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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:11 pm

Monstrous wrote:Little Monstrous has been studiously reading

you're doing this just now to figure out what you disagree with?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Monstrous wrote:Little Monstrous has been studiously reading

you're doing this just now to figure out what you disagree with?
No he's just started to try and find more debunked spam.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:18 pm

This is really an interesting point, all joking aside. Why is he doing this, what does he imagine he's achieving?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Most likely for the same reason he makes any post... he ether is a troll who finds joy in being annoying or he's a pure idiot that thinks this form of argument style is convincing.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:01 pm

He's succeeding at neither of these possibilities.
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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

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Denying-History wrote:Most likely for the same reason he makes any post... he ether is a troll who finds joy in being annoying or he's a pure idiot that thinks this form of argument style is convincing.



I'm going to say the latter.

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Monstrous wrote:But Monstrous understands enough to know that the revisionist arguments are very convincing!
Is this why you can find someone who has survived 1% HCN for a period of 5 minutes? I remember you appealed to Pressac, who's estimates I did mention, but again your sources do not provide their evidence.

Monstrous wrote:But if the Believers want real experts on this, then they should go to codoh instead of hanging around in this little echo chamber!
You mean the experts who cannot understand basic logic?

A little Monstrous list for the interested:
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7664 Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
These again are safety regulations, which again Germar points, out as a retort which honest doesn't work out.

Since 300 ppmv is rapidly fatal, the first question is already answered, but let us examine this question in more depth. Rudolf implies that 300 ppmv is a limit imposed for safety reasons. Rudolf is correct that limits imposed for safety reasons are much lower than lethal concentrations.

[...]

300 ppm Rapidly fatal (if no treatment)

[...]

One does not provide treatment to someone that one intends to kill, so for our purposes 300 ppmv is "rapidly fatal." Rudolf's implication is incorrect.[...]


http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/


http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7651 HCN concentration used in and duration of US g.c. executions


Denying-History wrote:Earlier our local idiot Monstrous was using American gas chambers as an argument for exposure time and the amount of gas to be used. This same argument has been applied by Rudolf, however major issues exist. He cites Rudolf claiming that American gas chambers use between 0.3 to 1 percent concentrations, which are quite possible though Leuchter seemed to be set on 3,200 ppm. However the local idiot seems to not have accounted for major issues in this argument, the worst being that while you are inside of a gas chamber you are not presumed dead until your heart giveaways. Which is a major issue considering even with cyanide poisoning the human heart can continue even after death. (Dzombak et al, "Cyanide in water", 2005 p.241) Rudolf believe someone can survive 1% HCN for 5 minutes, but this is unlikely and according Marszałek 1986, page 141, 1% Cyanide in the air would cause someone to die "instantaneously". While the wording is a bit of an exaggeration it seems rather accurate especially when one considers that in American gas chambers when a "very high dose of cyanide" is introduced the subject will die within the timespan of "1 to 2 minutes". (Borowitz et al, "Cyanide", 1992, p. 213)


http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7638 wanted: testimonies on the duration of Auschwitz gassings


Which matters for what reason? The fact that people give differing times is only evidence that there is no conspiracy. If we were looking at a large number of liars then we would be seeing the same amount of time repeated.

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111 Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz


"[C]hemistry is not the science which can prove or refute any allegations about the Holocaust 'rigorously'." Holocaust-denier and chemist Germar Rudolf, response to Rich Green, 1998

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267 Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more
This argument itself doesn't seem to understand Greens actual argument... The point is that the lethal level is much lower for humans then lice, which is true regardless of what you wish to claim. This point however does not mean that higher levels of cyanide were not present in the gas chamber. Pressac argues between 10,000 to 18,000 ppm while others argue a lower concentration. This is actually stressed in Greens essay that deniers at times seem to believe this argument means that "less cyanide was used in the homicidal gas chambers'. This doesn't mean its the case at all Monstrous.

300 ppmv [18] of HCN is rapidly lethal to humans (see the discussion on toxicity below), whereas Degesch recommends a concentration of 8-16 g/m3 (7240-14,480 ppmv) for delousing. [19] 300 ppmv is 0.33 g/m3. Some denier critics have assumed that this difference means that much less cyanide was used in the homicidal gas chambers as compared to the delousing chambers. For example, Mark Singer writes in The New Yorker:

The most concise explanation to counter Leuchter's conclusion is that a higher concentration of Zyklon B is required to kill lice than to kill human beings.... [20]


The assumption that much less Zyklon B was used in the gas chambers than the delousing chambers is most likely erroneous and was not made in "Leuchter, Rudolf, and the Iron Blues". It should be noted, however, that delousing in the standard delousing chambers took far longer than homicidal gassing did. This longer period of time may be of considerable importance in terms of the ability of water to absorb HCN as well as in its effect on the ability of any alkaline materials to dissolve in ambient water (issues that we discuss later in this paper).


http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/

http://codoh.com/library/document/3206/ Differential Exposure of Brickwork to Hydrogen Cyanide during World War Two


ABLE VII. RESULTS OF EXAMINATION CONCERNING THE EFFECT OF
WATER UPON THE CONCENTRATION OF CYANIDE IONS IN PLASTER

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Sample Initial concentration Concentration after
flushing with water
(CN~ in ug/kg) (CN~ in ug/kg) Loss, in %
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I 160 28 82.5
II 1200 112 90.7
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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Denying-History » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:57 pm

Little Monstrous might learn a bit more then he currently understands by reading this except from Marszałek 1986.

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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:32 pm

Two posts on Auschwitz relevant here, from the Hunt thread:
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Monstrous wrote:Monstrous was right!

A monstrous fake!

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 959#p82202


The depth of field of the photograph in question is comparable to that of other photographs in the Auschwitz album, the legs of the woman have been cropped off or are masked by the men (take your choice how she is standing, but note that one can faintly see what could be one of her legs on a slightly less cropped reproduction), and it is utterly far fetched to expect anything from the SS guard without knowing any further context and surrounding of the scene. There is no evidence to support and explain this laughable forgery hypothesis, but thanks for illustrating again the flawed and arbitrary methods of Holocaust denial. One can easily guess the value of other "Revisionist" forgery claims if that piece of nothing was supposed to be a convincing case for deniers.

And:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Ok Monstrous, let's deal with the photo "forgery" -
Monstrous wrote:Monstrous was right!

A monstrous fake!

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 959#p82202

The image doesn't appear to be a montage. Hunt's statement includes a video showing where the photo was taken and marking out features and angles of view to show this. But as to the argument you link to, I am looking at the photo in a printed copy of the Auschwitz Album:

(1) the tree on the left is equally as sharp as the tree on the right (the tree on left has wider ridges in the bark), as is also clearly seen in the scan of the photo used by Hans for his HC piece

(2) reproductions of the photo have various crops - the version which Hans used and which is in the Auschwitz Album crop out the vehicle on the right but include a bit more along the bottom, where you can see the woman's legs, not much of them but enough of what is "missing" in versions cropped differently along the bottom

(3) that the unconcerned behavior of the soldiers in the background is unexpected relies on an assumption about "what is happening in the foreground with the 'gangsters' man handling the woman and the presence of the photographer"; if Hans or Pressac interprets this photo better than Hunt, there's nothing odd at all about the soldiers being unconcerned - the photographer is present because he was supposed to be and the interactions between the three men and the woman pose no problem

As to the photographer, and bearing in mind the useless posts at Codoh about how a photograph could be taken at this location, Nina Springer-Aharoni identifies the photographer as Ernst Hoffman, photographer for the Identification Service, Block 26, Auschwitz I; she notes the high technical quality of the photographs in the albums as well as the vantage points for the shots (from railcar rooftops, water towers, and other places around the camp). She reminds us that in some of the photos, the subjects react to the camera. Taken as a whole, the album shows planning and concerted effort.

So, one more time Monstrous, what's your evidence of fakery, aside from a post at Codoh which misinterprets the photo and misleads as to what's in it?

Let's go, Monstrous. Don't spam 10 links - tell Hans and me why we're wrong, supposedly.
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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Denying-History » Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:54 pm

Monstrous wrote:You Believers understand that there is an endless deluge of revisionist criticisms of Auschwitz? The Zyklon B debacle is just the small icing.

Some examples.

[Snipping out boring witness issues]

Smoking Crematory Chimney at Auschwitz: A Correction
http://codoh.com/library/document/3083/


Which proves what exactly? Deniers aren't denying that the crematoriums were used now are they? It simple to explain that no smoke just means the Crematorium was not operating at that point of the day... Deniers still have yet to explain the markings on the roof of the gas chamber.


Monstrous wrote:The Factory of Death at Auschwitz, The First Press Report From Auschwitz
http://codoh.com/library/document/884/


but everything I saw and filmed was far more terrible than anything I had seen or filmed during the Great Patriotic War. Hundreds of people stood by the barbed wire fences and looked at our soldiers. There was fear in their eyes. They did not know that these were Soviet soldiers, that these were liberators. They had expected the worse and expected death. We took pictures of the faces of these human beings. A Soviet special commission arrived two days after the camp was freed. Soviet soldiers found large quantities of cyanide B along with gas masks worn by the sanitary workers when they administered the poison, preparation for medical experiments on inmates.

KONDOYANIDI, ANITA. “The Liberating Experience: War Correspondents, Red Army Soldiers, and the Nazi Extermination Camps.” The Russian Review, vol. 69, no. 3, 2010, pp. 457., www.jstor.org/stable/25677248.

Monstrous wrote:"Cremation Pits" and Ground Water Levels at Birkenau
http://codoh.com/library/document/1426/


The concentration camp at Auschwitz sat on a swampy corner of land wedged between the Vistula and the Sola. The ground was little higher than the rivers, and the region flooded regularly. Water (rain, melting snow, flood waters) could not drain into the rivers, nor could it seep into the earth; the soil was impervious marl, 200 feet thick. If this land were to be transformed into an agricultural estate, the tremendous drainage problem would have to be solved. On 15 February 1941 Vogel asked the soil engineer Professor Zunker to examine the site. Zunker, Vogel, and Hoss toured the area on 7 March, and three weeks later Zunker submitted a thirty-three page report suggesting major hydrological improvements of the Vistula and the Sola to prevent flooding. He also recommended reconstructing the lake-sized fish ponds in the southern part of the area, cleaning up the existing drainage channels and digging new ones, and laying a massive network of 3.6 million drainage pipes in 3000 acres of future farmland. Considering the number of pipes needed, Zunker noted that it would be cheaper to purchase a pipe factory than to buy them from regular suppliers. By the end of the year a more detailed program of improvement had been drafted; it was concentrated first on the improvement of the fish ponds by the removal of the muck on the bottom, the fertilization of adjacent fields with that same muck, and the cleaning and digging of drainage canals.

Zunker's plan was adopted, and the program that was to demand the labor of tens of thousands of prisoners and claim the lives of thousands began. There was no earth- moving equipment, and every day for four years squads of inmates were sent out to excavate the heavy clay. On starvation rations and beaten by the kapos (inmates in charge of work details), they dug for twelve hours without rest. This was women's work in Auschwitz. As soon as women prisoners began to arrive, in the early spring of 1942, they were assigned to the agricultural estate squads. It was their job to actualize the projects Zunker had recommended: to construct and maintain the riverbanks, build roads, dredge the fish ponds, clear tree stumps from crop fields, and dig drainage ditches.

[Auschwitz 1270 to the Present Dwork and Van Pelt p.191,192, 193]

Monstrous wrote:The Crematoria Ovens of Auschwitz and Birkenau
http://codoh.com/library/document/921/


The only alternative capacity that we have is from Kurt Prüfer. It's higher then the figure the denier gives. The figures are as follows;

crematorium I incinerated 250 corpses per day, crematoria II and III incinerated 800 corpses per day, and each of the smaller crematoria IV and V cremated 400 bodies, in total 2650. Still more then enough to cremate every body.

Then we have Pressac's conservative figures which still can cremate all the corpses even when one uses Carlo Mattogno's restrictive dates.

Crematorium 2: 1000 X 509 = 509,000 bodies

Crematorium 3: 1000 X 462 = 462,000 bodies

Crematorium 4: 500 X 50 = 25,000 corpses

Crematorium 5: 500 X 309 = 154,500 corpses

Total: 1,150,500

This still doesn't include crematorium 1 or the cremation pits.


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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:37 am

Monstrous - come on, let's go, in this thread or over here - Auschwitz, remember, you wanted to discuss Auschwitz?
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:21 am

bump for Monstrous and, er, Blake (Blake we hardly knew ye!)
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:41 pm

Monstrous, a friendly reminder that you're a gutless and dishonest creep
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:05 pm

Monstrous wants to give up and play "did not" / "did too" with Nessie, Werd and the crew at Rodoh. Who can blame him? Sad!
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Monstrous wants to give up and play "did not" / "did too" with Nessie, Werd and the crew at Rodoh. Who can blame him? Sad!


Yeah, I just took a look. They are arguing over the color of corpses that died from Carbon Monoxide/Cyanide poisoning.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:58 pm

Lol
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:41 pm

bump for Monstrous
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:29 pm

Hans keeps the hits coming: "The Kinna Report - German Document on the Killing of Unfit Jews in Auschwitz" - Auschwitz, the subject that dare not speak its name, the one we never discuss . . .

Make sure to read the comment from Gilles Karmasyn, which provides some additional information on the Kinna report.

It seems that the Germans - meticulous and obsessive record-keepers - didn't bother reconciling who from Zamosc arrived at Auschwitz, at least according to Kinna, even after 11 deportees had escaped from the transport: "The takeover took place in Auschwitz on 13 December 1942, the names were not read out."
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Sergey_Romanov » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:39 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:No, I don't think that there's some Auschwitz hoax. I think that the number of those who perished at Auschwitz was approximately 1,100,000, broken down as follows:

- 960,000 Jews (865,000 unregistered and 95,000 registered) - most of these people were murdered in the gas chambers at the camp, the largest action being the Ungaraktion, which killed over 1/3 of the Jewish victims

This may have been discussed in the thread (tldr), but Piper's analysis severely undercounts the Hungarian transit Jews. So the total Jewish death toll should be "about 900,000". The total Auschwitz death toll is lowered accordingly.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:03 pm

thanks, I don't think I or anyone else realized/caught that
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Postby Sergey_Romanov » Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:47 pm

For the deniers' sake: it doesn't mean the total Holocaust death toll should be lowered, these Jews could have easily died elsewhere, worked to death for example. The number is less than the margin of error anyway (as gruesome as it sounds).

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Postby Jeff_36 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:16 am

Sergey_Romanov wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:No, I don't think that there's some Auschwitz hoax. I think that the number of those who perished at Auschwitz was approximately 1,100,000, broken down as follows:

- 960,000 Jews (865,000 unregistered and 95,000 registered) - most of these people were murdered in the gas chambers at the camp, the largest action being the Ungaraktion, which killed over 1/3 of the Jewish victims

This may have been discussed in the thread (tldr), but Piper's analysis severely undercounts the Hungarian transit Jews. So the total Jewish death toll should be "about 900,000". The total Auschwitz death toll is lowered accordingly.


I have always thought it to be roughly that number.

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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Oozy_Substance » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:26 am

I don't want to open yet another thread, so I'll just ask it here.
I encounter over and over the issue of "gas chambers had wooden doors" argument.
I browsed HC for some specific article about it but found none.

Do you have any good link or info about it?

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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Denying-History » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:06 am

Oozy_Substance wrote:I don't want to open yet another thread, so I'll just ask it here.
I encounter over and over the issue of "gas chambers had wooden doors" argument.
I browsed HC for some specific article about it but found none.

Do you have any good link or info about it?
Hans destroyed this position a long time ago in his refutation to Denierbuds video on Auschwitz.

Simply put only a small portion of the prisoners could exhort force against the door. So the argument against the door is just another boring attack.
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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:22 am

I thought that deniers use the wooden doors cancard in a sense that it would be easier for poisoness gas to leak outside through wood than through metal
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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Denying-History » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:26 am

Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:I thought that deniers use the wooden doors cancard in a sense that it would be easier for poisoness gas to leak outside through wood than through metal


Technically if they want to appeal to the wooden door argument then they should stick with its description. No such problem should exist.

It was a wooden door, made of two layers of short pieces of wood arranged like parquet. Between these layers there was a single sheet of material sealing the edges of the door and the rabbets of the frame were also fitted with sealing strips of felt. At about head height for an average man this door had a round glass peephole. On the other side of the door, i.e. on the gas chamber side, this opening was protected by a hemispherical grid. This grid was fitted because the people in the gas chamber, feeling they were going to die, used to break the glass of the peep-hole. But the grid still did not provide sufficient protection and similar incidents recurred. The opening was blocked with a piece of metal or wood. . .The door was closed hermetically from the corridor side by means of iron bars which were screwed tight.


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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:16 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:I don't want to open yet another thread, so I'll just ask it here.
I encounter over and over the issue of "gas chambers had wooden doors" argument.
I browsed HC for some specific article about it but found none.

Do you have any good link or info about it?


They should be more specific on what door, I see that more often used for Krema I.

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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:52 pm

Let the record show that the only person here, so to speak, who never wants to discuss Auschwitz is Jeffk's little buddy Monstrous, who disappeared from the forum about the time this thread opened.
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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:24 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Let the record show that the only person here, so to speak, who never wants to discuss Auschwitz is Jeffk's little buddy Monstrous, who disappeared from the forum about the time this thread opened.


I miss Monstrous...LOL
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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Sergey_Romanov » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:20 pm

Oozy, if you mean the wooden doors were not gas-tight argument, obviously they were since they were used in delousing chambers.

If you mean Krema I doors, I debunked that, look it up at HC.

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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:31 am

"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:57 pm

Looks like we still don't want to discuss Auschwitz.

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Re: "they never discuss Auschwitz. Probably because it is so obviously a hoax."

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:19 pm

Definitely not me, I am too busy not discussing Dutch Jews with Saggy and crew at ISF
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