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Re: Documentaries

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:54 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:in lieu of a more appropriate thread, I am posting this here: Alon Confino said at a conference in 2012, “you didn’t have to imagine Babi Yar if you already imagined a world without Jews . . . what we call the Holocaust was representable, was imaginable . . . somehow people had ways.” 1920s movie restored: "The City without Jews"



Aly discusses this, there were books written at that time with that theme.
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:48 am

My wife and I watched Downfall tonight. A friend told me that through it all the ending is happy. I thought the movie was really good. Ganz was superb.

(I happen to be reading about the battle of Berlin in Erickson, which fit nicely.)
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:49 am

I’ve watched bits and pieces of Downfall, never the whole thing.
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:49 pm

before last night, I'd only seen the various "Downfall" parodies :)
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:29 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:before last night, I'd only seen the various "Downfall" parodies :)



https://youtu.be/QSYk8ofhYFY

:D

I watched some of it when it was on Netflix, it’s not there anymore.
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:34 am

that one is funny!

tonight we watched The Big Red One, with Lee Marvin and friggin' Mark Hamill, excellent movie
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:48 am

That's a blast from the past.
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:14 am

waaaay baaaack LOL but quite good, another one I'd never seen . . .
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:25 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:waaaay baaaack LOL but quite good, another one I'd never seen . . .


How is it I’ve seen it before you have????

:D

The odd thing is I always enjoyed the old war movies, The Dirty Dozen, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Patton, The Guns of Navarone, etc. I used to watch them with my dad.

On the other hand, maybe they were just crap and I’m looking back on them with fond nostalgia.... :lol:
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:29 am

Lee Marvin was in The Dirty Dozen, so it was by definition not crap :)
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:32 am

Now you are putting me in the mood to watch something like that.

One I’ve never seen is “Night of the Generals,” a friend recommended it a long time ago but I never got a chance to watch it. Less of a war movie, more of a mystery.
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:32 pm

I tried to watch something called “The Wannsee Conference” on Prime Video. I made better documentary films while at school, didn’t bother.
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:59 pm

Was it as good as a BROI special?
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:07 pm

You know, I’ve never seen one of the rabbit’s masterpieces.

I can tell you it didn’t make me laugh like one of Eric Hunt’s messterpieces... :lol:
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:12 pm

I can recall only two of BROI's specials. One was overkill on a dubious Majdanek testimony in which he tucked a few bits of dishonest BS. The other was a short, hysterical - and thoroughly dishonest - reaction, featuring his usual docu-porn approach, to posts I made in this forum discussing Majdanek with Nessie. I might have seen others - I am pretty sure I did - but I can't recall them.

Hunt's videos were consistently terrible - they were torture to watch; I cannot imagine anyone but the faithful, and apparently Nessie, sitting through them and falling for them.
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:54 pm

I only watched a little of Hunt’s crapfest videos, they alternately made me laugh and cringe.
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:11 pm

Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I watched the documentary "Nazi Concentration Camps" on Netflix yesterday.
American occupation forces documented the various concentration camps as they liberated them, this movie is the result.
They talked about the following:
Hadamar (not a concentration camp)
Leipzig (camp near the town)
Penig (camp near the town)
Ohrdruff (Patton and Eisenhower documented as examining) One interesting thing documented is a grill system used to burn bodies. It's amazing how prevalent this system of burning was.
Breendonck in Belgium
Hanover
Nordhausen
Belsen
Dachau (gas chamber shown and demonstrated)
Mauthausen
Buchenwald

The images of corpses and starving prisoners still burn. Victims showed the results of torture. A US officer testified on camera about the existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen. I know we've discussed this bit before.

There were obvious issues with this, camps were described as "death camps," a misconception understandable at the time.
I was reluctant to watch this, but, it was not bad. If nothing else it showed the conditions in the camps at the end of the war.



Night Will Fall also mentions the grill system to burn bodies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Mca34lwgM


Also described in a letter of one of the American soldiers who entered the camp after liberation:

“As we approached this next “attraction” it looked as if someone had been digging huge holes. Nearby was a charred piece of field-perhaps twenty feet by ten in dimensions. It looks as if someone had a log fire at one time. As you get very close, though, you realize they did have a log fire, with human beings as logs. Visible are the forms of men-heads, backbones, ribs, legs, all blackened and charred. Here, too, the Germans were systematic. They constructed parallel rails, somewhat like a railroad, and placed them cross wise on this, making sure the rails were elevated so a draft would come up underneath the bodies.”

Daniel Blatman, Page 146, The Death Marches
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 06, 2018 11:34 pm

My wife and I have started watching Band of Brothers - it's only 17 years old . . . :)
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon May 07, 2018 5:44 pm

moved to proper thread!
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 12:29 pm

I have to say that Band of Brothers is really good. The action scenes are harrowing to watch but excellent.

So now a question: a friend recommended "Babylon Berlin" to me. Anyone watched it?
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Re: Documentaries

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:51 am

This is a cool graphic listing the German advance into the USSR in 1941.
https://mobile.twitter.com/history1history/status/1002389930369277952
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Re: Documentaries

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I watched the documentary "Nazi Concentration Camps" on Netflix yesterday.
American occupation forces documented the various concentration camps as they liberated them, this movie is the result.
They talked about the following:
Hadamar (not a concentration camp)
Leipzig (camp near the town)
Penig (camp near the town)
Ohrdruff (Patton and Eisenhower documented as examining) One interesting thing documented is a grill system used to burn bodies. It's amazing how prevalent this system of burning was.
Breendonck in Belgium
Hanover
Nordhausen
Belsen
Dachau (gas chamber shown and demonstrated)
Mauthausen
Buchenwald

The images of corpses and starving prisoners still burn. Victims showed the results of torture. A US officer testified on camera about the existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen. I know we've discussed this bit before.

There were obvious issues with this, camps were described as "death camps," a misconception understandable at the time.
I was reluctant to watch this, but, it was not bad. If nothing else it showed the conditions in the camps at the end of the war.



Night Will Fall also mentions the grill system to burn bodies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Mca34lwgM


Also described in a letter of one of the American soldiers who entered the camp after liberation:

“As we approached this next “attraction” it looked as if someone had been digging huge holes. Nearby was a charred piece of field-perhaps twenty feet by ten in dimensions. It looks as if someone had a log fire at one time. As you get very close, though, you realize they did have a log fire, with human beings as logs. Visible are the forms of men-heads, backbones, ribs, legs, all blackened and charred. Here, too, the Germans were systematic. They constructed parallel rails, somewhat like a railroad, and placed them cross wise on this, making sure the rails were elevated so a draft would come up underneath the bodies.”

Daniel Blatman, Page 146, The Death Marches


Was the railroad cremating site he described because of typhus?

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:00 pm

mark_gr wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I watched the documentary "Nazi Concentration Camps" on Netflix yesterday.
American occupation forces documented the various concentration camps as they liberated them, this movie is the result.
They talked about the following:
Hadamar (not a concentration camp)
Leipzig (camp near the town)
Penig (camp near the town)
Ohrdruff (Patton and Eisenhower documented as examining) One interesting thing documented is a grill system used to burn bodies. It's amazing how prevalent this system of burning was.
Breendonck in Belgium
Hanover
Nordhausen
Belsen
Dachau (gas chamber shown and demonstrated)
Mauthausen
Buchenwald

The images of corpses and starving prisoners still burn. Victims showed the results of torture. A US officer testified on camera about the existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen. I know we've discussed this bit before.

There were obvious issues with this, camps were described as "death camps," a misconception understandable at the time.
I was reluctant to watch this, but, it was not bad. If nothing else it showed the conditions in the camps at the end of the war.



Night Will Fall also mentions the grill system to burn bodies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Mca34lwgM


Also described in a letter of one of the American soldiers who entered the camp after liberation:

“As we approached this next “attraction” it looked as if someone had been digging huge holes. Nearby was a charred piece of field-perhaps twenty feet by ten in dimensions. It looks as if someone had a log fire at one time. As you get very close, though, you realize they did have a log fire, with human beings as logs. Visible are the forms of men-heads, backbones, ribs, legs, all blackened and charred. Here, too, the Germans were systematic. They constructed parallel rails, somewhat like a railroad, and placed them cross wise on this, making sure the rails were elevated so a draft would come up underneath the bodies.”

Daniel Blatman, Page 146, The Death Marches


Was the railroad cremating site he described because of typhus?



Quite possibly, yes. Or starved prisoners.

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Re: Documentaries

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I watched the documentary "Nazi Concentration Camps" on Netflix yesterday.
American occupation forces documented the various concentration camps as they liberated them, this movie is the result.
They talked about the following:
Hadamar (not a concentration camp)
Leipzig (camp near the town)
Penig (camp near the town)
Ohrdruff (Patton and Eisenhower documented as examining) One interesting thing documented is a grill system used to burn bodies. It's amazing how prevalent this system of burning was.
Breendonck in Belgium
Hanover
Nordhausen
Belsen
Dachau (gas chamber shown and demonstrated)
Mauthausen
Buchenwald

The images of corpses and starving prisoners still burn. Victims showed the results of torture. A US officer testified on camera about the existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen. I know we've discussed this bit before.

There were obvious issues with this, camps were described as "death camps," a misconception understandable at the time.
I was reluctant to watch this, but, it was not bad. If nothing else it showed the conditions in the camps at the end of the war.



Night Will Fall also mentions the grill system to burn bodies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Mca34lwgM


Also described in a letter of one of the American soldiers who entered the camp after liberation:

“As we approached this next “attraction” it looked as if someone had been digging huge holes. Nearby was a charred piece of field-perhaps twenty feet by ten in dimensions. It looks as if someone had a log fire at one time. As you get very close, though, you realize they did have a log fire, with human beings as logs. Visible are the forms of men-heads, backbones, ribs, legs, all blackened and charred. Here, too, the Germans were systematic. They constructed parallel rails, somewhat like a railroad, and placed them cross wise on this, making sure the rails were elevated so a draft would come up underneath the bodies.”

Daniel Blatman, Page 146, The Death Marches



From "The Liberators" :

"While the horror of a pit filled with the decomposing bodies of slave laborers is incomprehensible, Irzyk saw something worse as he continued to explore Ohrdruf. “The cadavers were stacked on a grill of logs and rails, and firemen with their spruce and pine kept the fires hot and blazing.” Later, he learned that captured SS guards had told interrogators that between December and April, perhaps two or three thousand corpses had been burned in the woods near the camp. The evidence was all around. “The ash was shin high, and the skulls were all over the place. We saw fragments of skin that had not burned.”
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