Are we witnessing the birth of a new racially awakened Europe?

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Postby Ian Hazard » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:56 pm

Read this and digest, Jeffk 1970:


All evolution — and I do mean all, from that of planarian worms to Tycho Brahe to the yellow wheat waving in the wind — results from small local variations eventually developing into races and subspecies, which themselves eventually branch off to form new species.

Life itself could not have developed without this process. So this process — which necessarily entails racial separation — is good, even sacred.

Without racial variation, and racial separation, evolution is impossible. The assertion that “race does not exist” requires us therefore to believe that evolution has somehow magically and permanently stopped, just for human beings — a claim quite on a par with belief in goblins or the Rapture, and Charles Fourier’s delusion that if his social ideas were adopted, the oceans would turn to lemonade.


http://nationalvanguard.org/2017/07/let ... delusions/

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:06 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:Read this and digest, Jeffk 1970:


All evolution — and I do mean all, from that of planarian worms to Tycho Brahe to the yellow wheat waving in the wind — results from small local variations eventually developing into races and subspecies, which themselves eventually branch off to form new species.

Life itself could not have developed without this process. So this process — which necessarily entails racial separation — is good, even sacred.

Without racial variation, and racial separation, evolution is impossible. The assertion that “race does not exist” requires us therefore to believe that evolution has somehow magically and permanently stopped, just for human beings — a claim quite on a par with belief in goblins or the Rapture, and Charles Fourier’s delusion that if his social ideas were adopted, the oceans would turn to lemonade.


http://nationalvanguard.org/2017/07/let ... delusions/


Hey, you remembered your source this time!!!!
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:06 pm

Boldface means he's getting serious, Jeff. Better watch out.
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Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:11 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:not really, he's here to plagiarize this: http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/2017/07 ... delusions/ without bothering to edit out poor Aubrey


If my intent were to plagiarize the picture links would not have led back to the source page. In my haste to post I simply forgot the link. I do not like being slandered and your name is now on a list.


Add me to your little wank-off list too {!#%@}.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:16 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:Read this and digest, Jeffk 1970:


[All evolution — and I do mean all, from that of planarian worms to Tycho Brahe to the yellow wheat waving in the wind — results from small local variations eventually developing into races and subspecies, which themselves eventually branch off to form new species.


Really?????


Life itself could not have developed without this process. So this process — which necessarily entails racial separation — is good, even sacred.


No!!!!!!

Without racial variation, and racial separation, evolution is impossible. The assertion that “race does not exist” requires us therefore to believe that evolution has somehow magically and permanently stopped, just for human beings — a claim quite on a par with belief in goblins or the Rapture, and Charles Fourier’s delusion that if his social ideas were adopted, the oceans would turn to lemonade.


Except that evolution has continued and mankind evolved many different variations to survive in the environments they dwelled in.

Christ, this is what you get when you read things like the National Vanguard.

Ian, evolution is continuing today.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/30795/5-signs-humans-are-still-evolving

On that list is the fact that humans are losing their wisdom teeth:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/27529-missing-wisdom-teeth.html

We are doing that because our jaws are getting smaller, Ian.

Everybody's jaws are getting smaller:

Perhaps 10 to 25 percent of Americans of European ancestry are missing at least one third molar, Mann said. For African Americans and Asian Americans, the figure is 11 percent and 40 percent, respectively, he said. But the Inuit, a group of people who live in the Arctic regions of Canada, Greenland and Alaska, have the fewest wisdom teeth; about 45 percent of them lack one or more third molar, he said.


Whoa, shock, us white people are behind the curve, Ian.

So, basically, I think you and your source is full of crap.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:21 pm

Is there a biologist in the house?
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:38 pm

Apparently not in Ian's house. He needs to watch more Discovery Channel.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:27 am

Ian Hazard wrote: Life itself could not have developed without this process. So this process — which necessarily entails racial separation — is good, even sacred.


This is just insane and has nothing to do with evolution. Early humans like Paranthropus robustus simply evolved as vegetarian and lived in the same location as omnivorous Australopithecus. The gene pool separation doesn't simply mean they have to go to different locations.

Ian....would you like to have a formal debate on this?

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:38 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Ian Hazard wrote: Life itself could not have developed without this process. So this process — which necessarily entails racial separation — is good, even sacred.


This is just insane and has nothing to do with evolution. Early humans like Paranthropus robustus simply evolved as vegetarian and lived in the same location as omnivorous Australopithecus. The gene pool separation doesn't simply mean they have to go to different locations.

Ian....would you like to have a formal debate on this?



Doubtful, Matthew. Our little white nationalist really isn't interested in debate. He pops up on occasion, berates us and then vanishes for weeks at a time.

He flirts with denial but stops short of admitting it. His particular bugaboo is Jews, he likes linking us to racist dumbasses but doesn't bother to fact check, leaving him looking like a moron.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:09 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Our little white nationalist really isn't interested in debate. He pops up on occasion, posts excerpted or plagiarized spam from ethonationalist websites or links to racist/anti-Semitic sites like Rodoh, berates us and then vanishes for weeks at a time.

He flirts with denial but stops short of admitting it. His particular bugaboo is Jews, but he also has said that Muslims are "invaders" of the west and, with his links, implied that Muslims are a race and racial danger, he likes linking us to racist dumbasses but doesn't bother to fact check, leaving him looking like a moron.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:09 pm

pure mutation and selection is not enough to create races: distance and time is also necessary - and even then, it is usually not enough.
We have very strong reason to believe that early humans still mated with pre-human primates, and homo sapiens with other forms of hominides, all with fertile offspring.
This makes the race-species distinction very hard in the case of humans.

The weakening of this difference follows direct observations from gene-drift between organisms that we thought of as separate species: bears, for example, from polar to Asian varieties can and do mate when given the opportunity. Tigers and lions can.

In short, biologically speaking, race has lost almost all its meaning and is now mostly a term of convenience.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:27 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:pure mutation and selection is not enough to create races: distance and time is also necessary - and even then, it is usually not enough.
We have very strong reason to believe that early humans still mated with pre-human primates, and homo sapiens with other forms of hominides, all with fertile offspring.
This makes the race-species distinction very hard in the case of humans.

The weakening of this difference follows direct observations from gene-drift between organisms that we thought of as separate species: bears, for example, from polar to Asian varieties can and do mate when given the opportunity. Tigers and lions can.

In short, biologically speaking, race has lost almost all its meaning and is now mostly a term of convenience.


This is my belief as well. What we call "human races" are simply varieties of the same race, shaped by particular mutations and the environments they dwell in. Even this is blurring with many different types of ethnicities living, working and having children together.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:06 pm

In Scandinavian countries, the neo-Nazi Nordic Resistance Movement and other racist groups make use of Viking runes and other Viking symbols in their propaganda, to foster a sense that these groups have pure Nordic racial roots. There has even emerged, in response, a group of Viking enthusiasts, calling itself Vikingar mot rasism (Vikings against Racism), protesting the far right's appropriation of Viking heritage.

Now there is this bit of troubling news about Viking heritage:
A Swedish university [sic - this is after all from The Grauniad] has discovered Arabic characters for “Allah” and “Ali” woven into Viking burial clothes. Researchers at Uppsala University describe the finding of the geometric Kufic characters in silver on woven bands of silk as “staggering”. . . . The finding contradicts theories that Islamic objects in Viking graves are only the result of plunder or trade because, she explained, “the inscriptions appear in typical Viking age clothing that have their counterparts in preserved images of Valkyries . . . Presumably, Viking age burial customs were influenced by Islam and the idea of an eternal life in paradise after death.”

. . . There have been finds of more than 100,000 Islamic silver coins known as dirhams in Viking-age Scandinavia. DNA analysis of Viking graves has also shown that some of them contain people who originated in Persia. . . .

Damn, "racial" pollution and the Islamicization and mongrelization of White Europe sure have some deep roots. Just remember that when the Nordic Resistance Movement waves its green flag, emblazoned with the Tyr-rune, also used by an SS Division, that they are only celebrating multiculturalism dating back to perhaps the 10th century, as practiced in Gamla Uppsala and other Viking centers.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:21 pm

What's worse for people like Ian, been-there, Charles Traynor, etc. is that studies now link the roots of Ashkenazi Jews to Europeans.

This means they were White all along!!!!!!

:shock:

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Postby KevinLevites » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:25 am

ElectricMonk wrote:pure mutation and selection is not enough to create races: distance and time is also necessary - and even then, it is usually not enough.
We have very strong reason to believe that early humans still mated with pre-human primates, and homo sapiens with other forms of hominides, all with fertile offspring.
This makes the race-species distinction very hard in the case of humans.

The weakening of this difference follows direct observations from gene-drift between organisms that we thought of as separate species: bears, for example, from polar to Asian varieties can and do mate when given the opportunity. Tigers and lions can.

In short, biologically speaking, race has lost almost all its meaning and is now mostly a term of convenience.


I agree, and you make some points that I hadn't considered.

I get annoyed at the double standards of racists (see one of Ian's earlier posts) when they discuss things like evolution and how things evolve.

I tend to discount the supposed inferior/superior "no miscegnation" arguments for some very simple reasons.

We are technological beings.

If a person is "genetically inferior" because they have substandard eyesight, we use glasses. If someone has haemophilia, we inject a clotting factor. If someone has learning disabilities, we use special education.

And so on.

I always find it interesting how the white nationalists point out that African-American men are much more likely to be rapists (in their minds), yet remain silent on how serial killers are, overwhelmingly, white men.

I don't buy into any of this racist horse sh-t, but, for a moment, let's assume it's true just so I can make a point.

If white people are more likely to be serial killers, perhaps miscegnation is a good thing to dilute that tendancy. The African-Americans' tendency to be a rapist would be similarly diluted, and everybody wins.

Of course this is all nonsense anyway.

I can't really claim to be objective, though, because I am--in terms of my genes--a Heinz 57 kind of person, if you get my drift.

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Postby Gord » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:26 pm

KevinLevites wrote:...if you get my drift.

Would've been funnier if you'd said, "if you get my genetic drift". ;)
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:57 pm

KevinLevites wrote: In short, biologically speaking, race has lost almost all its meaning and is now mostly a term of convenience.
No. Race has all its original meaning, which always has been: not much. Hard core pure, is still hard core pure.....not lessening in not much meaning just because there are a whole lot more mixed people.

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KevinLevites wrote: We are technological beings.

If a person is "genetically inferior" because they have substandard eyesight, we use glasses. If someone has haemophilia, we inject a clotting factor. If someone has learning disabilities, we use special education.

And so on.
I hadn't thought of that corrective much before......but there are still lots of conditions/variation that are not correctable.........but then with gene therapy coming on strong, that too can be addressed. Its a change that is not part of the standard model. Something to think about.
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KevinLevites wrote: I don't buy into any of this racist horse sh-t, but, for a moment, let's assume it's true just so I can make a point.

If white people are more likely to be serial killers, perhaps miscegnation is a good thing to dilute that tendancy. The African-Americans' tendency to be a rapist would be similarly diluted, and everybody wins.
Doesn't standard genetics say the offspring will be varied? Meaning: there is NO AUTOMATIC dilution of whatever the concerned trait is: there could be a spread of the bad trait unless you KILL THE UNWANTED TRAITS. Not normally done with hoomans.

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KevinLevites wrote: Of course this is all nonsense anyway.
No. Its mostly meaningless, but the nonsense is the racial bigotry overlay which is a totally separate issue.


KevinLevites wrote: I can't really claim to be objective, though, because I am--in terms of my genes--a Heinz 57 kind of person, if you get my drift.
Ahem: objectivity is not a racial/dna determined result.
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Postby KevinLevites » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:23 pm

I just meant to point out a possible conflict in my arguments since I am a little mixed in some ways, and it could be suggested that I have a vested interest in certian things.

Race is, to me, meaningless.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:28 pm

KevinLevites wrote:I just meant to point out a possible conflict in my arguments since I am a little mixed in some ways, and it could be suggested that I have a vested interest in certian things.

Race is, to me, meaningless.


Agreed. I don’t believe in races though I do agree there are ethnic identities. Essentially we are all humans, we just look different due to genetic variations.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:52 pm

Monolithic politically correct non-think.

Its like finding that some group advocates that two plus two is five, so you reject math as a theory.

Think past other people's stupidity.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:01 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Think past other people's stupidity.


I’m trying to but you keep posting.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:13 pm

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.............thats not what I meant! :slapfight:
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.............thats not what I meant! :slapfight:


Bobbo, be nice to the new members. We want to keep them.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Disagreement is the highest form of love.


Your problem is your wording and your sheer enjoyment of bogging down any discussion in pointless prattle.
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Yes.
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or..... No.
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Pros and Cons to all we do.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:14 pm

It’s worse than damned kudzu.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:43 pm

Damn, I think you are right.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/James-dickey-kudzu-annotated

Blast from the past, BTW. Took me a minute and google to help.
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Postby Sailor Haumea » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:47 pm

Anyone who takes Lynn, Rushton, or Jensen seriously is an idiot. Their research was debunked years ago. For instance, Lynn knowingly withheld or ignored data that didn't support his racist viewpoint, excluding high IQ scores in Nigerian data. He also took IQ scores from a school for retarded children in Spain and claimed that they were IQ scores from Ghana!
Meanwhile, Rushton believes that there is an inverse correlation between intelligence and penis size. His basis? Oh, he asked random people about their partner's dick size and how far they could ejaculate.
"Race realism" is a mockery of science, which ignores the work of experts like Lewontin, Witherspoon, et al.
I can't believe there are "skeptics" here who fell hook, line, and sinker for this drivel.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:48 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:I can't believe there are "skeptics" here who fell hook, line, and sinker for this drivel.

Me neither. Who did?
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