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Amazon stops selling more than 70 Holocaust denial books

Postby nickterry » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:23 pm

My summary of a surprisingly underreported story. This all went down late afternoon or early evening yesterday without any announcement from Amazon, who did not respond to queries from the Jewish Chronicle and at least one other news site to explain why they decided to pull denial books (but not all such books, and not that much grade-A antisemitica) from sale

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... an-70.html

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Postby Balsamo » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:38 pm

The news makes some people on codoh dreaming of a wealthy future:

Couple days ago I was reading about various Jewish groups, after having realized just how much revisionist material was on sale on the world's favorite internet marketplace, had begun exerting incredible pressure on Jeff Bezos, CEO of amazon, to pull all revisionist material.

It seems (((they))) have finally gotten to Jeff Bezos, every holocaust handbook is gone.

G.O.N.E.

Thomas Dalton, Nicholas Kollerstrom, Arthur Butz, Peter Winter, Carlo Mattogno, Gerard Menuhin...

I guess CODOH's webstore sales will soar in the months to come.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:40 pm

Oops, I just opened a thread on this.

I'll just post my reply and delete my thread.

Per Holocaust Comtroversies, Amazon dropped a bunch of denier titles from their catalog, both Kindle and physical titles.

I don't consider this any great loss, for those interested in reading them many of the "Holocaust Handbooks" are available as free downloads.

I read my first "Holocaust Handbook" through Amazon awhile back, I get certain titles for free as a Prime Member. I also read a craptastic book called "The Bad War" by M.S. King at the urging of Jim Rizoli, who insisted it would change my life. I've never forgiven him for inflicting that awful piece of crap on me and I never will. "The Bad War" was among the titles banished, this move undoubtedly saved some poor schmuck from reading it by mistake.

Undoubtedly this will cause a great conniption fit amongst deniers. They will call it "censorship" and blame Jews for doing it (there were complaints) but the reality is that as a private company Amazon is free to carry whatever it chooses. The books are still there, many for free or available at the publisher's website.

I don't really feel one way or another about this, I found it interesting. I completely disagree with censorship unless the material is blatantly harmful (child pornography) or potentially dangerous to society (a step-by-step manual for making methamphetamine). I have no objection to deniers peddling their stupidity to the public, after all, it's also available in some form or fashion on YouTube as well.

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Postby Mary Q Contrary » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:04 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Oops, I just opened a thread on this.

I'll just post my reply and delete my thread.

Per Holocaust Comtroversies, Amazon dropped a bunch of denier titles from their catalog, both Kindle and physical titles.

I don't consider this any great loss, for those interested in reading them many of the "Holocaust Handbooks" are available as free downloads.

I read my first "Holocaust Handbook" through Amazon awhile back, I get certain titles for free as a Prime Member. I also read a craptastic book called "The Bad War" by M.S. King at the urging of Jim Rizoli, who insisted it would change my life. I've never forgiven him for inflicting that awful piece of crap on me and I never will. "The Bad War" was among the titles banished, this move undoubtedly saved some poor schmuck from reading it by mistake.

Undoubtedly this will cause a great conniption fit amongst deniers. They will call it "censorship" and blame Jews for doing it (there were complaints) but the reality is that as a private company Amazon is free to carry whatever it chooses. The books are still there, many for free or available at the publisher's website.

I don't really feel one way or another about this, I found it interesting. I completely disagree with censorship unless the material is blatantly harmful (child pornography) or potentially dangerous to society (a step-by-step manual for making methamphetamine). I have no objection to deniers peddling their stupidity to the public, after all, it's also available in some form or fashion on YouTube as well.

Funny you should mention that. Uncle Festers Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture is still available on Amazon.
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Postby Aaron Richards » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:09 pm

Youtube is now the only bastion left with which holocaust deniers can introduce their material and world view to the broad public.

I am a proponent of free speech, but then this whole "a private company can host or ban the content it pleases" argument is looking better each day. Come to think of it, the google search engine is also not owned by the government ;)

I'm not supposed to be happy at censorship. Still. Seeing the perpetual smirk wiped of deniers' collective faces for JUST ONE DAY makes me:

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:27 pm

Mary Q Contrary wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Oops, I just opened a thread on this.

I'll just post my reply and delete my thread.

Per Holocaust Comtroversies, Amazon dropped a bunch of denier titles from their catalog, both Kindle and physical titles.

I don't consider this any great loss, for those interested in reading them many of the "Holocaust Handbooks" are available as free downloads.

I read my first "Holocaust Handbook" through Amazon awhile back, I get certain titles for free as a Prime Member. I also read a craptastic book called "The Bad War" by M.S. King at the urging of Jim Rizoli, who insisted it would change my life. I've never forgiven him for inflicting that awful piece of crap on me and I never will. "The Bad War" was among the titles banished, this move undoubtedly saved some poor schmuck from reading it by mistake.

Undoubtedly this will cause a great conniption fit amongst deniers. They will call it "censorship" and blame Jews for doing it (there were complaints) but the reality is that as a private company Amazon is free to carry whatever it chooses. The books are still there, many for free or available at the publisher's website.

I don't really feel one way or another about this, I found it interesting. I completely disagree with censorship unless the material is blatantly harmful (child pornography) or potentially dangerous to society (a step-by-step manual for making methamphetamine). I have no objection to deniers peddling their stupidity to the public, after all, it's also available in some form or fashion on YouTube as well.

Funny you should mention that. Uncle Festers Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture is still available on Amazon.



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Postby Aaron Richards » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:11 am

I'm looking forward to the fallout that will happen over the coming weekend.
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Postby Aaron Richards » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:11 am

Balsamo wrote:The news makes some people on codoh dreaming of a wealthy future


The 2nd reply is even funnier:

Wow. Absolutely unbelievable. I didn't believe it till I checked. They're gone.

On the other hand, searching for Arthur Butz on Amazon did turn up a rare find .... Big Butz B-B-Q Sauce.


Notice how said sentence has been deleted now, either by the poster or a mod on codoh. Thats why that forum is dead.
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Postby Xcalibur » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:34 am

Barnes and Noble still selling certain Rudolf, M&G titles...

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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:09 am

From Nick's article at HC, "It will also be interesting to see whether the media can get Amazon to go on record explaining their decision, and why they removed the 70-plus titles but left many dozens of virulently antisemitic books on sale." and "nearly all of the titles are widely available as free downloads on many different websites" - AFAIK, Amazon frequently drops what doesn't sell (I dimly remember some complaint by some crank about "censoring" when it simply was not in Amazon's interest to sit on his crap no one bought). Maybe looking into the matter floated up and to their attention what they would normally purge?

ETA Complaints might also be an additional factor. I know they keep highly critiqued NewAge sewage as long as it moves well...

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btw, Nick, love your puppies. 8-)

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Postby Xcalibur » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:10 am

Balsamo wrote:The news makes some people on codoh dreaming of a wealthy future:

Couple days ago I was reading about various Jewish groups, after having realized just how much revisionist material was on sale on the world's favorite internet marketplace, had begun exerting incredible pressure on Jeff Bezos, CEO of amazon, to pull all revisionist material.

It seems (((they))) have finally gotten to Jeff Bezos, every holocaust handbook is gone.

G.O.N.E.

Thomas Dalton, Nicholas Kollerstrom, Arthur Butz, Peter Winter, Carlo Mattogno, Gerard Menuhin...

I guess CODOH's webstore sales will soar in the months to come.


They can dream on. 320 million US citizens and <, what, 3,000 have bothered to read this {!#%@}? It's landfill-fodder.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:42 am

Every Tom, Dick and Harry doesn't have an inviolable right to use Amazon's platform and brand to spew nonsense? Seriously?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeff_36 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:07 am

I think that this is great news. Now Joe Regular won't stumble onto a copy of Dalton's malicious, underhanded screed and get sucked into denial. This is about protecting vulnerable minds.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Every Tom, Dick and Harry doesn't have an inviolable right to use Amazon's platform and brand to spew nonsense? Seriously?


No worries, for all the bombastic "censorship" spew, they don't like lawyers (until they really need one).

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:08 am

The Barnes Review is also mourning and charges Yad Vashem but at the same time thinks is a good opportunity to sell some garbage on a discount ('Let’s face it. We’re angry and we want as many people to have this book in their hands as possible'). Oh, no kidding, 'the World’s Most Banned book':
https://archive.is/Bmf5r#selection-793.35-793.63

- Yad Vashem Brings Hammer Down on Amazon
Israel’s official “holocaust” ™ museum, Yad Vashem, has finally succeeded in censoring the Internet by getting retail giant Amazon (CEO Jeff Bezos worth $66.5 billion) to completely remove all books dealing with holocaust revisionism from its virtual shelves.

Yad Vashem singled out a number of books, but focused on one in particular: Peter Winter’s epic The Six Million: Fact or Fiction. It’s been wiped clean from Amazon, as if it never existed.

That’s right: Thanks to pressure from the Zionist lobby, from this day forward, you will no longer be able to buy this book through Amazon, even though we have broken no U.S. laws. This is a clear violation of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

If you are not outraged, you ought to be. It’s a modern-day book-burning on a scale unheard of in recorded history—and that’s no exaggeration. More than 100 other related books were also banned in one fell swoop.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:59 am

Xcalibur wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Every Tom, Dick and Harry doesn't have an inviolable right to use Amazon's platform and brand to spew nonsense? Seriously?


No worries, for all the bombastic "censorship" spew, they don't like lawyers (until they really need one).

Werd wrote that this means war. They do like noisy BS.
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Soar? Codoh are living in a dream.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:15 pm

Freya at Rodoh:
Who has ideas on the best way to boycott Amazon?

Bezos is freaking out.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:16 pm

Yeah, Amazon isn't too concerned about 20-30 nutzoid deniers not buying their stuff.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:24 pm

In terms of brand management, a noisy Nazi boycott is probably a desirable outcome for Amazon. Sadly for Amazon, only if Bannon and Gorka were to get up in arms will this outrage become noisy enough.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:32 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Every Tom, Dick and Harry doesn't have an inviolable right to use Amazon's platform and brand to spew nonsense? Seriously?



Amazon doesn't exist to promote "free inquiry" any more than Fox News does (a lot less, actually). It's function is to make money. Just try to tell them they have an obligation to operate in the public interest by promoting vigorous debate! They'll say, screw you. If we sell these books, a lot of people are going to boycott us. If we don't sell them, only a few people are going to boycott us. You make the call.

It's so odd that the people who are screaming censorship and book-burning now would defend to the death the right of a private bookstore to sell all the books and only the books that will bring it a profit.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:34 pm

Where is David in all of this? This is certainly bigger news than license plates and ice dancing.

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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Every Tom, Dick and Harry doesn't have an inviolable right to use Amazon's platform and brand to spew nonsense? Seriously?



Amazon doesn't exist to promote "free inquiry" any more than Fox News does (a lot less, actually). It's function is to make money. Just try to tell them they have an obligation to operate in the public interest by promoting vigorous debate! They'll say, screw you. If we sell these books, a lot of people are going to boycott us. If we don't sell them, only a few people are going to boycott us. You make the call.

It's so odd that the people who are screaming censorship and book-burning now would defend to the death the right of a private bookstore to sell all the books and only the books that will bring it a profit.

Damn it! No! I am going to throw a temper tantrum if I cannot put whatever I want for sale on Amazon! I get to decide what their brand image is going to be, not them. Truth does not fear investigation! The tide is turning! By not selling these truth-seeking, well-researched, richly sourced works, Amazon admits that the jewish story can't be defended except by police state methods. This is war. If they want it, they can have it. We will take the fight to the jews who made this happen and the jew Bezos.
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LOL

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Following hot on the heels of video-maker Eric Hunt's apostasy from the 'Revisionist' cause in February, Amazon's surprise move officially makes the first part of 2017 a total disaster for Holocaust denial. Sad!


http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... .html#more

Holocaust believers are so delusional they believe "Revisionist" and "Holocaust denial" is a religious cause. This must explain why so many of them claim others to worship Hitler.

Actually I think denial is a cult.

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Postby Darren Wilshak » Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:46 pm

I will get me some bright flaming torches and some pointed sharp pitchforks. Do you think that I may acquire these on amazon marketplace? And we'll be needing some matches. I almost forgot, we need an angry mob! Shall we go and recruit some from the poster pool of RODOH?

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Freya at Rodoh:
Who has ideas on the best way to boycott Amazon?

Bezos is freaking out.


Freya the Freyer might make an appearance on a later edition of my list lol

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:38 am

A similar move by the Canadian Indigo-Chapters stores:

- Indigo pulls book denying Holocaust and book praising Hitler from online inventory
http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/indig ... nial-books

Indigo Books & Music has pulled two books from its online inventory that praise Hitler and question the Holocaust.

One of the books was co-written by Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel under the pseudonym Christof Friedrich and is called The Hitler We Loved and Why. Another is by author Peter Winter and is called Six Million: Fact or Fiction. Indigo’s website described it as “without doubt the single most important revisionist overview of the legend of the ‘Six Million’ Holocaust ever yet published.”

The Canadian bookseller took the action after receiving an inquiry about the books from The CJN. The matter was brought to The CJN’s attention by Elisa Hategan, a writer and public speaker who was once part of the white supremacist movement and who now speaks out against anti-Semitism and racism.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:57 pm

Interestingly, about 1000 large companies pulled their advertising from Breitbart about a month ago in response to the "Sleeping Giant" campaign - but Amazon wasn't among the companies. Whilst pulling its HD titles from its sales platform, Amazon continues to advertise on the white nationalist platform for the alt-right. Why didn't (((they))) stop this, too?
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Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:A similar move by the Canadian Indigo-Chapters stores:

- Indigo pulls book denying Holocaust and book praising Hitler from online inventory
http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/indig ... nial-books

Indigo Books & Music has pulled two books from its online inventory that praise Hitler and question the Holocaust.

One of the books was co-written by Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel under the pseudonym Christof Friedrich and is called The Hitler We Loved and Why. Another is by author Peter Winter and is called Six Million: Fact or Fiction. Indigo’s website described it as “without doubt the single most important revisionist overview of the legend of the ‘Six Million’ Holocaust ever yet published.”

The Canadian bookseller took the action after receiving an inquiry about the books from The CJN. The matter was brought to The CJN’s attention by Elisa Hategan, a writer and public speaker who was once part of the white supremacist movement and who now speaks out against anti-Semitism and racism.


My understanding was that a book denying the Holocaust cannot legally be published or sold in Canada. I'm pretty sure that was the case 20 years ago. Perhaps the law has been changed.
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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:31 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Whilst pulling its HD titles from its sales platform, Amazon continues to advertise on the white nationalist platform for the alt-right. Why didn't (((they))) stop this, too?


My guess, StatMech, is that the case here with Amazon is the exact opposite, that Amazon's decision has nothing to do with any potential pressure from WJC or Yad Vashem, as deniers claim. I believe that Amazon didn't pull off the junk books because (((they))) put pressure. In fact, (((they))) put pressure again in 2013, and nothing happened back then.
Here's the details:

Sale of revisionist and Holocaust-denying books

In October 2013, the World Jewish Congress called on Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos to remove from its offer books that deny the Holocaust and promote anti-Semitism or white supremacy. "No one should profit from the sale of such vile and offensive hate literature. Many Holocaust survivors are deeply offended by the fact that the world’s largest online retailer is making money from selling such material," WJC Executive Vice President Robert Singer wrote in a letter to Bezos.[105][106] Earlier, a report in the British online magazine The Kernel had revealed that Amazon.com was selling books that defend Holocaust denial, and shipped them even to customers in countries where Holocaust denial is prohibited by the law.[107]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon.co ... ying_books


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- New Amazon shame: Holocaust denial
http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/features/ ... st-denial/

- Amazon's Holocaust Shame | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/11/am ... ust-shame/

I think it's more possible that Amazon did it now because of the tide of the news reports last month, not because (((they))) or anyone else stopped it.
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Re: Amazon stops selling more than 70 Holocaust denial books

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:49 pm

Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Whilst pulling its HD titles from its sales platform, Amazon continues to advertise on the white nationalist platform for the alt-right. Why didn't (((they))) stop this, too?


My guess, StatMech, is that the case here with Amazon is the exact opposite, that Amazon's decision has nothing to do with any potential pressure from WJC or Yad Vashem, as deniers claim. I believe that Amazon didn't pull off the junk books because (((they))) put pressure. In fact, (((they))) put pressure again in 2013, and nothing happened back then.
Here's the details:

Sale of revisionist and Holocaust-denying books

In October 2013, the World Jewish Congress called on Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos to remove from its offer books that deny the Holocaust and promote anti-Semitism or white supremacy. "No one should profit from the sale of such vile and offensive hate literature. Many Holocaust survivors are deeply offended by the fact that the world’s largest online retailer is making money from selling such material," WJC Executive Vice President Robert Singer wrote in a letter to Bezos.[105][106] Earlier, a report in the British online magazine The Kernel had revealed that Amazon.com was selling books that defend Holocaust denial, and shipped them even to customers in countries where Holocaust denial is prohibited by the law.[107]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon.co ... ying_books


Check the sources:
- New Amazon shame: Holocaust denial
http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/features/ ... st-denial/

- Amazon's Holocaust Shame | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/11/am ... ust-shame/

I think it's more possible that Amazon did it now because of the tide of the news reports last month, not because (((they))) or anyone else stopped it.

Leaving sarcasm aside, I agree. I think another possible influence was the negative reporting on the Google search algorithm and HD. A concerned brand manager at Amazon might well have taken note of that and the publicity about anti-Semitic events and decided to tidy things up a bit.

As for the ads continuing at Breitbart, it becomes kind of bait-and-switch as any WN traipsing from Breitbart to Amazon will now find the store denuded of some fave titles . . .
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Re: Amazon stops selling more than 70 Holocaust denial books

Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:51 pm

Any trace of sarcasm, using '(((they)))', was going to the deniers that always find conspiracies and Jewish influence, not you, of course.
According to experts and scholars, the 10 stages of every genocide are
Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination
... and finally the 10th stage:
Denial
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html

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Re: Amazon stops selling more than 70 Holocaust denial books

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:06 pm

I'm a curious to the sales figures of these books. I can't imagine they sold all that well.

From HC:
From memory, many bumped along in the top 1 to 2 million, with only a few surging up the rankings from time to time.


They were fringe titles appealing to a small audience. I only saw a few reviews on the titles I read on Kindle, usually around 20-30 with a lot giving those titles 1 star.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:10 pm

I always assumed that a decent % of the sales of these titles were normal people buying them to critique them. Sometimes I think that the HC group accounts for the majority of Mattogno's English-language distribution. :)
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Postby nickterry » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:29 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:I always assumed that a decent % of the sales of these titles were normal people buying them to critique them. Sometimes I think that the HC group accounts for the majority of Mattogno's English-language distribution. :)


Well, readership, anyway.

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Re: Amazon stops selling more than 70 Holocaust denial books

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:13 am

Lol
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: Amazon stops selling more than 70 Holocaust denial books

Postby Ian Hazard » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:36 pm

Nick Terry and Statistical Mechanic have been identified as court historians engaged in hasbara style propaganda activities by Charles Traynor. How do you plead - guilty or not innocent?

The true face of the HC crew and their supporters has revealed itself again. This time in the form of the unashamed gloating we have seen coming from SSF and the HC blog ever since news of Amazon's capitulation to international Jewry first began breaking.

At the forefront of the anti-science faction are Dr. Nicholas Terry and Statistical Mechanic (Nick Terry is a professional historian and SM claims to be a historian although he does not provide his credentials). One would have thought any self-respecting academic would be horrified to hear a powerful lobby group had succeeded in severely limiting academic freedom by the use of censorship. Instead we see these two creatures attempting to rationalise Amazon's banning of revisionist literature as a purely a commercial one (obviously hasbara propaganda for the benefit of uninformed visitors to SSF or the HC blog) when they both know full well those books would still be on sale today if Amazon hadn't been leaned on by the Industry. Shame on you Terry! Shame on you Statistical Mechanic!

This latest strong arm move by the Industry is a very public admission their holocaust dogma is morally and intellectually bankrupt. Sadly it is also a very severe blow to all of us who understand millions of people around the world will now probably never be made aware the holocaust is a vile racist lie. A lie which is under constant scrutiny and being shown to be false daily by revisionists using cold hard science and logic.


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Re: Amazon stops selling more than 70 Holocaust denial books

Postby Denying-History » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:44 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:Nick Terry and Statistical Mechanic have been identified as court historians engaged in hasbara style propaganda activities by Charles Traynor.
No one cares, get back to grave digging. Fish has made a fool of himself more then once.
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