science 298

Tishkoff, et al., Convergent adaptation of human lactase persistence in Africa and Europe. Nature Genetics 39

Wood, Hominid revelations from Chad. Nature 418
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Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Good God, Ian is such an annoying little {!#%@}.


Rather than constantly heckling me some sort of mindless moron would you care to man up and take a stab at addressing the OP?


I did, {!#%@}.

Anyway, I posted back to RODOH. Not that any of them will grow a pair and come play with us here.

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Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Good God, Ian is such an annoying little {!#%@}.


Rather than constantly heckling me like some sort of mindless moron would you care to man up and take a stab at addressing the OP?

He already did, but you ignored his posts doing so.
. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Good God, Ian is such an annoying little {!#%@}.


Rather than constantly heckling me some sort of mindless moron would you care to man up and take a stab at addressing the OP?


I did, {!#%@}.



All you have posted here is BS. Show me where you have responded in an intelligent manner to the OP in this topic.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Good God, Ian is such an annoying little {!#%@}.


Rather than constantly heckling me like some sort of mindless moron would you care to man up and take a stab at addressing the OP?

He already did, but you ignored his posts doing so.


Why are you still ignoring the OP StatMech?

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 8:16 pm

Hardly Ian. You didn't like, or more likely understand, my reply, apparently. Why are you ignoring the questions I asked you.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 8:17 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Good God, Ian is such an annoying little {!#%@}.


Rather than constantly heckling me some sort of mindless moron would you care to man up and take a stab at addressing the OP?


I did, {!#%@}.



All you have posted here is BS. Show me where you have responded in an intelligent manner to the OP in this topic.

Why should a dumbass post get serious replies? I mean, fss, you got serious replies, but you didn't deserve them.
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Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Ian Hazard wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Good God, Ian is such an annoying little {!#%@}.


Rather than constantly heckling me some sort of mindless moron would you care to man up and take a stab at addressing the OP?


I did, {!#%@}.



All you have posted here is BS. Show me where you have responded in an intelligent manner to the OP in this topic.


Really? Werd posted his usual BS, this time about crime. I posted two rebuttals. So, Ian, I did address your little topic. Stat Mech already provided rebuttals to the subhuman crap.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 8:20 pm

See, he is funny. He posts drivel. People reply. He pretends they didn't. Comedy classics. Fishian overtones.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:See, he is funny. He posts drivel. People reply. He pretends they didn't. Comedy classics. Fishian overtones.


Fair enough. No Holocaust believers posting here thus far believe in non linear evolution.

However, you can't hand wave away the following mainstream scientific beliefs which show non linear evolution does actually exist:

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Come on little, Jeff 1970, be a man for once and respond before StatMech speaks for you and shows the way for the faithful.

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Don't be scared Jeff. StatMech won't be mad if you {!#%@} up.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 8:45 pm

So you can't answer what I asked you, let alone define what the hell you're posting about. Another crap performance, Ian.

PS your chart doesn't show anything remotely novel or challenging to the summary I posted.
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LOL

Little Ian, you are back to amusing me.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun May 21, 2017 8:48 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:See, he is funny. He posts drivel. People reply. He pretends they didn't. Comedy classics. Fishian overtones.


Fair enough. No Holocaust believers posting here thus far believe in non linear evolution.

However, you can't hand wave away the following mainstream scientific beliefs which show non linear evolution does actually exist:

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Come on little, Jeff 1970, be a man for once and respond before StatMech speaks for you and shows the way for the faithful.


Little Ian, your chart shows the same information I learned while watching NatGeo.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 8:51 pm

He didn't discuss the papers I cited yet, did he?
. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817

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Re: Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 8:58 pm

Did he provide a source for his chart?
. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817


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