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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:22 pm

So, here’s a running total:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/trump-departures-white-house/index.html

Nothing to see, there’s no chaos here.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:10 pm

Whoops, these appointments now require 51 votes, right? Which means the Dems can't block successfully unless a Rand Paul and one or two more GOPers defect.

Reuters on Ms Haspel: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1GP2C1
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:13 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Hey, some diversity.....with a caveat:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/who-is-gina-haspel/index.html

She participated in destroying evidence of torture. Sounds like Trump’s kinda person.

...and her taking that job in this administration might lead to the destruction of evidence of her long career...
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:20 pm

Russian embassy in London reacts to PM May's demand for answers in the Skripal poisonings: "Any threat to take 'punitive' measures against Russia will meet with a response. The British side should be aware of that." And a note that the UK demands are a "clear provocation."
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Postby Poodle » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:50 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Russian embassy in London reacts to PM May's demand for answers in the Skripal poisonings: "Any threat to take 'punitive' measures against Russia will meet with a response. The British side should be aware of that." And a note that the UK demands are a "clear provocation."

It's difficult to see this as a serious threat. Russia is 24th/25th on the list of UK imports/exports - not exactly an earth-moving deal. And I'm sure that it couldn't be a threat of overt cyber interference as Russia has already said they don't do that kind of thing. NATO needn't go on full alert quite yet.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:04 pm

A positive:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/outside-spending-pa-18/index.html

The fact that outside groups are pouring money into Saccone‘s coffers shows the concern about losing this seat, among others. If Lamb wins it will show that all this money means nothing.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Russian embassy in London reacts to PM May's demand for answers in the Skripal poisonings: "Any threat to take 'punitive' measures against Russia will meet with a response. The British side should be aware of that." And a note that the UK demands are a "clear provocation."

It's difficult to see this as a serious threat. Russia is 24th/25th on the list of UK imports/exports - not exactly an earth-moving deal. And I'm sure that it couldn't be a threat of overt cyber interference as Russia has already said they don't do that kind of thing. NATO needn't go on full alert quite yet.

judging from what's coming out from Russia, they don't seem to be very rattled; but there's always the devastating blow of the UK's football team boycotting the World Cup
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:A positive:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/outside-spending-pa-18/index.html

The fact that outside groups are pouring money into Saccone‘s coffers shows the concern about losing this seat, among others. If Lamb wins it will show that all this money means nothing.

this one really matters, I think, and, no matter what pundits are saying, this isn't horseshoes or hand grenades
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Russian embassy in London reacts to PM May's demand for answers in the Skripal poisonings: "Any threat to take 'punitive' measures against Russia will meet with a response. The British side should be aware of that." And a note that the UK demands are a "clear provocation."

It's difficult to see this as a serious threat. Russia is 24th/25th on the list of UK imports/exports - not exactly an earth-moving deal. And I'm sure that it couldn't be a threat of overt cyber interference as Russia has already said they don't do that kind of thing. NATO needn't go on full alert quite yet.

judging from what's coming out from Russia, they don't seem to be very rattled; but there's always the devastating blow of the UK's football team boycotting the World Cup

True - but that's a deadly serious threat which should be used only upon complete failure of diplomacy and imminent invasion of the UK.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:37 pm

probably best kept to prevent the imminent End of Everything, as you say
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:40 pm

Poodle wrote: It's difficult to see this as a serious threat. Russia is 24th/25th on the list of UK imports/exports - not exactly an earth-moving deal. .
The UK Home Office threat is to freeze assets of specific Russian Oligarchs who own property in the UK. However, it's murky how they will judicially chose one oligarch over another.

Why did the Russians do this? I haven't got a clue. It still doesn't make any sense. One unsupported claim was the Russian bloke was still working for the Brits in some capacity. That doesn't seem right. He was a GRU officer who identified photos of potential spies to the Brits, and not an intelligence officer himself.

Perhaps the Russians wan't to pick a public fight with the UK.....but why? If the Russians wanted to drive a larger wedge between the UK and Europe, then this still doesn't make any sense. It would do the opposite.

Perhaps the Brits did something on Russian soil, that we don't know about, and this is a retaliation, but even that makes no sense.

I'm fascinated by this story to see what actually happened.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:56 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:Perhaps the Russians wan't to pick a public fight with the UK.....but why? If the Russians wanted to drive a larger wedge between the UK and Europe, then this still doesn't make any sense. It would do the opposite.

That's WaPo's view: exploit UK's post-Brexit isolation, demonstrate that UK has alienated its closest allies, play on Trump's inability/unwillingness to react as US would have in past - "If the point was to expose British isolation, it has succeeded: There is no obvious, fast response that the United Kingdom can make, by itself, that really damages Putin."
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:13 pm

according to The Onion's reporting, one American asked about the poisoning in Salisbury UK, Glen Frahm, told them, “So what? We were attacked by Russia, too, but you don’t see us doing anything about it.”
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:20 pm

gotta say, never could have predicted anything like this: "TWP chief Matthew Heimbach arrested, top spokesman quits" :
Matthew Heimbach, the leader of the Traditionalist Worker Party, is free on bond after being charged with strangulation and battery in southern Indiana. . . .

Details of what led to Heimbach’s arrest on felony charges were not immediately available, though a representative of the Orange County Sheriff's Department confirmed they were related to domestic battery and strangulation. Online court records show the charges were filed Tuesday in Paoli, Indiana, about an hour northwest of Louisville, Kentucky.

A violent Nazi-wannabe? Go figure.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:48 pm

Gotta build that wall:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-trump-border-20180313-story,amp.html

Trump says if we don’t build that wall we won’t have a country.

I wanted to see the prototypes but the video didn’t show them.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:58 pm

Hey!!! A space force, that is so cool!!!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/03/13/trump-floats-the-idea-of-creating-a-space-force-to-fight-wars-in-space.html

Here are some possible prototypes I hope Trump considers:

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:Gotta build that wall:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-trump-border-20180313-story,amp.html

Trump says if we don’t build that wall we won’t have a country.

I wanted to see the prototypes but the video didn’t show them.


He needs "prototypes" of concrete slabs? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:03 pm

LOL maybe the winning slab can lead his big parade . . .
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:05 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Gotta build that wall:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-trump-border-20180313-story,amp.html

Trump says if we don’t build that wall we won’t have a country.

I wanted to see the prototypes but the video didn’t show them.


He needs "prototypes" of concrete slabs? :lol: :lol: :lol:


LOL, hey, don’t knock’em, we (as in the taxpayers, i.e. you and me) spent 20 million dollars developing those concrete slabs.

Ah, here we go:
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None of these are see through. Per Trump, a cartel member can stand behind one and you can’t see them.
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“Today I saw one of those places, saw it in all of its horror, all its filth, all its death.”
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:...
Ah, here we go:
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None of these are see through. Per Trump, a cartel member can stand behind one and you can’t see them.

I see similar thoughts in the face of the lady behind that massive... Bluff.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:28 pm

Mike Conaway on his announcement yesterday of the majority's House Intelligence committee draft report (from Mike Memoli tweet):
Mike Conaway also says he misspoke when he told reporters at least twice Monday that he believed Russia actually tried to HELP Clinton.

"Nothing that they did remotely helped Hillary Clinton."

(from Betsy Woodruff tweet)
Rep. Michael Conaway, heading the HPSCI Trump/Russia probe, said their report actually leaves open the possibility that Russia wanted Trump to win

Trey Gowdy (committee member): it is
clear, based on the evidence, Russia had disdain for Secretary Clinton and was motivated in whole or in part by a desire to harm her candidacy or undermine her Presidency had she prevailed.

These {!#%@} clowns can't even spin their deceit for 24 hours.
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:30 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:10. Jim Mattis - "suicide pact" with Tillerson and Kelly; otherwise apparently in good standing


Hmm, yes the three were seen dining out together last week in an apparent show of solildarity. Has Trump managed to triangulate this triangle?

At least, I now understand why Rex T didn't say anything about the NK summit. He didn't know about it.

But this isn't chaos....
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:33 pm

Seems Kelly also warned him about an "upcoming tweet" that triggered his early departure(s) - otherwise he might have been stranded out in Africa...
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:34 pm

Schiff report on status of House Intelligence Committee investigation: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ ... epublicans
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:35 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Seems Kelly also warned him about an "upcoming tweet" that triggered his early departure(s) - otherwise he might have been stranded out in Africa...

once again, Kelly's narrative of events is not holding up
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Seems Kelly also warned him about an "upcoming tweet" that triggered his early departure(s) - otherwise he might have been stranded out in Africa...

once again, Kelly's narrative of events is not holding up

Dunno what he is saying. I heard on some news show that the middle of the night call to Tillerson was Kelly giving him a heads up. Seems he was destined for a "Comey moment"...
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:45 pm

Yes, he claims that he give Tillerson heads up over the weekend . . . but reporters say that Tillerson was "ebullient" about his long-term DOS activities and agenda (Andrea Mitchell) and find it impossible to square Kelly's account with what they observed on the trip - Mitchell said, in an understated way, that Kelly is known to have difficulty explaining these things (translation: Mitchell thinks Kelly is lying through his teeth again)
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Yes, he claims that he give Tillerson heads up over the weekend . . . but reporters say that Tillerson was "ebullient" about his long-term DOS activities and agenda (Andrea Mitchell) and find it impossible to square Kelly's account with what they observed on the trip - Mitchell said, in an understated way, that Kelly is known to have difficulty explaining these things (translation: Mitchell thinks Kelly is lying through his teeth again)


Should anyone believe Kelly? No. That said, I've counted 4 different versions of this. :roll:

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:53 pm

Whichever version is correct (and it will most likely not be Kelly's), you have to agree that Trump's informing Tillerson by tweet announcing the change is the way to go. Far better than face to face.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Whichever version is correct (and it will most likely not be Kelly's), you have to agree that Trump's informing Tillerson by tweet announcing the change is the way to go. Far better than face to face.


Dunno, I've never been fired :mrgreen:

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:30 am

LOL I have had to fire so many people through the years. I never realized you could just tweet it, so I always sat down with the person I was letting go.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:LOL I have had to fire so many people through the years. I never realized you could just tweet it, so I always sat down with the person I was letting go.


Which is the right way to do it, all kidding aside. Speaks to DJT's fundamental insecurity regarding perception had he done it personally....

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:39 am

Indeed. The other aspect is kind of easy: start with - if your boss was going to fire you, how would you want him or her to handle it. But to Trump it's a humiliation exercise/threat to those remaining.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:40 am

meagre early returns: NYT moves from toss-up to Lamb 52% chance of winning
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Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:42 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Indeed. The other aspect is kind of easy: start with - if your boss was going to fire you, how would you want him or her to handle it. But to Trump it's a humiliation exercise/threat to those remaining.


Until they also start informing him over a public service. :-P
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:49 am

early balloting is from heavily Dem Allegheny Cty - so despite early margin in favor of Lamb, NY Times is projecting Lamb 52% chance of winning and margin of just 0.4% (five minutes ago, Times had it tossup)
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Balmoral95 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:54 am


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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:56 am

back to tossup with small advantage to Saccone ugh
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