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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 10:08 pm

Democrats beginning to worry about the reality of the so-called blue wave, on account of messaging re: the economy:
Even as signs point to Democrats winning back the House, the party is concerned that their hopes of a blue wave could turn into something smaller if Trump and the GOP are effective on their economic messaging ahead of November.

Interviews with more than a dozen Democrats suggest a number of people in the party are worried that Democrats aren’t doing enough to provide a counterargument.

“It’s a very big concern,” said Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. “The economy is the No. 1 issue out there for people and right now Trump has a very aggressive economic message that seems to cross traditional party lines to voters.”

Me too, which is a symptom of my feelings about many voters.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 10:16 pm

Mick Mulvaney and Sarah Hucklechuckle have made it clear that Trump is owed an apology over this Sadler-McCain flap: very unfair to Trump to have this reported in the press. McCain should apologize to him.

Mulvaney also explained that Sadler just made a funny that for some reason fell flat - and that people should be able to make funnies like that in private without tongues wagging. And here I thought Sadler was at work; but I can't understand why a joke about McCain that goes like this “It doesn’t matter, he’s dying anyway” would fall flat. Sounds really funny to me. I'm going to use it when that fat {!#%@} in the WH kicks.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 10:23 pm

You know, my dear Colonel General, I don't really believe that the Russians will attack at all. It's all an enormous bluff. - Heinrich Himmler to Heinz Guderian, December 1944

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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat May 12, 2018 10:34 pm

During her "not getting into it one way or the other" session when asked about the issue, she insisted Dumpy wasn't getting enough credit. Which he deserves because "He comes to work every day,..." :|
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Postby TJrandom » Sun May 13, 2018 12:54 am

Every day? Except of course the 1/3 of the time at his various properties including 1/4th playing Golf.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun May 13, 2018 1:34 am

What she meant is the 45 minutes he carves out of his bizzy excretive time in front of the TV for the intelligence briefings twitter sessions. And the influential/fundraising lunches and dinners.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun May 13, 2018 1:38 am

Oh, and the phone marathons.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun May 13, 2018 4:05 am

Peoples/Voters understanding of the economy: 95% based on propaganda and political spin.

1. The stockmarket is not the economy.
2. Presidents have near zero impact on the economy.
3. Issues that do effect the economy (laws, tax policy, Congress) take years to have an effect. If you disagree, think specifically about why, then:
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SM's concern is totally valid though. FUD is the basis of the Republican party....and there is a solid base of 30% who believe nothing else. Its democracy....and why China is eating our cake.

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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Sun May 13, 2018 11:00 am

Especially for Jeffk, Garry Trudeau presents Mark Slackmeyer interviewing an Oklahoma student. Not his cleverest strip ever, by any means, but he makes a point.
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Postby Gord » Sun May 13, 2018 12:45 pm


One of them was probably Huckleberry Sanders herself.

The more they bluster whenever someone leaks something, the more I believe they were the ones doing the leaking.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun May 13, 2018 4:39 pm

Maybe they think it's only fair that the people who are paying their wages have a right to know what their money is buying? :-P
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun May 13, 2018 5:27 pm

Infrastructure/manufacture/agriculture week: If NK plays along, they'll send those who handed them enough cash over to create taxpayer funded "jobs" for themselves. Like that Texan catering business feeding starving Puero Ricans and that other one, who left them in the dark without a spark for big bucks.


Hey, if a barmaid and a wedding planner can hold important jobs in the Dumpian gubmint, why can't people of the same caliber enrich themselves rebuild a nation...
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Sun May 13, 2018 10:03 pm

We've been hearing a lot about this infamous quote these past few days, and the White House is going to punish whoever it was who let reporters know about it (but not, apparently, the person who said it). I will say, to his credit, Lindsay Graham has denounced it.

But I'm surprised we haven't seen a rerun of this infamous canard from 2011. Somebody is sure to bring it up. As scrmbldggs says, it's OK if you're a Republican, but it's wrong if you're a Democrat (even when "it" is obnoxious in the first case and innocuous in the second).

In politics, what's outrageous is a matter of whose ox is gored (or in the case of the 2000 election, whose Gore is axed).
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 14, 2018 5:15 am

McCain Irrelevant, 'He's Dying Anyway,' White House Official Reportedly Says.........//// In the main, its not true. AFAIK, he's not dying so fast so as to not have influence on the confirmation. Perhaps true for the 2018 midterms. Humor is like this, frustration is like this. The fact that the statement was leaked doesn't matter. What should control this discussion and does not is that the statement was ENTIRELY PRIVATE.

Only asshats will try to make something of it.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 14, 2018 5:21 am

“What difference at this point does it make?" /// Contra the above is this public statement by Hillary. It is totally subject to analysis and discussion. I agree totally with the link.

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Asshats stomping on pissant issues while the elephants roam free. Socrates rolls in his grave.
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon May 14, 2018 11:27 am

So, Romney is upset about the gala opening of the US Embassy in Jerusalem. He's not upset about the opening itself, only that the clergyman chosen to give the prayer (a man very much to Trump's liking, I'm sure) has shown himself to be a bigot. There's an old phrase about straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel...

Romney is mad because this guy regards Mormonism as a cult and says "being a Jew won't save you." Well, I agree with the first half of that, and I don't think being ANYTHING would "save" me in the sense intended. Nevertheless, this is a very hateful man, and I come down on Romney's side about this MINOR aspect of a MAJOR outrage.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon May 14, 2018 12:28 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:So, Romney is upset about the gala opening of the US Embassy in Jerusalem. He's not upset about the opening itself, only that the clergyman chosen to give the prayer (a man very much to Trump's liking, I'm sure) has shown himself to be a bigot. There's an old phrase about straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel...

Romney is mad because this guy regards Mormonism as a cult and says "being a Jew won't save you." Well, I agree with the first half of that, and I don't think being ANYTHING would "save" me in the sense intended. Nevertheless, this is a very hateful man, and I come down on Romney's side about this MINOR aspect of a MAJOR outrage.



No, this is not hypocritical at all:

“Evangelicals know they’re not compromising their beliefs in order to support this great president,” he told Fox News in March. “And let’s be clear, evangelicals still believe in the commandment ‘thou shalt not have sex with a porn star.’”

“However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him,” he said.


It’s the Donald the Thud way:
Pick someone who pissed people off in the past as long as their support is unconditional.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon May 14, 2018 4:02 pm

It's exactly what he appreciates about his newfound faith - the greedy, aggressive, condemning and hypocritical nature of it.
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Postby ElectricMonk » Mon May 14, 2018 4:13 pm

For many evangelicals, Jerusalem is about prophecy, not politics


The world is about to end, so you wouldn't want God to think you are soft on Mormons or Jews.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon May 14, 2018 4:20 pm

And since they know there is no god to bring it about, they hasten to manufacture the Apocalypse.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 14, 2018 4:24 pm

The riots and the news coverage is about the politics. The politics between the Palestinians and the Jews. Not the USA and its Evangelicals.....which while true...I don't see what the embassy has to do with it?

I took note on recent coverage on...msnbc?...that the Gaza Strip was identified as the most dense populated area on earth (that title applied to several areas....usually Hong Kong) which must vary depending on where and how they draw the lines, but they also noted they were "locked-in" or imprisoned (I forget the exact word but that was the idea) by Israel==>but then added the usually not mentioned EGYPT as well.

I pity those people....both sides. Same with asylum seekers at the USA's southern border. Puerto Rico. too much of Africa, India, Myanmar...etc. Ha, ha...... the entire Middle East. Life could be so much better, if we didn't fight about third level differences.............
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Postby ElectricMonk » Mon May 14, 2018 4:41 pm

All Arab nations at best pity the Palestinians, though disgust is closer to the norm. The EU and the US have been better allies to them than most of their brethren in faith, which mostly send guns.
With the US blatantly taking the side of Israel on the question of Jerusalem, there is little reason for Palestinians not to despair.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 14, 2018 4:51 pm

pity: A feeling of sympathy and sorrow for the misfortunes of others

disgust: Strong feelings of dislike

Hmmm...perhaps its a feeling of "strong pity" that is required before you will help other groups of people?

Ahhhh.....the word used was "blockaded." There is something odious about any blockade of Gaza from the sea....I suppose what is meant is that arriving ships are inspected for weapons of war?.........but I think basic things like medicine and food are intercepted as well?? I hope THAT is a rare occasion and mostly propaganda?

What is the spark missing that would propel the Palestinians into making something more/better of their lives in the Gaza itself? They are well educated, I've heard said. Must be money? No "natural" source of wealth to build a vibrant society? Or have they done this 3-4-5 times only to be slapped down by the powers that be that want to keep them that way?

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon May 14, 2018 4:57 pm

This blood is on Trump’s tiny little hands.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/jerusalem-embassy-gaza-protests/index.html

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“Today I saw one of those places, saw it in all of its horror, all its filth, all its death.”
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 14, 2018 5:22 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:This blood is on Trump’s tiny little hands.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/jerusalem-embassy-gaza-protests/index.html

I can’t properly express my disgust.

The Palestinians protest/riot/revolt and are shot by Israelis......so the blood is on Trump???

What is your disgust based on? Other than not moving the embassy........? You know....let people outside your own country control how you manage your own affairs?===>who on this Earth does that?
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Under the surface of the swamp of oath breakers.
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This is cute, “It’s like tweeting after a couple of beers. It’s not going to end well.”:

While the Administration wrestled the civil service into submission, it began introducing Washington to Trump’s “best and most serious people.” He had four thousand jobs to fill...

To vet candidates, the Obama campaign had used a questionnaire with sixty-three queries about employment, finances, writings, and social-media posts. The Trump team cut the number of questions to twenty-five, by dropping the requests for professional references and tax returns and removing items concerning loans, personal income, and real-estate holdings. The questionnaire was speckled with typos...

The vetting was led by Donald F. McGahn II, the White House counsel...According to one lawyer, the transition sought “work-arounds”—ways that incoming officials could retain investments without breaking the laws against conflicts of interest...

Republican think tanks and donors succeeded in installing preferred nominees. The earliest wave arrived from the Heritage Foundation; subsequent ones came from Charles and David Koch’s network of conservative advocacy groups and from the American Enterprise Institute.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon May 14, 2018 7:24 pm

Besides the seemingly odd occurrence that Manafort pushed Pence into the game, Mikey's also one of the Koch's pets, most likely with his hand deeply in their pockets.
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“...if you’re not a tool of the most high-powered lobbyists in Washington or following orders, then they really don’t want you around.”


Seems they're also required to “deliberately avoiding creating records.”
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Postby ElectricMonk » Mon May 14, 2018 8:33 pm

Melania is undergoing kidney surgery:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/14/poli ... index.html

My first thought was overdose of something, but I might be totally wrong.
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon May 14, 2018 8:36 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:This blood is on Trump’s tiny little hands.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/jerusalem-embassy-gaza-protests/index.html

I can’t properly express my disgust.


Nor can I. Trump is prepared to wade in Palestinian blood (in fact, it's his favorite walking surface) forever, and nobody appears willing to do damn-all to stop him. Of course, getting the price of oil up has made Trump immensely popular with the Saudis, and if they can keep the Iranians from cashing in on it, the Putin-Trump Axis of Evil will have TriUMPhed again. Ordinary working people in the US and Europe will now be paying to make wealthy autocrats in the US, Russia, and Saudi Arabia even more filthy rich than they already are. The increased revenue probably decreases the likelihood of my favorite pipe dream: a palace revolution in Riyadh.
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon May 14, 2018 8:38 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:Melania is undergoing kidney surgery:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/14/poli ... index.html

My first thought was overdose of something, but I might be totally wrong.


Well, that's a shock. I truly wish her well. She's the least obnoxious and the only almost-likable member of the family.

Totally off-topic: Margot Kidder died today. (Lois Lane from the first Superman movie, if you've forgotten. She had some rough times that Christopher Reeve helped her through, before he got paralyzed in a fall from a horse. She was 69.)
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 14, 2018 8:44 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:Trump is prepared to wade in Palestinian blood (in fact, it's his favorite walking surface) ......... The increased revenue probably decreases the likelihood of my favorite pipe dream: a palace revolution in Riyadh.

If it rains tomorrow....is Trump responsible? Please connect the dots that makes Trump responsible for Israel shooting rioting Palestinians.............

As to the palace revolution.......I thought the most "serious" block against the new King was the Old More Conservative clique of Imams. Seems to me, and I'm just guessing, in a vacuum, any revolting new King would be even worse. Blood spilled once again......can you state why one instance is good and the other bad?
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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon May 14, 2018 9:02 pm

Hare. If this infyurinates you.


Maybe they got a bad rap unfairly. Maybe all those poorly written Tea Party signs were done by foriegn agends also? (haha :afdb:)
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon May 14, 2018 9:49 pm

What I've been thinking, and more, about the Jerusalem ceremony today is nicely covered in this story in The Nation. The peace process wasn't actually making any progress, but at least it was preventing a major outbreak of violence. How do we get THAT genie back in the bottle?
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby JO 753 » Mon May 14, 2018 10:07 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Please connect the dots that makes Trump responsible for Israel shooting rioting Palestinians....


Not sure if Upton iz going to ansr you, so - obviously, if there wuz no foolish embassy move, there woudnt be a protest. Furthermore, maybe Nitwitnyahoo mite not be so ready to go ballistic if hiz buddy Trump wuznt Prezident.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 14, 2018 10:07 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:What I've been thinking, and more, about the Jerusalem ceremony today is nicely covered in this story in The Nation. The peace process wasn't actually making any progress, but at least it was preventing a major outbreak of violence. How do we get THAT genie back in the bottle?

What genie is that? Last I heard, the current death toll is around 70 for the last week? Not "major" given the history?

Some lines in the typical pro-Palestinian link stood out to me:

1. "It (Israel) is an apartheid regime in which there are two separate and unequal systems of law and governance based on religion." /// That is correct: the religion of the Palestinians who want to kill all the jews and abolish the State of Israel.

2. "Seventy years after the mass expulsion of Palestinians during Israel’s establishment, Palestinians continue to resist Israel’s attempts to dispossess them and to deny our right to return to lands we were driven from." //// yep, that is a key problem...... the "right of return" that has never been the case with any other defeated enemy. Why should Israel be expected to cut its own throat?

Given the reality on the ground, the link only expresses why there will never be peace and Israel has an existential choice to make.

Moving the embassy to Jerusalem will not "help peace" in the short term.....but it might move along to that resolution IF the Palestinians would recognize that the longer they wait to make peace, the less they will get. Holding on to get everything they want, ..........isn't working out for them. The link is pretty clear that for the author peace means the death of Israel.

Good luck with that.
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