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Re: The Jewish Conspiracies thread (aka "Achtung Juden*!")

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:55 pm

Also:
I've been burnded too many times by the juvenile delinquents who are claiming to be holocaust promoters.

Oh really? WE are the juvenile side of this? 'kay. I mean, revisionists are soooooo mature. Nothing says "emotional adulthood" more than opening youtube accounts under names like "Shlomo Shekelstein" and "Mordechai sixmillionberg" and than going on literally every youtube video that is somehow related to Jews and writing things like "we are coming for you kikes" or "oy vey the Goyim know shut it down" or "remember the six baziollion people gazzed" or "Hitler didn't kill the Jews, but he whould have" and calling eveyone that disagrees with you "a JDIF shill".

Yes, WE are the juvenile side.
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Re: The Jewish Conspiracies thread (aka "Achtung Juden*!")

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:38 am

>> I've been burnded too many times by the juvenile delinquents who are claiming to be holocaust promoters.

This guy is allergic to the research and writing about the Holocaust done by scholars, including some of the best in Germany, over the past several decades. Frankly, these people aren't juveniles, don't burn anyone, don't promote the Holocaust, and wouldn't give montgomery and his antics the time of day.

I recently came across a bibliography of recent works on the Holocaust in the USSR that ran to about 450 titles. With how much of this work does any of us imagine montgomery or VFX has contended?

For those who care, not montgomery who derides the scholarship and what one can get from it in favor of Mattogno and Castle Hill, here's a list of some basic and some recent titles on various aspects of the Holocaust. Montgomery is proud of his ignorance of this work:
Poliakov, Harvest of Hate
1951
481 notes

Reitlinger, The Final Solution
1953
1660 notes

Hilberg, Destruction (1961 1st edition)
1961
3413 notes

Levin, The Holocaust
1970
693 notes

Dawidowicz, War Against the Jews
1975
598 notes

Hilberg, Destruction (1985 2nd edition)
1985
4329 notes

Gilbert, The Holocaust
1986
2097 notes

Yahil, The Holocaust
1990
1784 notes

Friedlander, Years of Persecution
1997
1147 notes

Hilberg, Destruction (3rd edition)
2003
4711 notes

Friedlander, Years of Extermination
2006/7
2431 notes

Bloxham, The Final Solution
2009
557 notes

Longerich, Holocaust
2010
2263 notes

Goda, The Holocaust: Europe, the Jews and the World
2013
1440 notes

Cesarani, Final Solution
2016
1604 notes

Gerlach, The Extermination of the European Jews
2016
2404 notes

Trunk, Judenrat (English)
1972
2029 notes

Kogon et al, Nazi Mass Murder with Poison Gas
1983
551 notes

Black, Kaltenbrunner
1984
717 notes

Benz (ed), Dimension des Völkermordes
1991
2703 notes

Aly/Heim, Architects of Annihilation
1991 (2002)

Aly, Final Solution
1995
982 notes

Manoschek, “Serbien ist judenfrei”
1995
791 notes

Jansen, Der Madagaskar Plan
1997
833 notes

Brechtken, “Madagaskar für die Juden”
1998
1316 notes

Browning, Nazi Policy, Jewish Workers, German Killers
2000
586 notes

Longerich, The Unwritten Order
2001
456 notes

Corni, Hitler’s Ghettos
2002
2162 notes

Wildt, An Uncompromising Generation
2002
2389 notes

Browning, Origins of the Final Solution
2004
1853 notes

Brayard, La “solution finale de la question juive”
2004
2434 notes

Stone (ed), The Historiography of the Holocaust
2004
1822 notes

Aly, Hitler’s Beneficiaries
2005
997 notes

Cüppers, Wegbereiter des Shoahs
2005
1719 notes

Westermann, Hitler’s Police Battalions
2005
1166 notes

Klemp, Nicht ermittelt
2005/2011
1497 notes

Gruner, Jewish Forced Labor under the Nazis
2006
1290 notes

Tooze, Wages of Destruction
2006
2088 notes

Wildt, Hitler’s Volksgemeinschaft
2007 (2011)
858 notes

Hoffmann, ‘Das kann man nicht erzählen’ (1005)
2008
1135 notes

Longerich, Himmler
2008 (2012)
3509 notes

Steinweis, Kristallnacht
2009
411 notes

Ingrao, Believe and Destroy
2010 (2013)
1179 notes

Stone, Histories of the Holocaust
2010
926 notes

Zelle, Hitlers zweifelnde Elite
2010
1192 notes

Gerwarth, Hitler’s Hangman
2011
1208 notes

Schneppen, Walter Rauff
2011
411 notes

Morsch/Perz (eds), Neue Studien
2011
1249 notes

Michman, The Emergence of Jewish Ghettos During the Holocaust
2011
392 notes

Brayard, Auschwitz, enquête sur un complot nazi
2012
1198 notes

Longerich, Goebbels: A Biography
2012 (2015)
4235 notes

Kampe/Klein (eds), Die Wannsee-Konferenz
2013
1150 notes

Confino, A World Without Jews
2014
418 notes

Wasserstein, Britain and the Jews of Europe
1979
1135 notes

Laqueur, The Terrible Secret
1980
280 notes

Bauer, American Jewry and the Holocaust
1981
739 notes

Wyman, The Abandonment of the Jews
1984
1281 notes

Lipstadt, Beyond Belief
1986
879 notes

Porat, The Blue and Yellow Stars of David
1986 (1990)
538 notes

Favez, The Red Cross and the Holocaust
1988 (1999)
565 notes

Ofer, Escaping the Holocaust
1988 (1990)
868 notes

Kushner, The Holocaust and the Liberal Imagination
1990
750 notes

Bankier, The Germans and the Final Solution
1992
609 notes

Bolchover, British Jewry and the Holocaust
1993 (2003)
635 notes

Levine, From Indifference to Activism
1996 (1998)
859 notes

Friling, Arrows in the Dark
1998 (2005)
2047 notes

Breitman, Official Secrets
1998
752 notes

Phayer, The Catholic Church and the Holocaust
2000
969 notes

Leff, Buried By The Times
2005
876 notes

Mächler, Hilfe und Ohnmacht
2005
608 notes

Herf, The Jewish Enemy
2006
842 notes

Longerich, ‘Davon haben wir nichts gewusst!’
2006
1233 notes

Bajohr/Pohl, Massenmord und schlechtes Gewissen
2006
306 notes

Dörner, Die Deutschen und der Holocaust
2007
2265 notes

Plesch, America, Hitler and the UN
2011
383 notes

Hurwitz, Jews Without Power
2011 (2015)
1053 notes

Berkhoff, Motherland in Danger
2012
955 notes

Gorny, The Jewish Press and the Holocaust
2012
624 notes

Lanicek, Czechs, Slovaks and the Jews
2013
1145 notes

Breitman/Lichtman, FDR and the Jews
2013
868 notes

Segev, World Jewish Congress and Holocaust
2014
474 notes

Bloxham, Genocide on Trial
2001
989 notes

Douglas, The Memory of Judgment
2001
465 notes

Weinke, Die Verfolgung von NS-Tätern im geteilten Deutschland
2002
1499 notes

Weindling, Nazi Medicine and the Nuremberg Trials
2004
2189 notes

Hasian, Rhetorical Vectors of Memory
2006
986 notes

Heberer/Matthaeus (eds), Atrocities on Trial
2008
886 notes

Weinke, Eine Gesellschaft ermittelt gegen sich selbst
2008
728 notes

Hebert, Hitler’s Generals on Trial
2010
870 notes

Segev, Simon Wiesenthal
2010
1026 notes

Heller, The Nuremberg Military Tribunals
2011
2400 notes

Eichmueller, Keine Generalamnestie
2012
1352 notes

Raim, Justiz zwischen Diktatur und Demokratie
2013
5422 notes

Tisseron, La France et le process de Nuremberg
2014
749 notes

Jockusch/Finder (eds), Jewish Honor Courts
2015
1107 notes

Klee, “Euthanasie” im NS-Staat
1983
1606 notes

Burleigh, Death and Deliverance
1994
972 notes

Friedlander, The Origins of Nazi Genocide
1995
1745 notes

Schmidt, Karl Brandt: The Nazi Doctor
2007
1955 notes

Aly, Die Belasteten
2013
454 notes

Streit, Keine Kameraden
1978/1991
1780 notes

Cholawsky, The Jews of Bielorussia during World War II
1982 (1998)
576 notes

Krausnick/Wilhelm, Truppen des Weltanschauungskrieges
1981
2107 notes

Ogorreck, Die Einsatzgruppen und die ‘Genesis der Endlösung’
1996
780 notes

Gerlach, Kalkulierte Morde
1999
6309 notes

Dean, Collaboration in the Holocaust
2000
1019 notes

Ioanid, The Holocaust in Romania
2000
1378 notes

Angrick, Besatzungspolitik und Massenmord
2003
1933 notes

Berkhoff, Harvest of Despair
2004
1620 notes

Shepherd, War in the Wild East
2004
704 notes

Oldenburg, Ideologie und militaerische Kalkuel
2004
1299 notes

Kugler, Scherwitz
2004
908 notes

Kruglov, The Losses Suffered by Ukrainian Jews
2005
1508 notes

Lower, Nazi Empire-Building
2005
756 notes

Curilla, Die deutsche Ordnungspolizei und der Holocaust
2006
8270 notes

Angrick/Klein, The “Final Solution” in Riga
2006
1282 notes

Kay, Exploitation, Resettlement, Mass Murder
2006
953 notes

Wrochem, von, Erich von Manstein: Vernichtungskrieg…
2006 (2009)
1795 notes

Huerter, Hitlers Heerfuehrer
2007
2594 notes

Pohl, Die Herrschaft der Wehrmacht
2008
1404 notes

Brandon/Lower (eds), The Shoah in Ukraine
2008
1105 notes

Epstein, The Minsk Ghetto
2008
389 notes

Arad, Holocaust in the Soviet Union
2009
1747 notes

Weiss-Wendt, Murder Without Hatred
2009
1339 notes

Schneppen, Ghettokommandant in Riga
2009
836 notes

Bauer, The Death of the Shtetl
2009
328 notes

Earl, The Nuremberg SS-Einsatzgruppen Trial
2009
1352 notes

Hartmann, Wehrmacht im Ostkrieg
2009
4871 notes

Brakel, Unter Rotem Stern und Hakenkreuz
2009
2020 notes

Hasenclever, Wehrmacht und Besatzungspolitik
2010
3107 notes

Dieckmann, Deutsche Besatzungspolitik in Litauen
2011
6712 notes

Reichelt, Lettland unter deutscher Besatzung 1941-1944
2011
1270 notes

Rentrop, Tatorte der ‘Endloesung’
2011
969 notes

Baum, Varianten des Terrors
2011
2595 notes

Rein, The Kings and the Pawns
2011
1472 notes

Ancel, The History of the Holocaust in Romania
2011
1909 notes

Kilian, Wehrmacht und Besatzungsherrschaft im Nordwesten
2012
2854 notes

Plath, Zwischen Schonung und Menschenjagd
2012
1786 notes

Kay/Rutherford/Stahel (eds), Nazi Policy on the Eastern Front, 1941
2012
1053 notes

Burds, The Holocaust in Rovno
2013
222 notes

Pieper, Fegelein’s Horsemen
2014
811 notes

Tauber, Arbeit als Hoffnung: Jüdische Ghettos in Litauen 1941-1944
2015
3020 notes

Kay, The Making of an SS Killer
2016
896 notes

Trunk, Łódź Ghetto: A History
1962 (2006)
1321 notes

Gutman, The Jews of Warsaw
1982
698 notes

Krakowski, The War of the Doomed
1984
565 notes

Engel, In the Shadow of Auschwitz
1987
911 notes

Arad, Belzec Sobibor Treblinka
1987
688 notes

Browning, Ordinary Men
1992
511 notes

Engel, Facing a Holocaust
1993
903 notes

Pohl, Von der “Judenpolitik” zum Judenmord
1993
863 notes

Tomaszewski/Werbowski, Code Name: Zegota
1994 (2010)
74 notes

Stola, Nadzieja i zaglada
1995
1140 notes

Pohl, Nationalsozialistische Judenverfolgung in Ostgalizien
1996
2153 notes

Sandkühler, “Endlösung” in Galizien
1996
1050 notes

Bender, The Jews of Bialystok
1997 (2008)
1018 notes

Schelvis, Sobibor
1998/2003
662 notes

Gross, Neighbors
2000 (2001)
169 notes

Krakowski, Chelmno
2001
459 notes

Paulsson, Secret City
2002
547 notes

Redlich, Together and Apart in Brzezany
2002
371 notes

Rossino, Hitler Strikes Poland
2003
1100 notes

Housden, Hans Frank and Lebensraum
2003
1411 notes

Poprzeczny, Hitler’s Man in the East: Odilo Globocnik
2004
463 notes

Crowe, Oskar Schindler
2004
1836 notes

Musial (ed), Aktion Reinhard
2004
1296 notes

Schwindt, Majdanek
2005
1475 notes

Ziołkowska, Obozy pracy przymusowej
2005
746 notes

Alberti, Verfolgung und Vernichtung
2006
1866 notes

Löw, Juden im Getto Litzmannstadt
2006
1735 notes

Böhler, Auftakt zum Vernichtungskrieg
2006
1110 notes

Loose, Kredite für NS-Verbrechen
2007
2023 notes

Mlynarczyk, Judenmord in Zentralpolen
2007
1338 notes

Rutherford, Prelude to the Final Solution
2007
744 notes

Rieger, Creator of Nazi Death Camps
2007
551 notes

Kassow, Who Will Write Our History?
2007
1193 notes

Bartov, Erased
2007
190 notes

Horwitz, Ghettostadt
2008
888 notes

Roth, Herrenmenschen
2009
1233 notes

Klein, Gettoverwaltung Litzmannstadt
2009
1635 notes

Mailander, Female SS Guards and Workaday Violence
2009 (2015)
1408 notes

Puławski, W obliczu Zagłady
2009
2386 notes

Wardzyńska, Był rok 1939
2009
277 notes

Epstein, Model Nazi
2010
1907 notes

Browning, Remembering Survival
2010
1449 notes

Kuwalek, Das Vernichtungslager Belzec
2011/2013
713 notes

Curilla, Der Judenmord in Polen
2011
8405 notes

Montague, Chelmno and the Holocaust
2011
675 notes

Gross, Golden Harvest
2011 (2012)
180 notes

Grabowski, Hunt for the Jews
2011 (2013)
505 notes

Libionka/Weinbaum, Bohaterowie, hochsztaplerzy, opisywacze
2011
1512 notes

Żbikowski, Karski
2011
375 notes

Medykowski, W cieniu gigantow
2012
686 notes

Berger, Experten der Vernichtung
2013
1698 notes

Klemp, Vernichtung
2013
590 notes

Roth/Schmidt, Judenmord in Ostrów Mazowiecka
2013
332 notes

Rashke, Useful Enemies
2013
542 notes

Silberklang, Gates of Tears
2013
748 notes

Bryant, Eyewitness to Genocide
2014
667 notes

Benz, Handlager der SS
2015
1185 notes

Zimmerman, Polish Underground and the Jews
2015
2067 notes

Struve, Deutsche Herrschaft
2015

Hembera, Die Shoah im Distrikt Krakau (Tarnow)
2016
1548 notes

Browning, The Final Solution and the German Foreign Office
1978
811 notes

Adler, The Jews of Paris and the Final Solution
1985 (1987)
924 notes

Steinberg, All or Nothing
1990
799 notes

Safrian, Eichmann’s Men
1993 (2010)
1109 notes

Poznanski, Jews in France during World War II
1997 (2001)
2446 notes

Lozowick, Hitler’s Bureaucrats
2000 (2002)
787 notes

Rabinovici, Eichmann’s Jews
2000 (2011)
735 notes

Yablonka, The State of Israel vs Adolf Eichmann
2001 (2004)
843 notes

Gerlach/Aly, Das letzte Kapitel
2002
1870 notes

Lafitte, Un engrenage fatal
2003
913 notes

Cole, Holocaust City
2003
788 notes

Cesarani, Eichmann
2004
1024 notes

Meyer, Täter im Verhör
2005
1,599 notes

Rothkirchen, The Jews of Bohemia & Moravia
2005
1440 notes

Weitkamp, Braune Diplomaten
2008
2112 notes

Bowman, The Agony of Greek Jewry
2009
760 notes

Moore, Survivors
2010
1508 notes

Meyer, Das Wissen um Auschwitz
2010
556 notes

Seibel, Persecution and Rescue
2010 (2016)
944 notes

Meyer, A Fatal Balancing Act
2011 (2013)
1513 notes

Stangneth, Eichmann Before Jerusalem
2011 (2014)
1406 notes

Wieviorka/Lafitte, A l’intérieur du camp de Drancy
2012
490 notes

Ritz, Schreibtischtäter vor Gericht
2012
743 notes

Meinen, Die Shoah in Belgien
2012
552 notes

Meinen/Meyer, Verfolgt von Land zu Land
2013
660 notes

Pressac, Die Krematorien von Auschwitz
1994
318 notes

Gutman/Berenbaum (eds), Anatomy of the Auschwitz
1994
1160 notes

Dlugoborski/Piper (eds), Auschwitz 1940-1945, 5 vols
1995/2000
3286 notes

Dwork/Pelt, Auschwitz
1996
679 notes

Wagner, IG Auschwitz
2000
1308 notes

Steinbacher, ‘Musterstadt’ Auschwitz
2000
1632 notes

Pelt, van, The Case for Auschwitz
2002
931 notes

Pendas, The Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial
2006
1227 notes

Dirks, “Die Verbrechen der anderen”
2006
1275 notes

Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust
2010
1301 notes

Stengel, Hermann Langbein
2012
2219 notes

Fleming, Auschwitz, The Allies and Censorship
2014
847 notes

Pingel, Häftlinge unter SS-Herrschaft
1978
578 notes

Orth, Das System der nationalsozialistischen KL
1999
1234 notes

Schulte, Zwangsarbeit und Vernichtung
2001
1778 notes

Allen, The Business of Genocide
2002
726 notes

Strebel, Das KZ Ravensbrück
2003
2625 notes

Steegman, Natzweiler
2005 (2010)
1985 notes

Buggeln, Arbeit & Gewalt (translated as Slave Labor)
2009
1976 notes

Caplan/Wachsmann (eds), Concentration Camps in Nazi
2010
675 notes

Blatman, The Death Marches
2011
1836 notes

Jardim, The Mauthausen Trial
2012
616 notes

Weindling, Victims and Survivors of Nazi Human Expts
2015
1042 notes

Pauer-Studer/Velleman, Konrad Morgen
2015
510 notes

Wachsmann, KL
2015
3423 notes

Wuenschmann, Before Auschwitz
2015
1069 notes

Stone, The Liberation of the Camps
2015
739 notes

Hördler, Ordnung und Inferno
2015
2086 notes

Feferman, The Holocaust in the Crimea and the North Caucasus
2016
1887 notes

Michman (ed), Belgium and the Holocaust
1998
1143 notes

Van Doorslaer (ed), La Belgique docile (1114pp)
2007
4252 notes

I once asked EtienneSC, at ISF, who pretends unlike montgomery, to be a serious revisionist, how many of the works on this list he'd read and studied. His answer: 3. That's from a "serious revisionist."

Why does this matter?

This is pertinent because with VFX and montgomery it's clear that they know squat about this work - yet this is the knowledge-base which they want to question and revise. They want to question and revise that which they are unfamiliar with. We saw it on another thread with VFX, asked about Schelvis' important work on Sobibor, he responded like a 5-year-old with some unfunny crack about "Green Eggs and Ham."

Anyone who seriously wants to engage with the history of the Holocaust will have read works like these along with specialist articles and papers on various aspects of the history and will be scouring them for problems of interpretation along with looking at the archives themselves - what he or she will not be going is spending time yelping on YouTube, stumbling around like a drunk at Rodoh, or coming here to troll and spam and JAQ off.
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