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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by JO 753 » Fri May 11, 2018 7:16 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:swamp critters #1: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/05/1 ... d-the-rnc/
There iz a mountain uv evidens to support the conclusion that the Republican party iz The Bad Guy. There iznt 1 area uv bad behavior in wich they dont hav an insurmountable lead over the Democratic party.

Broidy iz another example showing that a history uv hi level criminal andor immoral activity iz a favorable atribute for potential leadership pozitionz in the GoP.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri May 11, 2018 7:22 pm

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri May 11, 2018 7:28 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Since Gord might be busy resetting passwords atm... I think "effect" would work better in that sentence. :-P
Rats. I actually thought about it. I blame the homebrew. Unless it gets too tedious, please don't miss a one of them....less the typos.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri May 11, 2018 8:31 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:...Can't confirm which one of them continued to make payments expressly because they were afraid that stopping payments would upset the Chiseler in Chief. Ha, ha....probably true even if Trump has nothing to do with it???
Perhaps. I think that was Novartis, but also am wondering if none of them tried to get out of any contracts because that might have eventually attracted public attention?
Campaign Contributions, Pay to Play==legal in the USA. This still looks like an "attempted" fraud on Cohens part. (Claiming expertise or access you don't have?) Add Fraud in the Inducement to his laundry list. All part of leverage.
Would hiding an attempted pay to play also be legal? (Also, Cohen apparently still advertises himself as "President Donald Trump's personal attorney" even after the federal raid. If it's still however weirdly true - and it was seemingly confirmed on AF-1 in April - at least that was no fraud. Back then...)
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri May 11, 2018 9:25 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:...Can't confirm which one of them continued to make payments expressly because they were afraid that stopping payments would upset the Chiseler in Chief. Ha, ha....probably true even if Trump has nothing to do with it???
Perhaps. I think that was Novartis, but also am wondering if none of them tried to get out of any contracts because that might have eventually attracted public attention?
Call me banal, but I think everything is a mix of things. So...anything you think might apply.....probably does, so some degree or another. So to our list of not wanting to upset the Chisler, we have keeping one's cards close to one's chest, not wanting the public or competitors to know what is going on, we can also ad: still hoping to get access to Trump somehow someway?....and lots of others.



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Campaign Contributions, Pay to Play==legal in the USA. This still looks like an "attempted" fraud on Cohens part. (Claiming expertise or access you don't have?) Add Fraud in the Inducement to his laundry list. All part of leverage.
Would hiding an attempted pay to play also be legal? (Also, Cohen apparently still advertises himself as "President Donald Trump's personal attorney" even after the federal raid. If it's still however weirdly true - and it was seemingly confirmed on AF-1 in April - at least that was no fraud. Back then...)
As I understand it, Pay to Play is legal at the first step of the Kabuki Dance AND can stay legal all the way.....it just gets you on the dance floor. That being true in our corrupt system, I think there could not be an associated illegal "attempt" action....but my comment was that there could be an action if Cohen actually didn't have any "insights" into Trump....or could not actually get a client into a meeting with Trump. But that would air dirty laundry as we have agreed.

I don't know whether or not you can sell access to the President with no guarantee of any outcome. I can make a logical argument either way, but "legally" I don't know.

Sadly.....I don't know everything.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 11, 2018 10:21 pm

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 11, 2018 10:25 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:am wondering if none of them tried to get out of any contracts because that might have eventually attracted public attention?
I rather think that they didn't want to upset the fixer and his boss: once you buy in, you're in. Getting out would cause the purchaser grief.
scrmbldggs wrote:Would hiding an attempted pay to play also be legal?
The Supreme Court in its wisdom ruled, 8-0, that pay to play is legal. The illegality comes in when you pay for a specific favor, a quid pro quo. As to hiding the pay to play, I'd guess it depends how: I don't think the hiding is illegal - bribing or blackmailing or threatening or some such to hide would be.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 11, 2018 11:03 pm

Sarah Sanders on the AT&T pay-to-play scheme which the company worked through Michael Cohen: “I think that this further proves that the President is not going to be influenced by special interests. This is actually the definition of draining the swamp, something the President talked about repeatedly during the campaign.”

As to Mr Cohen supposedly being Trump's lawyer, these operations of his - with Novartis, AT&T, and so on - were pitched not as legal activities or lawyering but as consulting services. Where's the attorney-client privilege in this? You know, the privilege that Trump wailed about, saying that of the investigation of Cohen that “It’s a real disgrace. It’s an attack on our country in a true sense. It’s an attack on what we all stand for.” And whining that the raid on Cohen means that “Attorney–client privilege is dead.”
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 11, 2018 11:13 pm

“embarrassed” is now a synonym for “distracted,” I see, according to the lying piece of {!#%@} John Kelly
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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri May 11, 2018 11:15 pm

Is this distracting: "One month after Michael Cohen was hired, the CEO of AT&T" met with "FCC chairman Pai in Barcelona" (as seen on teevee [Ari Melber] but the link to it won't work)?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 11, 2018 11:31 pm

Ayatollah humor?

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Post by Balmoral95 » Fri May 11, 2018 11:42 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Ayatollah humor?

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Maybe... or pissy porn???

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 11, 2018 11:53 pm

ROFL
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat May 12, 2018 1:45 am

Ya think Cohen also approached Bezos? :-P
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 12, 2018 3:40 am

Let's look at John Kelly's racist unfounded bigoted statement?

1. The vast majority of the people that move illegally into the United States are not bad people. /// I agree. Not racist.

2. They’re not criminals./// I agree. Not racist.

3. They’re not MS-13. /// I agree. Not racist.

4. Some of them are not. //// ?

5. But they’re also not people that would easily assimilate into the United States into our modern society. //// I agree. Not racist.

6. They’re overwhelmingly rural people in the countries they come from — fourth, fifth, sixth grade educations are kind of the norm. They don’t speak English, obviously that’s a big thing. They don’t speak English. They don’t integrate well, they don’t have skills. //// I agree. Not racist.

7. They’re not bad people. They’re coming here for a reason. And I sympathize with the reason. //// I agree. Not racist.

8. But the laws are the laws. /// I agree. But mostly racist.

9. But a big name of the game is deterrence. /// I agree. Not racist.

Most common response: "We are all immigrants...." /// I agree. Circumstances change over time. Silly to think in terms of the past rather than what the future demands.

For the quick skimmers: one of the above is different from the rest......and based on history.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Sat May 12, 2018 4:42 am

The only person here who doesn't "quick skim" your shite is your pal Eggs...

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Balmoral95 wrote:The only person here who doesn't "quick skim" your shite is your pal Eggs...
Exactly. Two in a row you picked up on the obvious. Its a start.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 12, 2018 5:32 am

I was going to let it go, or sit and ripen, but I've got nothing to do for 15 minutes.

ad hominem: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. /// The HD crowd here is severely infected with this malaise. Its a choice.

Social Identity Theory: a person's sense of who they are based on their group membership(s). /// More infection leading to all the ills of false "us vs them" ideologies. The HD crowd here is severely infected with this malaise. Its a choice.

So....its not enough that bobbo is attacked because he had a minor dispute with SM that went off the rails and neither party pulled back from it. in that dispute....I was trying to make a point that was "off center" and not the point SM wanted to discuss. I knew that, but continued. My bad. Too bad because SM is an excellent reviewer. Strong enough I would think to disagree with people and simply pat them on the head?

But group dynamics is a power thing. Something every HD reviewer should be fully steeped in and avoid?

There is a line. bobbo accepts all abuse because it doesn't bother me...for the reasons stated. That is why after any abuse whatsoever, I can welcome a good argument: the good argument regardless of the ad hominem source, makes me a better person. The line: calling anyone else on the forum: My pal. Thats truly odious.

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I was going to let it go, or sit and ripen, but I've got nothing to do for 15 minutes.

ad hominem: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. /// The HD crowd here is severely infected with this malaise. Its a choice.

Social Identity Theory: a person's sense of who they are based on their group membership(s). /// More infection leading to all the ills of false "us vs them" ideologies. The HD crowd here is severely infected with this malaise. Its a choice.

So....its not enough that bobbo is attacked because he had a minor dispute with SM that went off the rails and neither party pulled back from it. in that dispute....I was trying to make a point that was "off center" and not the point SM wanted to discuss. I knew that, but continued. My bad. Too bad because SM is an excellent reviewer. Strong enough I would think to disagree with people and simply pat them on the head?

But group dynamics is a power thing. Something every HD reviewer should be fully steeped in and avoid?

There is a line. bobbo accepts all abuse because it doesn't bother me...for the reasons stated. That is why after any abuse whatsoever, I can welcome a good argument: the good argument regardless of the ad hominem source, makes me a better person. The line: calling anyone else on the forum: My pal. Thats truly odious.

Mind the gap.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 12, 2018 6:44 am

Hmmmm.... no, thats not it. But as stated: two is still good. Keep working on it.
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scrmbldggs wrote:Since Gord might be busy resetting passwords atm... I think "effect" would work better in that sentence. :-P
https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/cho ... ct-effect/

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Basically an effect is a thing that affects something else. Basically.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 12, 2018 8:47 am

What I was thinking was that the Effect of the new lawyer would be to change the affect of Trumps behavior. We lose brain cells with each HCider drank....and I'm sure each brain cell holds 2-3 words. Its not pretty. I don't know what pluperfect means.....so it might be "drinken?"
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat May 12, 2018 11:02 am

In the usual double-speak of a CEO, "I take full responsibility for this. To prove it, I'm firing our chief lobbyist." Reminds me so much of Nixon saying he "accepted full responsibility for the break-in at the Watergate Hotel, while neglecting (as William F. Buckley pointed out at the time) to spell out what punishments he was accepting along with the responsibility.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:swamp critters #1: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/05/1 ... d-the-rnc/
There iz a mountain uv evidens to support the conclusion that the Republican party iz The Bad Guy. There iznt 1 area uv bad behavior in wich they dont hav an insurmountable lead over the Democratic party.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 11:36 am

In fairness, the Republicans had help botching Reconstruction, and there was a Republican faction (Thaddeus Stevens, Charles Sumner, et al) which was better during Reconstruction - but, yeah, as you wrote, and you didn't even mention Nixon and Reagan, W and WMDs and Iraq :)
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 12, 2018 11:37 am

The party of greed, racism, and fanatical nationalism has done well over time and all over the world.

They all meet once a year informally with more deniability as the G-8 but more intently as the Bilderberg Group. Surprising actually, they come that far out into the light. I assume the real damage is done individually or in changing cabals of 3-4 people as the subject interests.

Its the: already too rich, but want more group.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 11:59 am

So there have been - widely expressed - concerns that Bloatus took the unusual step to intervene in the ATT-Time Warner merger, to block it on political grounds.

Normally, such merger activity falls in the province of the DOJ, not the White House, and would not be subject to political pressure. In fact, Kellyanne Conway last year dismissed the widely expressed concerns, telling the media that the WH would not be involved in decisions on the merger, an assurance seconded by DOJ officials who have said that the DOJ action would be independent of the WH and strictly non-political.

Now comes Rudy Giuliani to let the cat out of the bag - and further screw Michael Cohen in the process. Says Rudy: "The president denied the merger," the one which the WH and DOJ has said the president isn't involved in. "He did drain the swamp. . . .The president denied the merger. They didn't get the result they wanted."

And Rudy added, "Whatever lobbying was done didn't reach the president," speaking about Michael Cohen's deals with ATT (and Novartis) which all parties positioned, for legal reasons, as consulting, not lobbying, deals. Now Rudy tells us that Cohen was after all lobbying.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 12, 2018 12:06 pm

If Trump has the attention span, I'd be concerned the first denial was just a set up for additional $$. Its a constant used trick to bump up the contributions.

Rudy said "Whatever lobbying was done ...' which includes no lobbying at all.....consistent with all the hard evidence/statements we have so far. We can all hope Mueller has emails or wiretaps that show otherwise.....but they aren't part of the record yet.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 12:17 pm

woke up with an ear worm (good style) this morning, one which has a pretty decent link between this thread and themes of the HD subforum, not that the imminent congressional approval of US torture has gotten me upset:

[bbvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=081bSYPvsoQ[/bbvideo]
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:am wondering if none of them tried to get out of any contracts because that might have eventually attracted public attention?
I rather think that they didn't want to upset the fixer and his boss: once you buy in, you're in. Getting out would cause the purchaser grief.
scrmbldggs wrote:Would hiding an attempted pay to play also be legal?
The Supreme Court in its wisdom ruled, 8-0, that pay to play is legal. The illegality comes in when you pay for a specific favor, a quid pro quo. As to hiding the pay to play, I'd guess it depends how: I don't think the hiding is illegal - bribing or blackmailing or threatening or some such to hide would be.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 12, 2018 12:56 pm

Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Since Gord might be busy resetting passwords atm... I think "effect" would work better in that sentence. :-P
https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/cho ... ct-effect/

http://www.grammar-quizzes.com/affect-effect.html

Basically an effect is a thing that affects something else. Basically.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 2:49 pm

the 2nd of the band of out-and-out Republican types (Joe Donnelly, Joe Manchin, John Tester, Heidi Heitkamp, arguably Mark Warner and Doug Jones) who sit in the Senate as Democrats, Joe Donnelly, says he will join Joe Manchin in voting yes for torture, that gives Haspel enough for confirmation (I think)
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by ElectricMonk » Sat May 12, 2018 5:11 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:woke up with an ear worm (good style) this morning, one which has a pretty decent link between this thread and themes of the HD subforum, not that the imminent congressional approval of US torture has gotten me upset:

[bbvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=081bSYPvsoQ[/bbvideo]

from The Muppets:

Ms.Piggy: My entire body's in pain, okay? My prep began weeks ago with head-to-toe chemical peels... Weeks, yes. ... eyebrow freezing, and waterboarding.
Kermit: Waterboarding?
Ms.Piggy: Yes, Goop recommended it. I tell my waterboardist everything.

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 5:13 pm

I do wonder whether Rudy Giuliani remembers that the feds seized tanto stuff from Michael Cohen - tanto stuff that most probably can show what really passed between Cohen and Bloatus.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 5:13 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:Ms.Piggy: Yes, Goop recommended it. I tell my waterboardist everything.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 12, 2018 5:17 pm

I like this Rudy bloke: he's doing more damage control than defense of the big kahuna. Rudy smashes {!#%@} up, the clean-up crew tries putting it back together, they can't, the whole outfit - from the boss of bosses down to the lowliest foot soldier - winds up looking like idiots: "Giuliani says Trump 'denied' the AT&T-Time Warner deal, then backtracks ". It's a friggin' spectacle.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat May 12, 2018 6:01 pm

It's the name of the game - bombard and confuse 'em until brainfry. :nuts:
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat May 12, 2018 7:51 pm

This is why Oklahoma can’t have nice things:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

Apparently someone’s sexuality is more important than finding a child a loving home.

OTOH:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatod ... /604716002

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat May 12, 2018 9:44 pm

This thread looks more and more like the reprise of the Holocaust itself. Still early days, thank God. The parallels may possibly cease.
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