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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:50 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:Udo Walendy did not draw the Spaghetti corpse. He just zoomed in on it, penciled a thighline, and claimed it is a corpse with an afro, rather than parts (limbs etc.) belonging to several other corpses.

Here is Pressac's print of Sonderkommando photograph #280

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Here is the "enhanced" version, where the silhouettes suddenly have much better lighting. If you say this is Udo Walendy's magic, that would be incorrect, as it also appears on Wikipedia:

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This is (most likely Udo Walendy's) retouched denier crop:

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Notice how what would otherwise be too thin a neck is fattened, how a line is added to indicate two thighs, and more details to the face.


It's only one of the original four:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando_photographs

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-auschwitz-burning-open-air.html?m=1
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Post by Oozy_Substance » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:11 am

So I just saw this picture posted by a denier.

http://imgur.com/a/nhB0e

Notice it got the pic in Jeff's first message.

I wonder, why do deniers think that the uncropped version somehow proves it's not an execution?

As for the other pics, I never saw them used as pictures from the Holocaust.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:36 am

This sorta became the catch all picture thread.

HC just posted an update of the Auschwitz SK picture:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/03/a-charge-of-forgery-supported-by.html?m=1
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Post by Oozy_Substance » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:57 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:This sorta became the catch all picture thread.

HC just posted an update of the Auschwitz SK picture:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/03/a-charge-of-forgery-supported-by.html?m=1


I don't think this article is new. I mean, it's a re-post of this article to HC.
I saw it quite a long time ago in some other website, hungarianskeptics or something.
I remember Aaron Richards' blog also links to this article on this site.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:22 am

Oozy_Substance wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:This sorta became the catch all picture thread.

HC just posted an update of the Auschwitz SK picture:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/03/a-charge-of-forgery-supported-by.html?m=1


I don't think this article is new. I mean, it's a re-post of this article to HC.
I saw it quite a long time ago in some other website, hungarianskeptics or something.
I remember Aaron Richards' blog also links to this article on this site.


How about a new post reposting an old post that was posted previously?

:lol:

I also ran across this previously, poorly worded on my part.

If anyone hasn't I suggest reading some of the comments on the original post. They are comedy gold.
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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:24 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:If anyone hasn't I suggest reading some of the comments on the original post. They are comedy gold.


You mean this, jeff?

https://hungarianskeptics.blogspot.gr/2 ... 5821551637

LOL, I didn't know there is a Hungarian version of Rizoli (actually, this Jerzy guy seems more like two Rizolis in one jerzy)
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:38 pm

Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:If anyone hasn't I suggest reading some of the comments on the original post. They are comedy gold.


You mean this, jeff?

https://hungarianskeptics.blogspot.gr/2 ... 5821551637

LOL, I didn't know there is a Hungarian version of Rizoli (actually, this Jerzy guy seems more like two Rizolis in one jerzy)
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:lol:

Fun fact about Jerzy (if this is the same guy) is that he is now in an Australian prison. I don't remember what for.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:58 pm

"It was still at the stage of clubs and fists, hurrah, tala"

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:03 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/street-watch-masked-gunman-got-wrong-target/news-story/f27505882631ffb860357ca0eb7d1763

Matthew has posted a lot on this.


I thought it had something to do with guns but I wasn't sure.

I don't know what the growth hormone was for and I don't want to know.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:16 pm

Guns = what (((they))) say but the real reason is obvious: the keepers of the official narrative got scared of his brave truth-telling and put him away.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:20 pm

(((((LOL))))))
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Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:35 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/street-watch-masked-gunman-got-wrong-target/news-story/f27505882631ffb860357ca0eb7d1763

Matthew has posted a lot on this.


I thought it had something to do with guns but I wasn't sure.

I don't know what the growth hormone was for and I don't want to know.


I was under the impression that he was a steroid dealer. HGH is basically roids for rich middle aged men. Sly is an admitted user and there is a consensus among observers that Hugh Jackman was likely on it in the last three X-men movies. But I don't think that they had this loser as their supplier lol.

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Post by Oozy_Substance » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:33 am

I've seen some comments by this Jerzy guy in HC articles.
Roberto Muehlenkamp was responding to him sometimes.

edit : btw just a question, is Roberto Muehlenkamp posting or used to post in this forum?

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:13 am

Oozy_Substance wrote:I've seen some comments by this Jerzy guy in HC articles.
Roberto Muehlenkamp was responding to him sometimes.

edit : btw just a question, is Roberto Muehlenkamp posting or used to post in this forum?

Roberto used to post in this forum but has not been active in forums, to my knowledge, for maybe two years. He sometimes still does blog articles at HC.
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Post by Oozy_Substance » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:57 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Oozy_Substance wrote:I've seen some comments by this Jerzy guy in HC articles.
Roberto Muehlenkamp was responding to him sometimes.

edit : btw just a question, is Roberto Muehlenkamp posting or used to post in this forum?

Roberto used to post in this forum but has not been active in forums, to my knowledge, for maybe two years. He sometimes still does blog articles at HC.


I think I recently saw him writing in the comments section of one HC article, I can't remember which one, that he slightly lost the interest of debating deniers because it's very repetitive.

edit : wrote "internet" instead of "interest". lol.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:58 am

Roberto is very good at debating them! But I can see that it would become incredibly tedious for him.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Oozy_Substance » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:00 pm

Oh yes, he is excellent.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:49 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:Udo Walendy did not draw the Spaghetti corpse.


Like hell he didn't. It only showed up in the version that he published. To say otherwise is to lurch towards soft-core denial. He either purposely edited it or he gaffed it up by accident and decided to leave the mistake in the final version as a dishonest ploy.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:52 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Aaron Richards wrote:Udo Walendy did not draw the Spaghetti corpse.


Like hell he didn't. It only showed up in the version that he published. To say otherwise is to lurch towards soft-core denial. He either purposely edited it or he gaffed it up by accident and decided to leave the mistake in the final version as a dishonest ploy.


I agree. I do think Walendy did it deliberately.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:32 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:This sorta became the catch all picture thread.

:hmm: OK...

Some views of Lodz.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:39 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:This sorta became the catch all picture thread.

:hmm: OK...

Some views of Lodz.


Thanks. Those pictures are amazing...and very sad.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Oozy_Substance » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:41 am

This is like, the "general" pictures thread?

So, about this picture :


Ber_Erlich_Sloshny.png


Someone told me "these are not German uniform", other claimed "these are Polish uniform".

Is this correct?

The story behind this picture is that this kneeling Jewish man, named Ber Erlich Sloshny, is the maternal grandfather of Meir Dagan, one of the former chiefs of the Israeli Mossad.
He was shot moments after this picture was taken.

Edit : I just noticed it. This picture contains TWO Jewish men, not one. One is forced to ride upon the other.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:52 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:I've seen some comments by this Jerzy guy in HC articles.
Roberto Muehlenkamp was responding to him sometimes.

edit : btw just a question, is Roberto Muehlenkamp posting or used to post in this forum?



Just an update, Roberto is busy ripping up the RODOH crew.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:58 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:This is like, the "general" pictures thread?

So, about this picture :


Ber_Erlich_Sloshny.png

Someone told me "these are not German uniform", other claimed "these are Polish uniform".

Is this correct?

The story behind this picture is that this kneeling Jewish man, named Ber Erlich Sloshny, is the maternal grandfather of Meir Dagan, one of the former chiefs of the Israeli Mossad.
He was shot moments after this picture was taken.

Edit : I just noticed it. This picture contains TWO Jewish men, not one. One is forced to ride upon the other.


The closest that my search found on it is that this picture was taken by the Police Reserve Battalion 101. So, I think it's authentic. I can't tell you anything about the uniforms.

Have them prove it to you.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:00 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:This is like, the "general" pictures thread?

So, about this picture :


Ber_Erlich_Sloshny.png

Someone told me "these are not German uniform", other claimed "these are Polish uniform".

Is this correct?

The story behind this picture is that this kneeling Jewish man, named Ber Erlich Sloshny, is the maternal grandfather of Meir Dagan, one of the former chiefs of the Israeli Mossad.
He was shot moments after this picture was taken.

Edit : I just noticed it. This picture contains TWO Jewish men, not one. One is forced to ride upon the other.



It was allegedly taken in Bialystok:

http://skepticism.org/timeline/june-history/6711-bialystok-jewish-men-taken-prisoner-elimination-begins.html
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Post by Sergey_Romanov » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:55 pm

Re: initial points: even if they were correct, that wouldn't be relevant to the photo's *authenticity*, only its interpretation (i.e. was the woman a victim). They wouldn't show the photo to be doctored, maximally lied about.

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Post by Sergey_Romanov » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:59 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Aaron Richards wrote:Udo Walendy did not draw the Spaghetti corpse.


Like hell he didn't. It only showed up in the version that he published. To say otherwise is to lurch towards soft-core denial. He either purposely edited it or he gaffed it up by accident and decided to leave the mistake in the final version as a dishonest ploy.


I agree. I do think Walendy did it deliberately.
To prove this one has to show that Walendy's source had a different version. Since retouching for newspapers and books was a rule in that era, the "Walendy did it" hypothesis seems less parsimonious (Hanlon's razor).

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Post by Aaron Richards » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:15 pm

I came across the following picture recently and it's the first time I've seen it. The quality looks very crisp, right down to the facial expressions of the executioners, and the fact that it is taken from such a close location to the unfolding event makes me think it might be a movie still.

The info I could so far find is "A Soviet partisan moments before being executed by German forces, Eastern Front, World War II"

source: http://bbcom.me/2eZ0FTF (features a great collection of historic photos, btw.)

If anyone knows more about this I'd appreciate your input, thanks.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:44 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:Is this correct?
The belt buckles and 1934 field caps indicate German army. If the cap's piping is white they are infantry. They are wearing greatcoats so I can't look for other indicators. I can't see the weapons clearly either.

The Squadron Signal series of illustrated books has quite a few photos of normal army soldiers harassing innocent Jews, which is a good thing, as it lets young readers understand it was not only the SS who committed atrocities.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:50 am

Aaron Richards wrote: If anyone knows more about this I'd appreciate your input, thanks.
I can't help you on this particular photo, however you can load up internet photos on Tineye Reverse photo search and find all the other places that same photo has been posted and sometimes this will lead you to better information.

https://www.tineye.com/

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Oozy_Substance wrote:Is this correct?
The belt buckles and 1934 field caps indicate German army. If the cap's piping is white they are infantry. They are wearing greatcoats so I can't look for other indicators. I can't see the weapons clearly either.

The Squadron Signal series of illustrated books has quite a few photos of normal army soldiers harassing innocent Jews, which is a good thing, as it lets young readers understand it was not only the SS who committed atrocities.


"great coats"????????

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He's Aussie... and punk
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Balmoral95 wrote: "great coats"????????
I'm looking at the earlier picture.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:06 am

Right, so might it not be a better idea to comment on the pic in the OP?

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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:16 am

And, the Jew in your photo is bald... the dude getting executed has a full head of hair.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:38 am

Balmoral95 wrote:Right, so might it not be a better idea to comment on the pic in the OP?
I quoted Oozy's post so as to nominate which picture I was talking about. Oozy asked the question.

Oozy Subtance wrote:Someone told me "these are not German uniform", other claimed "these are Polish uniform".

Is this correct?

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:41 am

Balmoral95 wrote:And, the Jew in your photo is bald... the dude getting executed has a full head of hair.

Who is this post addressed too? The Germans in the photo are wearing 1934 caps which allows for their identification.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:43 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:And, the Jew in your photo is bald... the dude getting executed has a full head of hair.

Who is this post addressed too?


You.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:45 am

The Germans are wearing caps in the photo that allows identification. I don't think Oozy was asking if the Jew was German or Polish soldiers ....do you?

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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:50 am

Done here.

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